Victor Gyökeres

Isak is not gettable. They’d ask for £120m+ from anyone imo, and Newcastle wouldn’t sell us a virus after the Ashworth debacle, despite how poorly that worked out for us. 3 years left on Isak’s contract I believe.
 
70/80 million really doesn’t get you much striker these days does it? Oshimen, Darwin, Rasmus, this fella? The competition for the next top striker is so fierce that clubs are gambling more and more cash on finding a longish term fix. Mad that Haaland was available for so little leaving Norway and Austria. I think someone like Alvarez would have been great here and he was very cheap. I think we need to stop paying these massive fees as if it’s a given the player is going to come good and just improve our scouting. I like Rasmus a lot and I think he has top class tools for this league but someone fast and skilful who can make chances for themselves would be a welcome addition
 
The strategy should be 60% academy and cheap talented players, 20% free signings and 20% elite-signings. So a club should think twice if he signs someone for 50+ millions. Thinking twice about Gyökeres would be a good start. I do not think that his type of striker is our missing link.
 
If we had any sense we would have gone all out for Guirassy last summer instead of Zirkzee.

Would have cost £15m less, and would save us thinking about spending another £60m on a striker this coming summer too. Would have been perfect foil for Hojlund and would suit Amorims system to a tee.

Whether we didn’t go for him or couldn’t convince him to join us over Dortmund, either way he would have saved us £75m in transfer fees.
 
daba said:
If we had any sense we would have gone all out for Guirassy last summer instead of Zirkzee.

Would have cost £15m less, and would save us thinking about spending another £60m on a striker this coming summer too. Would have been perfect foil for Hojlund and would suit Amorims system to a tee.

Whether we didn’t go for him or couldn’t convince him to join us over Dortmund, either way he would have saved us £75m in transfer fees.
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The club didn't have Amorim as the manager at that point though unfortunately.
 
Resch said:
The strategy should be 60% academy and cheap talented players, 20% free signings and 20% elite-signings. So a club should think twice if he signs someone for 50+ millions. Thinking twice about Gyökeres would be a good start. I do not think that his type of striker is our missing link.
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No striker is the missing link to this team, most of the players are not good enough and only signing the right striker is not going to transform this team.
 
Since Amorim left Sporting:

0 goal contributions vs Arsenal in 90 minutes in the Champions League

0 goal contributions vs Brugge in 90 minutes in the Champions League

0 goal contributions vs Santa Clara in 90 minutes in the Portuguese league

1 goal vs Moreirense in 90 minutes in the Portuguese league: came from a penalty

1 goal, 1 assist vs Boavista in 90 minutes in the Portuguese league: the goal came from a misplaced backpass to the keeper which he intercepted, and the assist came from a deflected cross from next to the touchline to Trincao

1 goal vs Amarante in 24 minutes in the Portuguese cup: came from a penalty

1 goal vs Santa Clara in 120 minutes in the Portuguese cup: Another intercepted backpass to the keeper.

2 non-pen goals in 594 minutes since Amorim's departure but both came from backpasses he intercepted from the opposition CBs, so not the type of goal he will regularly score. The other two were pens and if I want to be harsh, his assist shouldn't have been an assist either. And all this was against way weaker opposition than what he will play against every week in a top 5 league.

It's a small sample size but I'll maintain my opinion that the club that pulls the trigger on this guy next summer will be making a mistake. Too reliant on scoring from transitions, and playing for a CL level club against weak opposition every week, for me.

Top clubs will need someone that can regularly score against low blocks in a stronger league than Portugal, especially in the Premier League's case, and to be able to dominate the opposition box and not be anonymous when everything isn't going perfectly. Gyökeres hasn't shown that he's the man for this job IMO.
 
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Maybe he is good but I would really rather our manager show some ability to think of new ideas for our team going forward, rather than have to depend on his tried and trusted old boys all the time.
 
spiriticon said:
Maybe he is good but I would really rather our manager show some ability to think of new ideas for our team going forward, rather than have to depend on his tried and trusted old boys all the time.
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There’s a few names I wouldn’t mind us going for. Isak, Duran, Gyokeres.
 
Rojofiam said:
Since Amorim left Sporting:

0 goal contributions vs Arsenal in 90 minutes in the Champions League

0 goal contributions vs Brugge in 90 minutes in the Champions League

0 goal contributions vs Santa Clara in 90 minutes in the Portuguese league

1 goal vs Moreirense in 90 minutes in the Portuguese league: came from a penalty

1 goal, 1 assist vs Boavista in 90 minutes in the Portuguese league: the goal came from a misplaced backpass to the keeper which he intercepted, and the assist came from a deflected cross from next to the touchline to Trincao

1 goal vs Amarante in 24 minutes in the Portuguese cup: came from a penalty

1 goal vs Santa Clara in 120 minutes in the Portuguese cup: Another intercepted backpass to the keeper.

2 non-pen goals in 594 minutes since Amorim's departure but both came from backpasses he intercepted from the opposition CBs, so not the type of goal he will regularly score. The other two were pens and if I want to be harsh, his assist shouldn't have been an assist either. And it was against way weaker opposition than what he will play against every week in a top 5 league.

It's a small sample size but I'll maintain my opinion that the club that pulls the triggers on this guy next summer will be making a mistake. Too reliant on scoring from transitions, and playing for a CL level club against weak opposition every week, for me.

Top clubs will need someone that can regularly score against low blocks in a stronger league than Portugal, especially in the Premier League's case, and to be able to dominate the opposition box and not be anonymous when everything isn't going perfectly. Gyökeres hasn't shown that he's the man for this job IMO.
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It is noticeable that a lot of noise around him seems to have quietened since their form stuttered after Amorim's departure.

It's starting to feel a bit like the only places really pushing it anymore are on here and the worst of the newspaper gossip columns.
 
Crimson King said:
It is noticeable that a lot of noise around him seems to have quietened since their form stuttered after Amorim's departure.

It's starting to feel a bit like the only places really pushing it anymore are on here and the worst of the newspaper gossip columns.
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I think someone, a big or relatively big club will probably take a chance on him next summer...although I can see Sporting have difficulties getting a good price for him.

However, his "status" has probably surpassed what it should be and that will mean he won't be willing to join a mid-table EPL club or similar, but I think that should be the next step for him, despite his age. Could do more harm for him than good, but we'll see.
 
Rozay said:
Because he’s exceptional. I believe exceptional is what we want, no?
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I don’t think buying an injury prone £100m striker from our league rivals is going to be how we build our next great team. We have to pick up these players before they join other PL teams (Isak should have been a target while at Sociedad).

We have limited resources and will need to sign 5-6 new players for our first team in the next 2 years if we want to be competitive. We will have to improve scouting rather than go for obvious targets which will be too expensive.
 
JohnnyKills said:
With Hjolund and Chido-Obi already on board, I can't see us signing another striker.
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Hojlund is currently only just about good enough as back up option, and Chido is miles off the first team.

I'd like to think a striker is just about the main transfer priority.
 
Rojofiam said:
Since Amorim left Sporting:

0 goal contributions vs Arsenal in 90 minutes in the Champions League

0 goal contributions vs Brugge in 90 minutes in the Champions League

0 goal contributions vs Santa Clara in 90 minutes in the Portuguese league

1 goal vs Moreirense in 90 minutes in the Portuguese league: came from a penalty

1 goal, 1 assist vs Boavista in 90 minutes in the Portuguese league: the goal came from a misplaced backpass to the keeper which he intercepted, and the assist came from a deflected cross from next to the touchline to Trincao

1 goal vs Amarante in 24 minutes in the Portuguese cup: came from a penalty

1 goal vs Santa Clara in 120 minutes in the Portuguese cup: Another intercepted backpass to the keeper.

2 non-pen goals in 594 minutes since Amorim's departure but both came from backpasses he intercepted from the opposition CBs, so not the type of goal he will regularly score. The other two were pens and if I want to be harsh, his assist shouldn't have been an assist either. And all this was against way weaker opposition than what he will play against every week in a top 5 league.

It's a small sample size but I'll maintain my opinion that the club that pulls the trigger on this guy next summer will be making a mistake. Too reliant on scoring from transitions, and playing for a CL level club against weak opposition every week, for me.

Top clubs will need someone that can regularly score against low blocks in a stronger league than Portugal, especially in the Premier League's case, and to be able to dominate the opposition box and not be anonymous when everything isn't going perfectly. Gyökeres hasn't shown that he's the man for this job IMO.
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It’s not particularly useful to look at it this way because as you say, it is a small sample size that ignores his form all season and last, during which he has amassed 70 goals in 75 fixtures, a vast majority of which took place under Amorim’s system, which is what he would be doing at United.

If you applied your logic to Haaland’s performances during the same period after Amorim departed Sporting, you would get 3 outfield goals in 11 fixtures, which wouldn’t give you an accurate picture of the value Haaland brings to a team. The same principle also applies to Gyokeres or anyone else when looking at recent performances. It’s the totality of their accomplishments that provide a better picture of their capabilities.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Hojlund is currently only just about good enough as back up option, and Chido is miles off the first team.

I'd like to think a striker is just about the main transfer priority.
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I still think we're prioritising LWB and CM or AM before a new striker.
 
Sarni said:
I don’t think buying an injury prone £100m striker from our league rivals is going to be how we build our next great team. We have to pick up these players before they join other PL teams (Isak should have been a target while at Sociedad).

We have limited resources and will need to sign 5-6 new players for our first team in the next 2 years if we want to be competitive. We will have to improve scouting rather than go for obvious targets which will be too expensive.
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In general, I absolutely agree with you. But at a certain point we have to be willing to buy top quality/proven players especially in attack where we don't really have time to let a group of nothing but young players "acclimate to the league" as we flounder for results.

We haven't scored nearly enough goals since Ten Hag came in, and part of that is just down to the variety of issues from our forward line (poor decision making, lack of creativity from wide, poor finishing, bad in tight spaces, inconsistent finishing etc.). This isn't me saying "argh go buy Kane he'll get us 20 goals a season" as much as it is saying that we need to buy players that instantly elevate our final third play week in and week out and we aren't having to cross our fingers and hope a young prospect makes the leap.
 
There’s far more pressing positions of need before we look at another striker. I’m of the opinion that we get them sorted and see if Rasmus can mature to be the main man.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Gyokeres had outshined him for Sweden though.
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Tbh I’m not convinced the likes of Slovenia and Leichtenstein and co are my metric for judging a player. Isak has shown it against better teams than either have shone against for Sweden, so I’m convinced of his level.
 
golden_blunder said:
I love Isak, premier proven, got the full skill set. However price would be prohibitive.
Cheeky Rashford + cash swap deal?
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I don’t see why the price is prohibitive. Our signings don’t absolutely HAVE to be cheap. We are Manchester United.
 
golden_blunder said:
They don’t have to be but obviously we have to work to a budget like everyone else under financial restrictions
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That includes the clubs who buy players who are not cheap. We should still be amongst those. The budget is there to be managed, and if we are buying players, then they will be replacing existing players, naturally. We’d only be buying Isak, or any other striker for that matter, because we don’t believe in the likes of Hojlund, Zirkzee, Rashford and Garnacho. The idea is to not these players go for free, while only spending our own money. We should be increasing our budget by selling players like Rashford, Hojlund/Zirkzee and others. Rashford and Garnacho would create significant room in our budget.
 
Raoul said:
It’s not particularly useful to look at it this way because as you say, it is a small sample size that ignores his form all season and last, during which he has amassed 70 goals in 75 fixtures, a vast majority of which took place under Amorim’s system, which is what he would be doing at United.

If you applied your logic to Haaland’s performances during the same period after Amorim departed Sporting, you would get 3 outfield goals in 11 fixtures, which wouldn’t give you an accurate picture of the value Haaland brings to a team. The same principle also applies to Gyokeres or anyone else when looking at recent performances. It’s the totality of their accomplishments that provide a better picture of their capabilities.
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He was still playing for an UCL level club against scrubs almost every week, except that the gulf was just even bigger when Amorim was there.
 
Rozay said:
I don’t see why the price is prohibitive. Our signings don’t absolutely HAVE to be cheap. We are Manchester United.
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Financial fair play will tell us otherwise. Also the cheap ones are the ones that are low risk high reward… and if they turn out to be really good signings then you make profit when they move on. Rather then spending a fortune, player turns out rubbish and then selling for peanuts.
 
Rojofiam said:
He was still playing for an UCL level club against scrubs almost every week, except that the gulf was just even bigger when Amorim was there.
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What exactly is your point here ? That Gyokeres isn’t United quality because he has amassed 70 goals in 75 games and plays in a league that gave us CR7, Nani, and Bruno ?
 
Raoul said:
What exactly is your point here ? That Gyokeres isn’t United quality because he has amassed 70 goals in 75 games and plays in a league that gave us CR7, Nani, and Bruno ?
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My point is that he's gonna be a 1 in 2 player at best for a top club in a top 5 league. Maybe not even that.
 
A part of me is not sure about Gyokeres. Cant afford to spend loads on a striker that doesn't hit the ground running
 
Rojofiam said:
My point is that he's gonna be a 1 in 2 player at best for a top club in a top 5 league. Maybe not even that.
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That's a hell of a lot better than what we currently have
 
Ali Dia said:
70/80 million really doesn’t get you much striker these days does it? Oshimen, Darwin, Rasmus, this fella? The competition for the next top striker is so fierce that clubs are gambling more and more cash on finding a longish term fix. Mad that Haaland was available for so little leaving Norway and Austria. I think someone like Alvarez would have been great here and he was very cheap. I think we need to stop paying these massive fees as if it’s a given the player is going to come good and just improve our scouting. I like Rasmus a lot and I think he has top class tools for this league but someone fast and skilful who can make chances for themselves would be a welcome addition
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And that we had Ole recommending him!
Absolutely unforgivable miss that one.
 
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