What are they scouting? Like Amorim does not know everything about Victor already haha...
Victor Gyökeres
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mate...we need to score goals and find a goal scorer bc Zirkzee isn't it. Hojlund will come good hopefully but he's young.
We need enough defenders first
Nah they will demand 70.
The club should not rely entirely on the managers word about a player and should absolutely do their own scouting.
Not with two years left on his contract, no one is paying that, if he doesn’t move next summer and won’t sign a new contract by this time next year, he’s down to 18 months on his contract and ‘£40m maximum then.
No one is spending any big numbers, with the Associated Party Deal causing mayhem especially with huge question marks over Director Losns by big clubs like Chelsea and Arsenal, all of the big clubs are cautious with high transfer fees and are also waiting. On new rules concerning transfers after the Lasssna Diarra case where the CJEU ruled against FIFA in allowing him to move from one club to another as his right to work and move freely in Europe, this case has already had a significant impact on huge transfer fees being demanded by the selling club.
https://amp.theguardian.com/footbal...-landmark-day-alter-balance-of-power-analysis
The next two years will see significant changes in sporting law regarding the governance of transfer fees of players and their right to freely move from one club to another with minimum compensation paid going forward. All clubs now are using this landmark case when they negotiate the amount they are prepared to pay for a new player.
I’ll be honest I don’t think he should be a priority. Fix the wingback and CM position first. The. Priorities a top number 10.
You have Hoijlund and Zirkzee there. Atleast try and get a tune out of them. They are young enough.
You have Hoijlund and Zirkzee there. Atleast try and get a tune out of them. They are young enough.
Scout: "Boss, we have identified Gyokeres to be a very good goal scorer"
Amorim: "Ok, good job. Would have never spotted him by myself"
How he performs without Amorim would be a good litmus test of how good a striker he is.
I’m a bit pessimistic about bringing in players under former teams of our new coaches. It hasn’t seemed to workout for us much.
Great player but does this make sense? I think Zirkzee and Hojlund will score more goals once we sort out our dysfunctional midfield and wing back options.
I don't think a striker should be first priority at least. And the early signs are that Amorim will get more goals out of the players already here anyway.
Not really, no. He’s great, but Hojlund has a similar profile and is 5 years younger. At that age Gyokeres played in the 2. Bundesliga and Championship.
That and it puts a lot of pressure on the manager themselves, plus could easily create disharmony in the squad. That being said, some deals you just don't pass up on - not that i am saying this is one such deal. I'd prefer one of their wingbacks, in fairness, and possibly a CB.
It’s good to be involved and monitoring etc at this stage, but fact is that Amorim has barely decided which players to play where and who are good enough.
We’ll probably need several months before Amorim can make up his mind on the problematic positions in his system (though some are pretty obvious, like LWB).
Will hojlund pick up the pace? Will Rashford thrive next to hojlund?
Zirk may continue scoring and being important, or last weekend was an exception. But probably he’s better for the 10 than the 9.
So we need to wait and see how things develop. Though I can imagine it will show we’re too thin up top, in which case Gyokeres may be a useful addition
We’ll probably need several months before Amorim can make up his mind on the problematic positions in his system (though some are pretty obvious, like LWB).
Will hojlund pick up the pace? Will Rashford thrive next to hojlund?
Zirk may continue scoring and being important, or last weekend was an exception. But probably he’s better for the 10 than the 9.
So we need to wait and see how things develop. Though I can imagine it will show we’re too thin up top, in which case Gyokeres may be a useful addition
Agreed, I would go as far as to say, even the LCB issue might be a higher priority.
There’s a difference between bringing in someone like Antony, who nobody really gave it a shit about even in the Dutch league, to bringing in the most in form striker in world football. In fact Ten Hag was the only one that actively brought in former players (which I still thing is absurd).
And then anyone before Ten Hag I think the former players were hit or miss. Matic under Jose was good, Fellaini was a hit if you consider the fact he performed exactly how we expected.
I don't think it's that absurd - there are a number of very valid, very logical reasons why this would make sense as long as the player is off the required standard and not a massive overpay compared to other options on the market.
The only one of the 5 signings that stands out in this regard would be Antony - and it's primarily down to the latter reason. I don't think anybody had much of an issue with the signing in terms of the quality because most people thought he had the potential to be a very good RW and it's only in hindsight he's proved to be below-par, it was just too much money.
The other 4 at this point all look to be at least decent signings - Onana has looked pretty good so far (outside of the CL 'mare last year), Mazraoui too in limited sample size, De Ligt has looked fine and may yet improve further and get back to this best, and even Martinez was very good his first season until the injury setback last year.
Signing Gyökeres would arguably be a lot more like signing Antony though, compared to other former players ETH brought in.
Both did well in weaker leagues and generally weaker opposition, but there would be real concerns about whether Gyökeres could score even half the numbers of goals he has been scoring in Portugal, just like there were with Antony and whether he can translate his game into the PL. I think with Antony, it was clear that he wouldn't ever be the player people were expecting him to be, when looking at his price tag. He isn't explosive, he's not fast, his physical profile massively limits him and he can't beat PL defenders even in 1v1s, and even with space created for him by his teammates.
With Gyökeres, he could score a respectable number of goals from transitions in the PL, which he heavily relies on in the Portuguese league as well, but from other situations, such as against low-blocks, it's significantly more difficult to dominate the opposition box as a striker, compared to how difficult it is for him to do the same thing in the Primeira Liga, playing for an all-dominant, comfortably UCL level team, against opposition on average weaker than your average Championship sides.
Being a lethal transition threat is not that difficult when you possess a good amount of pace and power as an attacking player. I can provide you two examples just from the current United team in Rashford and Hojlund that are two of the biggest transitional threats in the whole league, thanks to their pace, strength, and ball-carrying abilities...and having Bruno behind them who can create a goal scoring chance for them out of nowhere.
However, I have major doubts about Gyökeres scoring a boatload of goals in the PL if you take away the ones that come from transitions and penalties...which is a problem for a team with either short or long-term ambitions of winning the league.
I think whichever top club pulls the trigger on Gyökeres, will be making a mistake overall. He will get you goals, but he hasn't shown that he's elite in all aspects of being a forward for an elite level club like United or Bayern, for example, as I believe they're interested in him as well. That's why I think he should go to a smaller club instead, but that's probably not a possibility anymore due to his status having skyrocketed beyond (IMO) his real level and potential ceiling.
(And just going back to my first paragraph, all the other former ETH players we ended up with are actually quality players that I'm sure all the top clubs' scouts knew that they would hack it in the top European leagues too.
Onana was considered by Barca and Arsenal, and Inter were one of the best teams in Europe when he was their number 1 keeper.
Mazraoui was wanted by both Barca and Bayern if my memory serves me well.
Martínez was wanted by at least 1 big club in Arsenal. I have some doubts about how he fits long-term into Amorim's system, but he's undoubtedly a quality player and one of the best players you could get for certain roles within certain systems.
De Ligt was wanted by all of Barcelona, United before ETH was even here, Chelsea, Juventus, City, Bayern, and I'm sure other top clubs as well in the last 5-6 years.)
And I haven't even mentioned that a new striker is arguably not even a top 3-4 priority for United right now. We need at least 1 athletic defender who can defend the wide channels and eat up space quickly. We also need a new CM who has a good passing range. A new LWB will be sought as well IMO.
Gyokeres has experience of English football, he did well at Coventry. Now he has matured,played in another league and CL, even against good opposition like City, he will do good here.
At the least he is better than all 3 attackers we currently have and is available for a good price, for me it's a no brainer, Anthony transfer never made sense to me, he physically just did not have it, nor the pace.
At the least he is better than all 3 attackers we currently have and is available for a good price, for me it's a no brainer, Anthony transfer never made sense to me, he physically just did not have it, nor the pace.
Small sample size but since Amorim left Sporting he hasn't been banging them in like he was. 1 goal against a third division side and a penalty in 5 matches. Sporting also has lost 3 of the 5
I would be slightly worried if we signed him. Not that he isn't good, it just has quite a lot of potential to go badly imo.
Good? For who, Sporting?
His release clause is 100m Euros, but there has been news that they be willing to accept 60/70m Euros, that is relatively cheap for a top class CF.
Go get this man now, we need fecking goals. We have no time to teach babies how to score in the most sensitive position on the field, the number 9.
I don’t think he’s my first choice striker. We should spend the money snd go and get Isak. I don’t want a Jamie Vardy, unless we’re talking Haaland who we know will score bucketfuls. Isak is a top goalscorer and also a brilliant footballer.
You’re not wrong, Isak would get into Liverpool, Arsenal, and Chelsea starting XI, which shows that he’s the kind of the player United should be getting. A player who is worth to be top teams to challenge the league. But he would cost the triple or double of Gyokeres.
Isak would be superb linking with Amad.
What is his contract situation. I’m not aware of a renewal and he’s been there 3 seasons next summer. I think £100m would probably be his price.
Isak would cost us £100m+ though.
Isak is the profile of striker this club needs to target. As comfortable dropping as he is leading the line by arriving at the ball in key moments.
On top the basics - pace, finishing and dribbling.
On top the basics - pace, finishing and dribbling.
Newcastle would never sell him by Isak would be the perfect signing for us.
Premier league proven, scores from everywhere not just a tap in merchant, 1 in 2 record in premiership but my only doubts on him are his injury record.
He has played 27 and 40 games the previous two seasons. He is looking a bit better this season so far however with 17 games under his belt.
The little of Gyokeres I have seen in Portugal, he was physically bullying everyone and his hold up play was at a higher level than Hojlund (understandable with more experience). I’m not sure if he’d have quite that same physical advantage in the premier league, but if he was available at a non exorbitant price I would take him happily.
Still think LWB, LCB and CM are higher immediate priorities though
Still think LWB, LCB and CM are higher immediate priorities though
Wow interesting, I wonder how Sporting would get on without Amorim, just not bothered to check so thanks @JustinC00
Isak is superb and he's shown it in the league against the top opposition and he's shown it in europe as well.....he's a top class striker
Gyokeres may be less proven but he knows the system, fits the system and he knows the manager
Gyokeres may be less proven but he knows the system, fits the system and he knows the manager
When do we move from monitoring to thinking about it
next summer
For a small price of 2 billion dollaz, he can be ours