If we had won the last game we wud have topped the group. Fine margins. Don't worry, Tottenham will shit themselves as usual. Ye will have your Europa League next season.
Vardy/Kane to replace Rooney in the summer?
- Thread starter Lewis.no.9
- Start date
IF, IF, IF ... but the fact is that you didn't win your last game and have been dumped into the EL from any easy group. And yet again, you fail to answer the question: is the EL the level of the current United squad?
Its the level LVG has set them up to play in.
When we have a fully fit squad, it is Champions League level.
Then that's what comes of your "big names" pursuit and mega-bucks approach.
As I've said several times, United need to get back to basics: build for the future, drop the pursuit of so-called "galacticos" (including big-name managers) and mega-bucks signings, overhaul your scouting network and invest instead in talented prospects.
Last edited:
You've spent an absolute fortune - almost unbelievable sums of money - on additions to your last title-winning squad and yet your excuses come down to injuries. Sorry, but that doesn't excuse anything.
Hahahaha coming from the ones that wasted their Bale money. The market is not good value nowadays and we also recouped money from sales (Di Maria etc) We had to try and take on a top German team with two young full-backs that never started a game before as well as our first choice CDM out injured. Plus that's your opinion that it doesn't excuse anything. We'll have to disagree there.
Spend whatever it takes to get Kane in the summer. Start tapping him up now (all top teams do this so don't take the moral high ground) so we have less work to do then.
You say "wasted the Bale money", yet 2 of the players signed with that money (Eriksen and Lamela) are in our regular starting XI, and another (Chadli) is a good member of our squad. And United's net spend must be something like 10 times (or more) that of Spurs since your last title-winning squad.
The suggestion that the "market is not good value nowadays" is total bollox. Dier cost us £4m, Alli for £5m and Alderweireld cost us £11.5m. All combined, that's a fraction of what you may eventually end up shelling out for Martial alone.
You consider Lamela a good buy for the money he cost? And Chadli? Ah come on because Dier and Alderweireld have set the PL alight alright. I see you didn't post any attackers as good value. Lamela?
You consider Lamela a good buy for the money he cost? And Chadli? Ah come on because Dier and Alderweireld have set the PL alight alright. I see you didn't post any attackers as good value. Lamela?
Yes, I do consider Lamela good value. Spurs have been building for the longer-term, which means signing younger players. Lamela is still just 23 years old, has take time to adjust to a new league and new country, but has been pretty good for some while now - plenty of assists in the last season and a half, huge work rate and tenacity, and 7 goals in 18 appearances so far this season - which is why he's usually part of our starting XI.
Btw, 7 goals in 18 appearances this season is a better rate of return than that of Martial so far, who will potentially cost you more than double Lamela's price ... and Lamela isn't even a striker.
Ah wud ya give over.......Lamela done feck all until the start of this season and he's still not done much. How many of Lamela's goals have been against Europa League opponents? Also you're comparing a player who is nealy 4 years older than Martial and has as you said settled into the league.
You clearly haven't been following Lamela's progress. The signs of improvement started well before the start of this season: for example, last season he was 2nd only behind Eriksen in terms of the number of assists for Spurs.
Frankly, it's laughable that you question Lamela's value-for-money when, as I've said, he cost less than half of what you'll likely end up paying for Martial.
Hahaha so ur basing his improvements on Spurs' other players lol. And who's to say Martial won't become one of the best strikers in the world. Its obvious Lamela wont become one of the best wingers. Martial has age on his side. You just come on here spouting about how great Spurs are and ya just can't except that they will NEVER be as big as United.
I don't believe I've commented on Martial's abilities. I've simply said it's laughable to question Lamela's price in comparison to that of Martial's
BTW, Lamela isn't a winger - he plays anywhere across the attacking front 3 behind the striker. And he also has age on his side.
PS. Spurs have been bigger than United in the past - check your history. So your "never" is already redundant.
I don't care where he plays, he isn't gonna be world class. Hahaha oh sorry go enjoy ur previous years of glory.
Then you obviously know little about him, which was already apparent from your previous posts.
PS. You don't know that Martial is going to be world class. You're just assuming - based largely on his price tag no doubt - that he will be.
Haha what are you on about??? Lamela wouldn't get near Arsenal or Citys current attacking contingent and I would not like to see is sign him to try and solve our problems. Also you dont know how im coming to that conclusion so why guess? It has nothing to do with his price tag you. It is down to him performing week after week as a 19 year old in his debut season in the premier league actually.
I've simply made the point that Lamela's fee is not now proving to be unreasonable, so why are you dragging Arsenal or City (or any other team for that matter) in this? And nor have I claimed that he's world-class, so again why did you drag this into your earlier post?
Concerning Martial, you're saying, based on his performances for United so far this season (and his age and it being his debut into the Prem), that he's going to be world-class? I have to say that's a pretty flimsy basis for such a claim.
Delle Alli is even younger than Martial and this is also his debut season in the Prem. His performances so far have been at least as good as Martial's, yet I don't claim that he IS going to be world-class. It's far too early to tell.
That's your opinion but it differs to mine.
£250m of which only £150m is net spend is not a lot of money in 2015 to rebuild a squad at the level United should be at. Frankly, we have spent about half of what we need to.
Kane was MOTM today with a great finish for his goal.
47 goals in 100 appearances at 22.
He's going to be a star. No question.
47 goals in 100 appearances at 22.
He's going to be a star. No question.
We used to laugh at RAWK about this.
Regardless, I disagree. Atletico won La Liga and almost won UCL with far less money than that. BVB won Bundesliga with far less money than that. Leicester are miles better than us too.
While 250m might be argued that it isn't enough to fix a team (I disagree though), point is, the team now isn't stronger than when LVG came.
Yes, those two did well but they buck the general trend that big investment is needed for success.
Also, it's is extremely important to recognise the transfer market in 2015 compared to even just 2013 is much more inflated.
When I say inflated, I don't mean artificially in anyway. Market rates for players have grown exponentially and are going to continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
£50m is the new £25m.
The best teams in europe right now were spending big between 08-13 and reaping the rewards. Imagine a young Aguero for £37m now?
Another brace for Kane today.
I am of the opinion that we should throw the full financial force of the club at making that deal happen.
I am of the opinion that we should throw the full financial force of the club at making that deal happen.
They'd charge close to a world record fee.
Where do you think United are going to finish exactly? It looks like the only way we'll avoid the Europa league is to come lower than 7th....
Injuries is not a valid excuse. Every club gets injuries. Arsenal for example always seem to get as many as anyone. They always finish in the top 4.
Any decent Premier League player is going to cost an absolute fortune now due to the TV money explosion.
I've been a skeptic re Kane, but he's scoring again this season. If the choice is Vardy or Kane, its no choice at all IMO.
Kane right?
If they get top 4 over us i don't think we have a chance of getting him.
If there is a bidding war for Kane do people think he'll leave? I'm adamant that he would tbh despite what Tottenham fans are telling themselves.
Dybala is very much like a young Agüero and Juventus managed to buy him for €32m initial fee.
I think you overestimate the impact inflation has on transfer fees, it's more than possible to find value for money if you look beyond the Premier League. Douglas Costa is another example, he cost Bayern about €30m in the summer and doesn't look out of place among the numerous world class players in their team.
Obviously Kane would command a higher fee because of the Premier League/English tax, but £50m shouldn't be seen as par for a player of his quality.
Been saying Kane since Chelsea at home last season, he looks he part and we all know it.
Shame we're not in a position to unsettle him. He's likely to finish ahead of us this season.
Shame we're not in a position to unsettle him. He's likely to finish ahead of us this season.
Kane or Lukaku, either one.
Why not both?
Wasn't Rooney doing the same thing in the EPL day in and out until along came LVG with his sideways and backward passing football.
Another person suggesting £50m for Kane is "about right".
Absolutely hilarious.
It's not 2007 anymore.
The golden boy of England and the PL at a club who will not want to sell nor do they need to...
Only chance in he'll he leaves is if BOTH
1) we offer around £100m. Yes, that fecking much.
2) he kicks and screams his way out.
I don't think Spurs would want to sell even at £100m. Why would they? Take that and you have to gamble on investing to find players to kick you on. About half of transfers fail, objectively.
Also, if they make CL he is going nowhere this summer. No way on earth.
Absolutely hilarious.
It's not 2007 anymore.
The golden boy of England and the PL at a club who will not want to sell nor do they need to...
Only chance in he'll he leaves is if BOTH
1) we offer around £100m. Yes, that fecking much.
2) he kicks and screams his way out.
I don't think Spurs would want to sell even at £100m. Why would they? Take that and you have to gamble on investing to find players to kick you on. About half of transfers fail, objectively.
Also, if they make CL he is going nowhere this summer. No way on earth.
I don't know if this post is aimed towards me. If it is, I don't think Spurs would want to accept £50m for Kane but I'm sure there would be players of similar ability available for that price (or less).
I don't think Kane is good enough to justify the club sanctioning a world-record bid for him.
What is the problem? We are top 10!
Kane is the one we should be targeting. I don't rate Vardy and Kane is better than Lukaku.
A ready-made, natural replacement for Rooney if there ever was one. About 60m sounds good to me.
A ready-made, natural replacement for Rooney if there ever was one. About 60m sounds good to me.