You could argue that if Dorgu rolls around and milks it that that's a red card too, Smith agreed it was a Bournemouth foul obviously.
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You could argue that if Dorgu rolls around and milks it that that's a red card too, Smith agreed it was a Bournemouth foul obviously.
Then he should've stepped in. I remember issues with VARs not wanting to correct Oliver not too long ago. Maybe too much of an unquestionable authority culture for a linesman to dare to step out of line.
Sky ref watch
Gallagher : It’s a red, dangerous follow through to standing leg.
Presenter : What about the Bruno slip v Spurs you said that wasn’t a red
Scouse woman : Never a red for me
Scouse Warnock : Never a red for me
Earlier foul on Garnacho
Gallagher : just about a yellow, any higher and red
Scouse woman : Never a red for me
Scouse Warnock : It’s a great tackle
State of it
Gallagher : It’s a red, dangerous follow through to standing leg.
Presenter : What about the Bruno slip v Spurs you said that wasn’t a red
Scouse woman : Never a red for me
Scouse Warnock : Never a red for me
Earlier foul on Garnacho
Gallagher : just about a yellow, any higher and red
Scouse woman : Never a red for me
Scouse Warnock : It’s a great tackle
State of it
Ffs whatever about claiming it should have stayed yellow, claiming it was a great tackle is madness.
Still can't see how the two Bournemouth tackles get a yellow and a red, from the same set of referees.
Either both are red or neither are.
Either both are red or neither are.
Obviously, we don't know if there was communication but the linesman gave a throw-in, if he thought it was a foul he would have been waving his flag to indicate a foul, that's what they normally do
Before our club starts moaning after every match we play with disgusting decisions against us then we will continue to be hit hard by Var, refs, linesmen, pundits, media etc.
This club is too passive.
This club is too passive.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/ckg542j1jxgo
What a joke the whole thing is at this stage.
What a joke the whole thing is at this stage.
Did the ref bottle the penalty call when Timber had his arm around him?
Think the fans were moaning prior to this, correct or incorrect decision? Could have been 2-0 first half.
Think the fans were moaning prior to this, correct or incorrect decision? Could have been 2-0 first half.
That is completely fecking bananas.
It’s just insane and people have the audacity to say Utd aren’t treated differently from others. There is zero chance this gets overturned if it’s a Utd player in the same position! It was clearly a red and this is just fuelled by media pressure.
Thats mad that.
If Maz has his leg planted then you'd be talking about a leg breaking challenge.
It also sets a weird precedent now where, if you slip, it doesn't matter what happens next
I'm mainly lost on how that tackle on Garnacho isn't a straight red card. It's not even in the realms of being debatable. Just seems to be the idiotic stone age English attitude of it being ok to kick lumps out of players that are better at football than you.
The actual red was never a red but at least everyone who isn't either biased or a Premier League referee (i.e. either corrupt or utterly incompetent) can agree on that.
But I don't know why after years this debate is still ongoing when it's so beyond obvious that the issue is the incompetence/lack of standards or accountability applied to the officials. If I was as bad at my job at them I'd last about 2 weeks...and it's not like it's easy to get sacked from my job. Most it'd be more like 2 days.
The actual red was never a red but at least everyone who isn't either biased or a Premier League referee (i.e. either corrupt or utterly incompetent) can agree on that.
But I don't know why after years this debate is still ongoing when it's so beyond obvious that the issue is the incompetence/lack of standards or accountability applied to the officials. If I was as bad at my job at them I'd last about 2 weeks...and it's not like it's easy to get sacked from my job. Most it'd be more like 2 days.
It's correct though. You can't punish someone for slipping over.
I think they just knew the cocked up with the one on Garnacho so the usual plank head "even if up when we get the chance" approach kicked in..
Didn't think that was a pen personally. Timber had his arm there but Kvara chose to throw himself to the ground. Timber got away with multiple fouls on Kvara though. Should have been booked in the first half, and maybe even a 2nd yellow. He just kept fouling and fouling.
He definitely should have booked Martinelli for diving for the free kick he won near the end of the game.
I can't wait to see this standard being fairly and consistently applied to all such appeals in the future!
If you slip it's considered an accident. If the challenge itself, in the absence of the player slipping, didn't meet any of the thresholds for a red such as excessive force or recklessness etc then I think it's fair enough.
If that was Cas there's no way it would have been rescinded
I know Dorgu’s looked worse against Ipswich…but he slipped and it was torrential rain at the time.
They should instead give one to the other lad that should have been sent off.
Plus Hutchinson was kneeling down, making it look even worse.
At the time, Savage was banging on about it like he had just witnessed a potential assault.
I think this is utterly bizarre. To look at that tackle from certain angle and say it not worth red card. Madness. Bruno red overturned is absolute fair, ridiculous red card but on this player lose control and could be serious injury.
This is re-reffing a decision that is not wrong.
This is re-reffing a decision that is not wrong.
Rescinded! You can't make it up.
Now people will say typical United getting false red cards against us such is the bias we receive
So now if you want to really obliterate someone, you do a little slip first then 2 foot them in the face
"it's ok, it wasn't meant innit, I slipped"
Now people will say typical United getting false red cards against us such is the bias we receive
So now if you want to really obliterate someone, you do a little slip first then 2 foot them in the face
"it's ok, it wasn't meant innit, I slipped"
Remember when Bruno slipped and it was unanimously agreed in football media that it was the correct decision to send him off?
I think they should have left it as is. I don't care if it was a mistake - he should be more careful. Clumsy players should be punished for being clumsy, its stops them weaponising their clumsiness to punish the players that share a pitch with them.
Its another nonsense grey area where referee's can make it up as they go along and give decisions on a whim instead of a black and white, binary rule that says don't put dangerous tackles in - full stop, the end.
Maybe fine bournemouth for watering the shit out of the pitch and creating a situation where tackles like it were flying around. Players were slipping all match.
Sabotaging your own pitch for an advantage against a team in the bottom half of the table is kind of pathetic. I'm glad it backfired on them, should have cost them more and had a player sent off in the first half.
Its another nonsense grey area where referee's can make it up as they go along and give decisions on a whim instead of a black and white, binary rule that says don't put dangerous tackles in - full stop, the end.
Maybe fine bournemouth for watering the shit out of the pitch and creating a situation where tackles like it were flying around. Players were slipping all match.
Sabotaging your own pitch for an advantage against a team in the bottom half of the table is kind of pathetic. I'm glad it backfired on them, should have cost them more and had a player sent off in the first half.
I must admit i’m not entirely sure how it’s been rescinded.
Yes, he slips and that makes it worse than it would’ve been if he hadn’t, but it’s not as if the rules has a specific category for accidental fouls.
«A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.»
I’d say it’s fairly obvious that the tackle endangered the safety of the opponent, accidental or not.
Yes, he slips and that makes it worse than it would’ve been if he hadn’t, but it’s not as if the rules has a specific category for accidental fouls.
«A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.»
I’d say it’s fairly obvious that the tackle endangered the safety of the opponent, accidental or not.
I think it could well come down to what is considered a tackle. It may be that once a player slips it's no longer consider it a tackle. Those rules no longer apply if it was deemed accidental contact or an accidental coming together.
Watch it again as Timber grabs him with his arm blocking him for a second before letting go. The ref cannot decide how much force is used therefore he should be pointing straight to the spot as you’re not allowed to grab people. I couldn’t believe my eyes it was waved off. Arsenal lucky.
Not really lucky. It would have been soft.
Are you suggesting they should give penalties when they can't determine if there's been an offence or not?
Either way the hand across the attacker didn't cause him to go down and the over exaggerated dive meant it was easy to waive away the penalty appeals.