Dorgu got a yellow here - state of refereeing is shocking
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It’s about time yellows are reviewed/can be rescinded.Dorgu got a yellow here - state of refereeing is shocking
Sky Sports are simply a disgrace. If you think Adams shouldnt get red because he 'wants to win', and that that reckless scissor challenge is a harsh red, then its bias. Its that simple. Youve broken as an organisation where objectivity is concerned.
Played that one down too.
Both are red. The first is so much more force.
Got comms saying it’s highly controversial already too. State of them.
'never a red' 'robust effort' or something along those lines.
This is my last season with sky, will genuinely watch with arabic instead
The fact that he slips should have no bearing on the card. The outcome of the challenge is a clear red. I don't think the challenge in the first half was a red.
Interesting enough Martin Tyler and his co-commentator on the worldwide coverage thought it was nailed on red once they saw the replay. If they were working for Sky, I'm sure it would've been a different story.
Alan Smith thinking he “got it right initially” with a yellow, meaning it’s fine to book someone for a slip but not send them off for a significantly dangerous slip?
I thought both should be red, just meant that's my view on why the second was given by today's officials
Weve had this countless times earlier in season. They brushed past Nunez' assault on de ligt. They are the main reasons there is such a huge story when united get a decision and nothing when they dont- theyve essentially made it a product over the last three decades.
All in all though, even with the red, this is possibly, though not defintiely, the worst officiating of the season. He's been abysmal.
Yes while that first one was 2 feet off the ground, one foot was well out of the way and he'd turned his other foot away from the studs.
The second one was such a non controversy it's amazing anyone thinks different. "Accidental" isn't in the rule book for allowing brutal fouls.
And he needlessly swipes across with the right foot too. Its a red card and non discussion. But sky have built a big part of their interaction around United. They thrive on this stuff
But surely that’s exactly right? If you are making a perfectly normal challenge but your foot clearly slips so that it ends up being dangerous then there is no fault and it should be taken into account? Red cards should be given to sanction intentional or reckless behaviour not be dependent on the outcome.
Is Gerrard back playing now?
They were all over the slip on MOTD 2 as well. No mention of the first incident at all, of course
It’s red, clear as day.
Two footed, both off the floor (as first photo in tweet shows) and one foot takes Garnacho across the ankle, studs first (as first photo also shows). If Garnacho is leaning right with his weight on his right foot, could’ve been worse too.
Haven't seen a replay but Bruno slipped and it shouldn't have been a red against spurs. Is this not similar or was it worse?
Matt Holland was the co-commentator. He did keep coming back to it being a slip though but didn't argue the red. Tyler was having none of it though, once he saw the replay he just straight away called it a red, said it was serious foul play before the ref went to the monitor.
Dorgu got a yellow here - state of refereeing is shocking
Yeah, one of the worst decisions I've ever seen. Reminded me of the times Daniel James was getting yellow cards for being fouled by the opponent.
And right in front of the linesman, who manages to highlight just how pointless VAR has made them. The fear of being overruled has turned them into useless bystanders that only flag the most obvious offences. It's just one more indirect negative created by VAR.
Even the Norwegian commentators basically said it was shockingly bad refereeing yesterday, and normally they refrain from saying much about the refs - "sadly, this is atrocious" is what they basically said.
The first VAR check for red card in the first half was a straight red, and then the second was softer, so go figure. So many ill decisions throughout the game. A couple of clear penalties where they basically wrestled Maguire to the ground, not even looked at. Terrible refereeing all game. The yellow on Dorgu was simply hilariously bad.
The first VAR check for red card in the first half was a straight red, and then the second was softer, so go figure. So many ill decisions throughout the game. A couple of clear penalties where they basically wrestled Maguire to the ground, not even looked at. Terrible refereeing all game. The yellow on Dorgu was simply hilariously bad.
Also, the speed and force in the first is so much higher than the second. The first is a proper leg-breaker - clear red card.
If Bruno had caught Maddison with his studs and/or with any sort of force then he still would have been red carded. However he got his studs out of the way and turned it into a trip... which wasn't the case yesterday
It’s not even the reds yesterday. It’s that Dorgu yellow card. That’s inexcusable really, especially on the assistants side. You could see it clearly as it happened through a fecking television screen, yet they can’t?
Peter Bankes is usually poor.
Yeah, that was a highlight for me. I can understand Bankes not having an ideal angle and thinking Dorgu follows through and takes out the player, but the linesman had a fantastic view of the situation. Shockingly bad
Yeah, that was a highlight for me. I can understand Bankes not having an ideal angle and thinking Dorgu follows through and takes out the player, but the linesman had a fantastic view of the situation. Shockingly bad
Yep, this is on the money.
I don't think there's another team in England for whom every fecking refereeing decision that goes in their favour is as heavily scrutinized as ours. Even decisions which I'd argue should be pretty fairly unequivocal become contentious.
I watched Leicester's match against Liverpool last week and Leicester had a goal disallowed for a foul given on Alisson. You can see this at around the 1:45 mark here. Now, on reflection, I think the ref may well have made the right call here. With that said, I am absolutely convinced that if that decision is given in our favour for the same foul on Onana the commentators and pundits would not shut the feck up about how harsh it was and how Onana should've been stronger. It barely even registered as a talking point during the game.
Yeah I just don’t think a player can go into a challenge where a very slight slip will create such a horrendous looking impact. They have a duty to be in control of their body. Bruno is a good example of someone who slipped but maintained enough control to avoid any degree of danger in his challenge.
The Dorgu booking was the worst refereeing decision I’ve seen in a very long time. It was obviously terrible in real time too. Baffling. And Bournemouth were dirty bastards from minute one. They kicked the living shit out of Garnacho all game, with the ref making no effort to clamp down on them. Then he books Dorgu for that?!?
That isn’t a foul surely?! It’s shoulder to shoulder challenge. It’s not the attackers fault that Allison doesn’t even challenge him.
I don't understand this 'slip' point. If you go into a challenge so out of control that slipping results in you coming at knee height, flying through the air and breaking someone's leg then it's obviously a red card for endangering an opponent. Not slipping is part of being in control.
The whole point of these rules is to protect players regardless of intent. It's so simple.
The whole point of these rules is to protect players regardless of intent. It's so simple.
100%, its just so ingrained now from all the Fergie years bitterness.
Theres an interesting project to be done in the last 2-3 seasons if somebody could be arsed. List all of the penalties and red cards given for and against us. I absolutely guarantee that the number of boderline ones given to us will be infinitely smaller than the number of borderline ones against. Its not corruption, but I do think its a mental weakness on refs parts, unable to shut off that tiny part of their brain thats telling them about how much shit they'll get if theyre seen to be 'pro united.'
You look at our Lyon win, dramatic as it was, absolutely dwarfing Arsenal beating Madrid 5-1 on aggregate. You see how the internet explodes whenever there's a bit of United drama or embarrassment.
The mad thing from alan smith on commentary was when he said 'if he doesnt slip, it's a definite red', while then acting as if he was sent off for sneezing. Adams too, supposedly slipped when trying to separate Garnachos ankle from his body.
Can we not make a concerted effort to boycott Sky Sports by cancelling subscriptions? That's where the agenda against United has started. Hit them in their pocket by reducing their income. Are there alternatives available, such as buying a foreign set top box, to watch United matches legally via a foreign broadcaster.
Lovely idea that will never ever work
Not sure that is accurate in this particular instance, the linesman did the correct thing, he flagged a throw-in to United
A good first step. But especially considering he definitely saw what happened, he needs to correct the ref, no? It used to be that way. It might be another thing that has changed.
I don't think it has changed to be honest. They do communicate and the linesman should be telling the ref what he saw if he's better placed and closer to the incident.
That Dorgu one is stunning the more times you look at it from the video posted above. Not only does he get there first and kick the ball away, but that leg is then pulled back and not in a dangerous position, studs not exposed but flat on the ground etc. And then the other bloke kicks him on the shin
It's actually closer to a red for the Bournemouth player than a yellow for Dorgu, seeing as he has kicked Dorgu with extreme force.