VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion
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They would but issue in England is that the decision would then depend on who the player was, the score in match, the context, what teams are playing and what other big calls had been given by ref to that point. Reffing by narrative
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
been deliberately saved by any opponent
By the time Valencia does anything of those things there’s or five Qatar players between him and the goal. It’s not subjective. It’s a blatantly incorrect decision.
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
been deliberately saved by any opponent
By the time Valencia does anything of those things there’s or five Qatar players between him and the goal. It’s not subjective. It’s a blatantly incorrect decision.
Guess my question to that is - was it clear that the Ecuador player hit it last (or at all)? Because to me that looked like goalkeeper and defender
Great VAR decision that shows it's working that football fans in the group chats are all calling corrupt. VAR isnt always the problem, peoples lack of understanding is.
Yep. Presumably looking through the different angles to see who made contact was why it took so long, so would be good to see the Ecuadorian definitively making contact with the ball.
Why did it take them 6 minutes to show us the technology of the supposed offside
Definitely looks like he did on the BBC replays at half time.
By the letter of the law it's a good decision in the end.
I love that you've gone to the lengths of digging up the law and quoting it here to underline how bad a decision it was, and then by the end of the post it transpires that you're not even looking at the right player
It's by the book the correct decision. But I have to ask what advantage did they gain from being in an offside posistion? Absolutely none, if anything it was almost a disadvantage for them.
I think if we are going to be so clinical about offside than we should probably have an addition to the rule whereby if the offside is marginal and player has gained no advantage from being offside it should be called onside.
I think if we are going to be so clinical about offside than we should probably have an addition to the rule whereby if the offside is marginal and player has gained no advantage from being offside it should be called onside.
It wasn’t a great deal of effort but yeah. There was confusion as to what player people thought was offside. Not helped by it not being particularly obvious who em actually headed the ball.I love that you've gone to the lengths of digging up the law and quoting it here to underline how bad a decision it was, and then by the end of the post it transpires that you're not even looking at the right player
Yeah, I can understand the confusion in real-time. Just thought it was a bit funny the way your post was worded.
I didn't watch the game live, so just caught the highlights which meant I could skip the wait for the VAR review and straight to the official VAR footage, which I understand live viewers had to wait a good while for.
So FIFA's World Cup referees are even worse than the Premier League's. That's some achievement. How on earth could both the referee and VAR not give a penalty, when Harry Maguire was wrestled to the ground 3 minutes into the England v Iran match?
Similar, but much worse, to the incident Scott McTominay was penalised for at Chelsea last month.
Similar, but much worse, to the incident Scott McTominay was penalised for at Chelsea last month.
Not that I disagree with you, but their thinking is probably that Maguire had his arm around the Iranian player, too.
Do away with it.
So that's a penalty for Iran, but not for England in the first half? Refereeing at all levels is corrupt
If that had mattered, it would be scandalous.
Sympathy VAR call. Not sure what's the point, 6-1 or 6-2 you still got destroyed.
That’s the biggest inconsistency I’ve seen happen just in one game!
Players will have to be very careful then if such a minor shirt hold is a penalty. VAR in international tournaments has been the best in its implementation but in this WC it's being used for micro managing, trawling through looking for the slightest thing. Will it be this tedious in the knockout games, you could give 10 penalties a match with that one, very charitable.
The one thing that was clear and obvious was Maguire being bearhugged to the ground yet nothing.
The one thing that was clear and obvious was Maguire being bearhugged to the ground yet nothing.
A shirt pull to stop a player moving is a penalty.
I thought as much - I was sure it was in the rules and got a bit confused when Walton said they'd removed it.
What we've learned from this is that actual refs literally don't know what handball is anymore, and the person that ITV and BT employ to be their "expert" ref also doesn't know the rules.
World Cup VAR was so much better than PL VAR.
There needs to be a clarity on how refs are rated if they overturn their decisions or not. I don't think there is incentive financially speaking for them to change their decisions
Good that we got him again tonight then!
I can understand VAR not awarding a penalty for the blatant handball by the Forest defender, as the threshold for “clear and obvious” has apparently been raised. Hard to justify Taylor missing it in the first instance, though.
This picture is shocking. Our walk must have been standing some 12-13 meters from the ball!
I don't understand the rules here.
His hand are beside his body but he had obviously controlled the ball with it, it didn't just hit him. It should be a penalty
I haven't read the rule book but could it be because the ball hit his torso before his hand/arm? Feels like so many interpretations of the rule and changes have been made over the last few years that not many people actually know what is a handball anymore. I've certainly lost track.
feck this handball rule
Lest we forget.
Who was that child acting as a ref? Awful
I actually thought he wasn't as bad as refs in recent weeks. Some stupid decisions but that's that.
Standards are very very low though.
I can understand the premise behind the rule but when it's implemented with decisions like this not given its madness
Lest we forget.
I'm delighted but how the feck did he only add 5 minutes added time. There was 2 injuries that took 3 mins each before play resumed not to mention subs and other stoppages
So let’s say the ball ricochets off Rashford to Bruno and he taps it in, the goal stands?
Lest we forget.
The most obvious handball ever, somehow missed by the ref, yet allowed by some insane technicality. Bizarre even now.