Haven't we kind of been here before with that ghost goal with Villa Vs Bournemouth? It turned out the PL rules were pretty ironclad is shutting down any legal challenge in that instance, so I'd assume they'd have covered themselves against errors for VAR too.
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Haven't we kind of been here before with that ghost goal with Villa Vs Bournemouth? It turned out the PL rules were pretty ironclad is shutting down any legal challenge in that instance, so I'd assume they'd have covered themselves against errors for VAR too.
More VAR Tom foolery!
Var commentary released!
Var commentary released!
Which is madness when other recordings have been made public as soon as they were requested. If there is nothing to hide, PGMOL are making themselves look awful for no reason.
Wonder why Michael Oliver didn't step in there on that hold on Casemiro...
They said Atwell decided not to review that decision, so essentially it was not reviewed according to PGMOL even though Sky reported it was reviewed.
Forrest obvious in light of this were right to raise the alarm bells even though most mocked them
Atwell has never managed a Luton game in his career so you can be sure PGMOL know hes a Luton fan
It was not deleted, it was not reviewed
They‘ve been made available to the club when requested, but they haven’t been made public at the same time.
Bizarre.
So it is actually a rather big issue that the gobshite Neville has overlooked.
The one time we get a penalty the ball's gone in the net 
No idea, but you know Forrest are a disgrace for calling it out I guess
That was genuinely poor refereeing there. I know we scored so ultimately it didn't matter but had we missed that penalty, we may well have been denied a goal just because the ref blew too early.
People around football, pundits and media will say. Oh look, they got penalty and we will never get another one.The one time we get a penalty the ball's gone in the net
Just proves the refs aren’t doing their job correctly which is why more clubs need to call out the ineptness. We also need full recording, live when decisions are being made for transparency.
A full recording might be bad for us here. We got an incredibly cheap penalty.
That first Wolves goal was a shocking decision. There was a hardly a foul and it had not impact on the play going on.
Well he swings at him. Then a few seconds later looks over his right shoulder, as the player approaches him, to make sure he's there and swings at him again with the left and connects this time. There wasn't much contact but it was deliberate and pretty stupid.
I don't have much of a problem if they get published for that type of thing.
Wolves being screwed over again with VAR.
For me that's a shocking decision, both players are having a little tussle, there's a push and a bit of afters, but there's no real contact, player doesn't whinge or go down, nothing.
VAR is a joke.
For me that's a shocking decision, both players are having a little tussle, there's a push and a bit of afters, but there's no real contact, player doesn't whinge or go down, nothing.
VAR is a joke.
Yet more proof that coming out and having a moan about how VAR is screwing you over has zero bearing on whether or not you’ll get screwed over again.
It was exactly the same as the Maguire penalty. I’m not sure why Casemiro didn’t go to the ref after .
Football is a far better and far more enjoyable game without VAR.
This sort of nonsense decision just makes no sense, there's no clear and obvious error there that leads to that goal being scored. But it's Darren England and Stuart Atwell so not really a surprise.
It was a horrible result for a Luton fan. They needed the pair to draw.
Also, people in football support football teams. You trust people to make the right decisions.
I don't think Luton were ever catching Everton. Pretty sure there's a rule in place to prevent officials from officiating sides who are rivals of or in close competition to the team they support.
Agreed - before Sunday, we were the easiest to catch so an Everton win suited Luton. Who ever stays up there will probably only be a point in it at most. So a point each suited Everton and Forest more than Luton.
There used to be such a rule in place when Keith Hackett was in charge. Neil Webb removed it when he took over (according to an interview with Hackett a couple of days ago).
A draw was the best result. Luton still play Everton. It's better to be chasing two teams than just one.
It would have had the table very close with Luton on 25, Forest on 27 and us on 28. It's only with the benefit of hindsight and last nights result which nobody expected that it now looks like we were too far ahead. We've gone from 2 points ahead to 8 points ahead within 4 days.
It would have had the table very close with Luton on 25, Forest on 27 and us on 28. It's only with the benefit of hindsight and last nights result which nobody expected that it now looks like we were too far ahead. We've gone from 2 points ahead to 8 points ahead within 4 days.
I can't find a fuller video - does he have an initial swing before this? Because if its just for this its pretty harsh.
Nah I think that's a foul. He has a look and then a full swing shown on MOTD and tbh I thought it was a foul.
And a game lasts all day and has more breaks than a snooker final.
If football went down that route, I'd stop watching.
You'll be wanting the players wearing crash helmets and shoulder pads next.
Think it's maybe a foul if given on the field but not sure if it's one of those that you'd change in the VAR room. Once again an on the fence decision that will cause controversy because of the clear and obvious rule.
That does get worse with every watch. It's right at the very start of the video, so a little difficult to see. He very clearly looks the guy first, to see where he his, then swings his elbow at him. It's only a glancing contact and the fact the guy does his best to dodge and doesn't react at all makes it look a lot less nasty. If yer man had Harry Kane'd himself that would have been an obvious foul and possible red card.
It does seem like a really weird incident to get hung up on to rule a goal out, mind you. It had zero effect on the passage of play that led to them scoring.
Yeah, the look before makes it worse in my opinion.
The Wolves player literally has a proper look to see where his opponent is and then lashes out his arm, not sure why it's not viewed as violent conduct.
It's funny because they both foul each other at pretty much the same time. Bournemouth player comes in and goes for a push with straight arms while the Wolves player is obviously swinging to hit him, it's not like one incident is a result of the other. You can also see it clearly impacts the Bournemouth players ability to go for the ball afterwards, but then again he's also more focused on the Wolves player as he's running towards him to push him.
I reckon it's one where the ref on the pitch should've been sent to the screen.
Yeah he quite clearly knew what he was doing.
You said it yourself though, the Bournemouth player is actively running to try and push the Wolves player prior to the swing rather than interested in the game itself. I'd probably say it's possible to give the goal and give a red to the Wolves player and a yellow to the Bournemouth one.
I don't disagree, it's a weird one
I think the NFL is too stop start to implement that in football. It is bad enough with the 2 minute+ ones now. Imo, having the conversation streamed live over the tannoys in the ground and on TV would firstly eliminate any 'Dean' type situations as he would just look like a moron in front of the world and the fans would push for a decision/have a bit more understanding of what is taking so long. This may also require all grounds to have big screens so the can see what is happening in conjuction with the conversation.
Halsey clearly knows something is wrong and wants to be on the right side if anything ends up in court.
I agree the NFL stop start model will not work in football. I feel the conversion option as I mention above is much better as seen in Rugby.
That said, I loath 'clear and obvious' as it means a VAR has to go 'ok, it is the wrong decision, but is it a really wrong decision'? It just adds a next layer of conjecture.
As for 'toe nail' off sides, if we move to space between the two players or 'daylight' we are only going to end up with situations where a defenders shirt is blowing in the wind, so is playing a player onside from the angle of the camera or something equally ridiculous. For me, just use the semi-automated and along with the current VAR system for offside.
Indeed.
Lego hair Foden slips on wet grass, ref gives the free and they score.
Not a thing will be said about it.
Not a thing will be said about it.