This is the same action. Everything happened in less than 10s and the chance at getting the penalty comes directly from Endo losing the ballIt was free kick. But once you let it go you can't take it back. Penalty is whole different situation. If he scored goal fine. Take that back. But it was penalty.
How can Liverpool get those decision over and over again.
It was free kick. But once you let it go you can't take it back. Penalty is whole different situation. If he scored goal fine. Take that back. But it was penalty.
How can Liverpool get those decision over and over again.
I think most would agree it’s a foul in the buildup. It’s the technicality of VAR, for me that makes this weird. “Ref thought it was ok, we can’t overturn it” is what we’re usually all told.If that was a clear and obvious error then what are they even doing? Ref saw it clearly, argued with VARs while on the screen and decided that he was clearly wrong.
The statements Liverpool issued have ensured that they get all 50-50s.
Lot of thing happens in less than 10s.This is the same action. Everything happened in less than 10s and the chance at getting the penalty comes directly from Endo losing the ball
It directly led to a turnover in possession and therefore the palace player through on goal. If it’s a foul then I’ve got no problem with them overturning it. There’s just so many technicalities that confuse everything that means this isn’t the case in every instance.Lot of thing happens in less than 10s.
If this is the rule, then we can go back how far? 1 minute? 3 minutes? Until ball is out? 45 min?
I think most would agree it’s a foul in the buildup. It’s the technicality of VAR, for me that makes this weird. “Ref thought it was ok, we can’t overturn it” is what we’re usually all told.
If same thing happened between Hughes and Endo near Crystal Palace corner flag. CP passes ball for 3 minutes without ball going out, attacks and exactly same situation happened in Liverpool penalty area. Would it have been penalty?It directly led to a turnover in possession and therefore the palace player through on goal. If it’s a foul then I’ve got no problem with them overturning it. There’s just so many technicalities that confuse everything that means this isn’t the case in every instance.
This is one of the (many) aspects of VAR I really hate.
If it's not there to ensure every single foul is called correctly, then it shouldn't be used to call a foul just because something else happened after that it can be used for.
Yes, it would be deemed a different sequence of play. How this is decided I’m not sure, it’s probably down to interpretation. 3 minutes definitely would be though!If same thing happened between Hughes and Endo near Crystal Palace corner flag. CP passes ball for 3 minutes without ball going out, attacks and exactly same situation happened in Liverpool penalty area. Would it have been penalty?
If same thing happened between Hughes and Endo near Crystal Palace corner flag. CP passes ball for 3 minutes without ball going out, attacks and exactly same situation happened in Liverpool penalty area. Would it have been penalty?
But it’s not a goal or red card challenge, I’m pretty sure VAR shouldn’t be involved?It's the same play. VAR and the ref made the correct decision, I don't know why people complain. Without VAR we'd have another ref mistake here.
Everybody agrees it is foul but when you let that go and a penalty happens little later it is not that straightforward.So many posters told you it was an obvious foul and it was obviously the same play ... but you keep going. Pointless.
Obviously, they are trying to find some balance between getting everything right (and having too many VAR interruptions) and getting only the most important parts of the game right (and having fewer interruptions). Which is a good thing.
I rarely read this discussion about VAR ... but it seems to me that most posts complain about nothing. Perhaps people forget how many mistakes the refs made before VAR. Sure, there are still some mistakes, but certainly not as many as before, most of the time VAR gets it right.
Everybody agrees it is foul but when you let that go and a penalty happens little later it is not that straightforward.
Liverpool scored 2-0 goal against She U in similiar situation. They let that goal count.
That’s the problem, you can’t. Every situation and team has to be subject to the same rules and processes, otherwise what’s the point?Forget "similar" situations. Forget other games, and other VAR decisions. If you want to discuss those, discuss them on their own merit.
This decision today was simple and obvious and VAR made the right decision. End of the story.
Everybody agrees it is foul but when you let that go and a penalty happens little later it is not that straightforward.
Liverpool scored 2-0 goal against She U in similiar situation. They let that goal count.
That’s the problem, you can’t. Every situation and team has to be subject to the same rules and processes, otherwise what’s the point?
As I’ve already said though - I don’t think people are complaining about the decision itself. Just the inconsistency and technicalities to get there, which means it isn’t the same for everyone.Refs are human, they were always inconsistent and always made mistakes. VAR people are also human, and they are also making mistakes.
No system will get it 100% right, all the time. It is not possible. But on the average, now we have fewer mistakes than before, thanks to VAR.
We have people here who complain, while admitting that this decision today was obvious and correct! Think about this! Can you believe that someone complains the ref made the correct decision today, because the problem is that some other ref made an incorrect decision a few weeks ago? If you think about it, it makes no sense!
As I’ve already said though - I don’t think people are complaining about the decision itself. Just the inconsistency and technicalities to get there, which means it isn’t the same for everyone.
We wouldn't have obvious errors. This have to do with the first situation. Otherwise it is crazy going back 2 minutes.Second important VAR decision, this time against Liverpool. Again the red missed something, VAR told him, the ref looked at the replay and corrected his decision.
VAR got it correct twice. Without VAR, we'd have two obvious errors.
No, nobody is annoyed they got it right today (other than it taking too long). The annoyance comes from the fact the same process varies so wildly from game to game.But they should complain when VAR gets it wrong. Not when gets it right.
What should the referee do today? Get it wrong because someone else got it wrong a few weeks ago? Makes no sense!
If someone makes a mistake ... from then on everyone should keep making the same mistake to be "consistent"? Again, this makes no sense.
No, nobody is annoyed they got it right today (other than it taking too long). The annoyance comes from the fact the same process varies so wildly from game to game.
Didn’t see that game so can’t comment. My main gripe is that we’re usually told ‘the ref didn’t see an issue with it, so we can’t overturn it so the on field decision stands’, whereas here VAR practically had to convince him to give the foul.What other situations are we talking about here? With handballs and battles in the box during set pieces I get the annoyance at the inconsistencies, but this? The one example mentioned, Liverpool's second goal against Sheffield United in the midweek, wasn't like this at all.
I wonder how Liverpool, Arsenal and ManCity always have decisions going their way when it matters the most.Expect an apology to Palace and demotion of referee after this.
So many times. Over and over and over again, we have seen some teams get decisions with them. We know those teams.When you have an absolute gentleman like Roy Hodgson upset and being booked on the touchline you know the game is gone.
Disgusting again and low and behold we know the team that benefits.
So many times. Over and over and over again, we have seen some teams get decisions with them. We know those teams.
Do you think he would got that yellow if it was 0-0 or Liverpool leading game?The subjectivity of those second yellow card challenges is frustrating and needs a bit of a look at over the summer. It isn't fair that refs can decide what they deem fair as a second yellow or now. The challenge Ayew put in for the second yellow would have been waved off by another ref.
