He was inside the goal, effectively off the pitch, is that offside?
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Pretty obvious pen. Just because it was correctly awarded doesn't mean that we got away with one.
Are you offside if you are behind the goal line?
A player who is behind the other team's goal line is considered to be on the goal line for the purposes of offside.
4 yellow cards for frustrating the restart of free kicks by our players.
No issue with it in principle but I'd put my mortgage on the fact you will not see a cumulative 4 yellow cards between now and the end of the season for the same thing by opponents of United.
No issue with the rules. Consistency has always been the issue. Allows referees to implement their own bias, e.g. Michael Oliver.
No issue with it in principle but I'd put my mortgage on the fact you will not see a cumulative 4 yellow cards between now and the end of the season for the same thing by opponents of United.
No issue with the rules. Consistency has always been the issue. Allows referees to implement their own bias, e.g. Michael Oliver.
Standing on someone's foot isn't in any way soft.
the good and bad tonight. both penalty calls in first half correct, and absolute howler to not give us a penalty for handball and then a truly pointless prolonged check for our winner.
What happened in Liverpool game? 2 goal with two clear fouls involved, and somehow VAR allowed both 
Not to mention the foul for the winner against Fulham a couple of days ago. That Diaz offside massively paying off for them!What happened in Liverpool game? 2 goal with two clear fouls involved, and somehow VAR allowed both
How did Amrabat get away with the push on Mudryk as he was striking the ball?
Thrilled he did but on replay it is so blatantly obvious, did they even look at it, would guess they just..missed it.
Thrilled he did but on replay it is so blatantly obvious, did they even look at it, would guess they just..missed it.
What happened in Liverpool game? 2 goal with two clear fouls involved, and somehow VAR allowed both
Liverpool will be offering a replay then I assume .........
Anyone got a replay of that handball that should have been given for us?
That was going in.
That was going in.
It was definitely going in but also definitely accidental. Probably a penalty in the CL, mind you.
That would have been incredibly soft.
I don't think so, Amrabat deliberately shoves him as he is looking to strike the ball, knocking him off balance.
Now Mudryk is so bad that the shove probably made the strike better than it would have been but the push is blatant and obvious.
The rules really need a change.
Accidental or not, you can't just stop a goal with your hand and get away with it.
Never could.
Can't really tell when did they actually change that, but that sucks.
Got no faith in them at all
You are allowed contact in football you know!
He literally reaches out as Mudryk is setting himself for a shot and shoves him with his left hand. I hate all the soft pens we get, handball especially but given the environment we are in as soon as I saw the replay I just assumed pen would be given as there was nothing ambiguous about it, wasn't a nothing coming together made dramatic by slow-mo, he tried to knock him off balance to affect the shot, succeeded and got away with it. What wizardry is this.
How did Wissa get away with a full on punch?? That’s as bad a decision as I’ve ever seen.
Why does Dermot Gallagher hate Man Utd getting penalties, he can never just say correct decision its a penalty kick
Dermot Gallagher was a shite referee 25 years ago so it'd have been true to form for him to not give it.
That's just another example of the current handball rules not being good enough.
The ball travelled a really long way. Plenty of time to move his arm out the way. But because it was down by his side, it's deemed not handball.
Sorry, what?! It was as blatant as they come. Enzo went in for the tackle and stood on Antony's foot. It was poorly timed and was clearly a foul. Yes, it wouldn't have been given 25 years ago because we didn't have VAR then and refs didn't change their mind randomly. On the rare occasions VAR provides an opportunity to justify its presence, Dermot Gallagher still went ahead and said something controversial.
I didn’t think the Antony one was a penalty (or at least it’s the type of situation which is often not given). Antony loses control of the ball, has no chance of getting to it and then the player treds on his foot. Not complaining, given how badly we’ve generally been shafted by VAR this season, but felt an odd one to overturn.
Agreed.
The handball law was made exactly for this kind of situations in my opinion.
A situation where a handball, deliberate or not, skews the fairness of the game.
In that case he literally blocked a shot with his hands, and a shot on target more likely than not.
If a player is late and stamps on your foot anywhere else on the pitch is it a foul?
Oh that's ok then. Play on.
It's a VAR pen. No-one would have been that fussed on it 4 years ago, now it's seen as a stone waller.
If that was any other team in the league he’d have simply said it was the correct decision and moved on but because it’s Utd he has to get a little snide comment in about how it’s a “modern day penalty” which wouldn’t have been given years ago. There’s always an ABU angle.
He's right TBH
Always with the hyperbole when it comes to United…The Hojlund penalty claim v Arsenal he said he’d have been ‘amazed’ if that were given. How? Literally how would that have been an amazing decision? How would stamping on a players foot 2 seconds late not have been worthy of a pen in 1999?
You believe whatever is going on in your head but the facts are Antony gets his toe to the ball before Enzo comes in on him, its a clear penalty.
99,000 instances of defenders goes to kick the ball in penalty box and opposition nicks in a touch on it ( no even goal bound) and the defender follow through catch the attacker and penalty is given.
There isn't even a debate
Once again referees all over the shop. How did Van Dijk get away with that karate move on the defender for Liverpool's first goal? I mean he clearly trips up a player leaving himself completely unmarked to volley home. Pathetic.
I thought our penalty last night was soft - a very rare occurence of something being most likely a yellow card but not actually a penalty (if that could make sense - but then again what does). Fernandez tackling over the ball and coming down on the ankle of someone is a yellow card (minimum) all day, anywhere on the pitch. That's the directive, that's how it is applied. But Antony had lost control of the ball and the challenge didn't deny any opportunity to us in any way.
Just for giggles I'd like to see the ref hand out a yellow card but not give the penalty. Imagine the meltdown.
I thought our penalty last night was soft - a very rare occurence of something being most likely a yellow card but not actually a penalty (if that could make sense - but then again what does). Fernandez tackling over the ball and coming down on the ankle of someone is a yellow card (minimum) all day, anywhere on the pitch. That's the directive, that's how it is applied. But Antony had lost control of the ball and the challenge didn't deny any opportunity to us in any way.
Just for giggles I'd like to see the ref hand out a yellow card but not give the penalty. Imagine the meltdown.
It's not the level of contact. It's the idea there's always been a presumption it's not a foul where contact was incidental and the offensive team got their shot/pass away cleanly, so they had an advantage just in advance. There was surprise when Arsenal got a penalty last year against City when Ederson took out Jesus after a shot. Not seen it given since to be fair but the principle is not clear cut.
He's a tool.
Player plays the ball off and then an opponent comes right across his foot with studs. It's a foul everywhere else on the pitch.
The most annoying thing here isn’t whether or not he’s right that it’s a soft pen. It’s the way he’s been bending over fecking backwards to justify every single VAR call up until this one. Including a bunch of them which were a hell of a lot less obvious.
It's like the Trent barge before Liverpool's winner against Fulham. You can bet your life if United got a winner like that and VAR didn't intervene it would have been headline news.
He doesn’t say the decision is wrong in fairness. He says it’s correct, just with his little ancillary grumble about what might have been 25 years ago (I do agree with him that you’d never have got that 25 years ago).
The problem with his “analysis” is that we all know that, had the penalty not been given, he’d have come to exactly the opposite opinion. It would then clearly have not been a penalty because the ball had long gone and the impact minor. It’s just irritating that he seems to think his job is defending referees, rather than giving an unbiased opinion.
That said, the bad decisions last night were clearly Wissa only getting a yellow card for throwing a right hook and connecting with his opponent’s face and the Liverpool defender shoving a United attacker sideways away from the ball in the penalty area. Both obviously wrong decisions that required overturning.
It was free kick. But once you let it go you can't take it back. Penalty is whole different situation. If he scored goal fine. Take that back. But it was penalty.
How can Liverpool get those decision over and over again.
How can Liverpool get those decision over and over again.