I think VAR needs to take a leaf out of the cricket playbook. Give the decision to review to each team: 2 reviews per team and use them wisely team captain. In addition to that, the officials can have some support if they have enough doubt to review. Right now it's ruining games and even churning out incorrect decisions, which defeats the purpose of the whole thing anyway if you think about it.
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Can we all agree its a failure. BTW if everyone thinks Rashford should not have been sent off then admit now that Curtis Jones should not have been sent off either when he slipped on top of a ball before going into the players leg. Two terrible decisions.
We really need fans to mobilise for some sort of Super League style protests to get rid of this scourge.
Otherwise can't see anyone in football having the backbone to roll this back.
Otherwise can't see anyone in football having the backbone to roll this back.
I had already said it to the Liverpool fan at work, var is making the game soft, it’s causing players to put themselves in potentially damaging situations as they know var is there.
I can’t believe I’m saying this but we need to stoop down to the level of Liverpool and Arsenal and make an absolute shite storm over the constant decisions that are going against us. Accepting an occasional decision going against you is one thing, but when it is decision after decision, week after week, for almost a year now, something has to be done. We need to request an investigation into the officials that are involved in our games, it’s gone beyond sloppy refereeing, it’s criminal the amount of decisions that referees are getting wrong at our expense.
If for no other reason than to create a stir the club needs to start asking questions. We’ve seen before how easily manipulated refereeing bodies can be. Klopp threw his toys out of the pram because we were getting quite a few penalties a few years ago, the people in charge clearly heard this and we’ve had what, 4 penalties since? Klopp also made a huge deal after the Tottenham decision went against them and they’ve been benefiting from soft decisions ever seen.
Even though we are playing shite we still don’t need to tolerate this illegal activity. The manager and whoever the fućk it is that’s in charge needs to think very carefully about their next move, they need to start asking questions and demanding answers as to how so much is going against us from the officials.
If for no other reason than to create a stir the club needs to start asking questions. We’ve seen before how easily manipulated refereeing bodies can be. Klopp threw his toys out of the pram because we were getting quite a few penalties a few years ago, the people in charge clearly heard this and we’ve had what, 4 penalties since? Klopp also made a huge deal after the Tottenham decision went against them and they’ve been benefiting from soft decisions ever seen.
Even though we are playing shite we still don’t need to tolerate this illegal activity. The manager and whoever the fućk it is that’s in charge needs to think very carefully about their next move, they need to start asking questions and demanding answers as to how so much is going against us from the officials.
Game has been ruined by the introduction of VAR and when it comes to hand ball penalty decisions in the champions league it's even worse than the Premier league. Any goal scored now you are left waiting or wondering to see has VAR spotted something, imagine if it was around for the Champions League final in 1999?
Have defended VAR 100% - now I just can't anymore. It's not VAR there is something wrong with - it's referees being incompetent or inconsitent, but it's a too powerful tool for them to have.
Finally one thing we can agree on. It is indeed like talking to a brick wall
We retook the lead and still managed to lose that's not on VAR. Our players are weak constantly giving away leads.
we played with ten men for the vast majority of the game. Only weak player today was Dalot
We conceded 4 goal to fecking Copenhagen. 10 men or not that is inexcusable.Varane was horrific too. Either way we can't hold a lead stop making excuses for them.
This is the key point for me. Also the 1993 goal against Sheffield Wednesday, they were moments of intense sheer joy that would just be different today instead of celebrating in the moment you would be waiting for a check. Also I hate play acting but agree with a previous poster if Hojlund stays down there would be a VAR check etc.
Other sports such as Tennis, cricket, rugby, American football are naturally more stop start than football and less impacted by pauses to check. But football is best when it’s fast flowing and spontaneous. Personally would just get rid of it 100% but can’t see it happen in our tech makes everything better world.
No intent to hurt from Rashford either.....
The game's genuinely gone
Governing bodies absolutely must either walk back VAR or significantly change the way it can be used. It's a complete disaster
Governing bodies absolutely must either walk back VAR or significantly change the way it can be used. It's a complete disaster
Missed 2nd yellow though. Var should be able to step in there when the end result is a game defining red card.
Player goes on to score equaliser.
Its a straight red violent conduct deliberately strikes opponent in face with forearm/elbow. On review that is the only conclusion you can come up with the balls gone and it's as clear as day. Its a VAR mistake absolutely no doubt, that along with missing the interfering offside player for the first goal makes 2 clear mistakes.
The two penalties were awful decisions but at least they were consistent, and that's the way it goes in Europe at the moment.
The Rashford red was highly debatable, it looks alot worse using still frames and slo mo and taken out of context, but it was an accidental coming together. I wasn't surprised when I saw the replay that in the current climate they decided red card. But it's an unfortunate coming together that is part and parcel of a contact sport. Should we really be punishing that with a red?
Compare it to the violent conduct incident that they decided was perfectly fine and you really do wonder what on earth is going on.
You know when we get a bad decision in the PL and there is talk about lack of accountability it is still a lot better than European football. At least in the PL you know the people involved and there is generally an ongoing conversation about decisions. In Europe you have multiple games going on at the same time, you get a random referee & don’t know who is VAR and then once a bad decision is made you are just supposed to accept it & move on. UEFA basically never acknowledges any decisions and you generally don’t see the same refs twice a season. Absolutely zero accountability for doing a bad job
Honestly, I think that the lack of a backbone from the manager and hierarchy to call out VAR is pathetic.
The refs seem to give decisions that are on the edge because they know there will be no consequences from the manager or the club. They would not give such decisions to Real Madrid or Barcelona.
I hope Ratcliff comes on to pressures the United hierarchy to put pressure on refs.
It does not help that Ten Hag does not speak out and says things like he hoped that the decisions will eventually come in their favour?!
The refs seem to give decisions that are on the edge because they know there will be no consequences from the manager or the club. They would not give such decisions to Real Madrid or Barcelona.
I hope Ratcliff comes on to pressures the United hierarchy to put pressure on refs.
It does not help that Ten Hag does not speak out and says things like he hoped that the decisions will eventually come in their favour?!
https://www.skysports.com/football/...als-for-champions-league-defeat-in-copenhagen
Safe to say whoever did the write up for this struggled to hide their hate for United
Safe to say whoever did the write up for this struggled to hide their hate for United
The red card and both hand balls are dreadful decisions. I stuck up for VAR last gane with the offside goal saying I thought it was correct..... these three are really bad though.
What about their first goal also? If ours last game was correct how is that not offside
Jesus. Why would he mention the penalty we got unless he was asked specifically about it? It was equally as bad as the penalty that got them back level so they just kind of cancelled each other out in the end.https://www.skysports.com/football/...als-for-champions-league-defeat-in-copenhagen
Safe to say whoever did the write up for this struggled to hide their hate for United
https://x.com/unitedpeoplestv/status/1722523851160965155?s=46&t=GNj8QSxKxM_pv7nv4TCn7A
Loved how quickly they moved on from this
Loved how quickly they moved on from this
So it’s it not a red because he attempted to hand the ball and missed?
How does that make any sense?
I don't think it was enough for a red but the ref should have defo gave him a second yellow which would have been the same result in the course of the game.
It should have been looked at for a potential red. VAR can then recommended a yellow if it’s not deemed red card worthy. For example, with Rashford’s one, they could have decided it was only a yellow after checking it.
They just chose to completely ignore it.
Thought var was red or nothing?
The issue with the VAR rule is that either referee after reviewing the footage, chooses to send off the player, or just ignore the booking offense. There is no check for yellow card offense. Just like same minor foul missed by ref, if not goal involved wouldn't be checked, yet they try to look at any bit in sequence leading to goal.
I do wonder if VAR would benefit from not showing still images (fine for offsides ofc) or slowed down play. Happy to show different angles but it's a different scenario when sloweddown.And why do the on field refs have to always give fouls/send off whenever they have to go to the pitch side monitor?!
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They will review any moment that could be serious foul play. The ref can definitely give just a yellow after reviewing the monitor, I’ve seen that happen before. Whether the VAR can directly recommend a yellow without the ref going over to the screen, I don’t know.
I'm tired of us being the nice guys to refs. I used to try and be understanding but they just get poorer and poorer each year. We've had very little rub of the green since Klopp mouthed off about our pen record.
Let's stop being nice and give it to them like Arteta does.
Let's stop being nice and give it to them like Arteta does.
100%. I think it was @Anustart89 who first pointed out but one of the most insane ways in which VAR is used is the way it seems to be much more intent on protecting players from bruised shins than brain damage.
Eh?
Yup, one of my pet peeves that.
Maybe players should wear helmets like they wear shinguards, and when a player strikes the helmet then the ref can receive a notification from an impact sensor in the helmet on his watch so that he miiiiight possibly realise that the head's been struck.
Quite obvious sarcasm to me.
Honestly it would be quite simple to put down some ground rules. It was introduced to correct obvious mistakes. Show the incident three times in real time from two different angles, one minute maximum. If you can't call it after that, it's not an obvious mistake, and the on-field call stands.
How that elbow was not 2nd yellow is beyond ridiculous. Ref and VAR had showed they wouldn't tolerate dangerous play, intentional or not. They replayed it many times on big screen but VAR decided to ignore it. Quite spectacular that anyone thinks this is "human error"
Ref got lucky media only highlight redcard but not this one
Ref got lucky media only highlight redcard but not this one
Don't think I've seen that happen but assuming your right it's an even worse decision.
I thought it was worth a var check (based on similar instances that have been checked) but ultimately didn't think it was worth a red. The fact var could then have given a 2nd yellow and then a red if they looked at it, but didn't, its a complete feck up.
It's not quite right, but the essence is. The VAR can only recommend an on-field review for something he deems a red card, but as the referee is stood by the monitor all outcomes are available to him. So a referee could be sent to the monitor for a red card review and decide that a) it's not a foul at all, b) it's a red card, or c) it doesn't meet the threshold for a red card but decide to give a yellow.
In which case the player last night would've been sent off anyway since he was on a yellow.