There's been loads of worse handballs given since that. It's Liverpool vs Everton at Anfield, there is no way they weren't getting a penalty. Even if the Spurs game never happened, they would get that penalty.
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There's been loads of worse handballs given since that. It's Liverpool vs Everton at Anfield, there is no way they weren't getting a penalty. Even if the Spurs game never happened, they would get that penalty.
Wouldn't go as far as to say refs decided the game.
If you play like Everton do at Anfield you are asking for trouble. How much of the ball and territory on the pitch can you reasonably concede and not expect to have problems. Things are going to happen. Chances, fouls in and around the box, at the very least the ref is going to have plenty of decisions to make, and yes - sometimes they will get them wrong but he's hardly going to be getting them wrong in a way that benefits Everton in terms of winning the game if they're doing feck all on the ball.
Everton lose the game before they even start because they're not good enough and they play in a way that almost guarantees it will be hard to come away with a result.
I don't understand the thinking from Pawson either. It was easier to give him Konate a red than not. Literally no one would've argued as you literally did the same to Young earlier. It's hard not to call bias when you see awful decisions like that.
Everton didn't have any problems until referee gave Everton red card but somehow missed to give Liverpool. And if that wasn't enough, he gave Liverpool penalty when they couldn't break Everton defence.
As I said. I hope Dyche mention this in press conference and point out that it is not a universal rule to give Liverpool penalties and other game deciding decisions. He should continue with demanding apology and Everton as club should appeal. After that, there should be a week full of programs where we discuss this game from day to night.
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If we are saying that it's a blatant penalty than how can our one against Spurs or our one against Palace not be given? Both just as blatant neither given.
Depends on teams. It should be pretty clear for everyone.
Well, they did have problems. The problem they had was conceding all of the ball and sitting back which means situations occur at more of a frequency that gives refs decisions to make, in front of a home crowd. Then decisions get made.
All of this is known in football before you go into the game, home advantage is there and refs cock up - it's not a mystery. If you don't want that to happen or want to reduce the chances play more proactively, compete more for the ball and for the creation of your own opportunities and not just restricting the opposition.
As per the rules it's a penalty, as was Utd's against Spurs. From memory there a few worse handballs given since then, Luton definitely got one that deflected off a defenders leg and hit their hand.
This is Liverpool at Anfield against Everton, they are getting that penalty 99 times out of 100.
Called it after the Spurs game. Liverpool have officials on side for the rest of the season now.
Should potential second yellows not be looked at by VAR?
O.k it's a re-writing of the rules and Konate foul wasn't dangerous play but he should've been off. Just as Kovacic should've been off v Arsenal. If Oliver views that from another angle it would surely be a red card and same today.
Too many players getting let off because ref bottles a sending off of a player from a top 6 club and would rather give them "one last warning."
O.k it's a re-writing of the rules and Konate foul wasn't dangerous play but he should've been off. Just as Kovacic should've been off v Arsenal. If Oliver views that from another angle it would surely be a red card and same today.
Too many players getting let off because ref bottles a sending off of a player from a top 6 club and would rather give them "one last warning."
Tactics, luck or quality of players/teams should decide games. Games shouldn't be decided by referees, something that was done today.
I get you don't want every decision going to VAR because it's bad enough with the delays as it is, but a second yellow is obviously as big a game-changer as a straight red.
We've now had two very big -and blatantly obvious- decisions in the last two prem weekends bottled by refs who are either completely inept, too weak or just plain corrupt.
The ref, who made a huge mistake in the Brentford - Burnley match, is the same ref, who made the mistake in the Liverpool-Tottenham match. I still can not believe how he thought that Collins was offside at the goal, when it is so clear that he was miles onside. A huge mistake by the ref and VAR
You'd have to look at every yellow though, surely?
If you're only reviewing the second then you have to consider whether the first was actually a yellow too.
Yeah that's the problem and it would make the game unwatchable. Was more ranting tbh, but seeing these spineless pricks bottle it at Anfield while gleefully brandishing reds against Casemiro for example will never not be annoying.
They just couldn't bring themselves to admit it was a piss poor decision because it went against United.
Suppose you could make it so a potential second yellow is reviewed alongside the first booking, but as you say, it would be bordering on unwatchable at that point.
That is a horrible decision.
If it is deflected which it is, there is no way that should be a penalty.
Brentford had a goal disallowed today because of an offside that was 100% onside. Their number 22, Collins, is the one that VAR cheks for offside. He is the one, who makes the assist.
Pause the video at 1 second, when the ball is hit (from what we can see).
Brentford has 3 players offside, and Ajer is engaged with a player while offside. Only thinking here is that Ajer has made this Burnley player irrelevant in terms of the overall play, so the offside line goes from Collins's right foot, which you can see between the 2 players on the bottom of the screen....is marginal offside.
Clearly Collins is onside, but it kinda looks like the Brentford player who was offside was interfering with the Burnley player at the back post.
Can see why that would be given, but it's baffling why they were checking Collins if that's the case.
There's more interference here than if you compare the McTominay/Scotland free kick goal v Spain....yet both were ruled out for offsides
Have a feeling we'll get some sort of injustice tonight. Gary Neville blows everything out of proportion as well.
Let's see the media reaction to Sanchez jumpiing into Jesus then. I'll bring the popcorn.
Why is that from Sanchez not getting reviewed like Onana against Wolves?
Another example of keepers being too protected. A player brushes off a keeper while he's jumping for a ball, instant free kick.
A keeper fecking launches himself into a player's head, half a mile from the ball. Play on.
I hate keepers.
A keeper fecking launches himself into a player's head, half a mile from the ball. Play on.
I hate keepers.
That penalty was a joke, if that was a Sheff Utd player at the other end there is no way it would have been given.
But we would be shouting for the pen
It wasn't a blatant pen and the ref should've left it for VAR. Once he points to the spot VAR is basically useless.
I just wish they'd enforce the handball rule the weeks when our opponents play basketball.
Its funny because the palace player had a decade to get out of the way and it wasn't deemed a handball. Amazing 
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LiterallyIts funny because the palace player had a decade to get out of the way and it wasn't deemed a handball. Amazing
Mctomminey is handball, alright. Didn't take long for Oliver to give it but they pretended Romero's one never happened.
what the point saying sorry when you keep making the same mistake
what the point saying sorry when you keep making the same mistake
The more handballs you see given as penalties, the more baffling that Spurs non-handball decision gets.
And it was already pretty baffling
And it was already pretty baffling
Sheffield United's penalty was the correct call from the ref. To be honest, I thought Michael Oliver had a pretty flawless game yesterday. Didn't have a lot to do but got pretty much every decision spot on.
Side note that's more about the commentary than the refs: I was unreasonably pissed off at the fact that they were trying so hard to make that Maguire incident a thing. That sort of challenge happens week-in-week-out and nobody bats an eyelid, but as soon as it's us suddenly the commentators are saying it should've been given.
This was doubly frustrating because, a few minutes later when Brewster checked Amrabat from behind whilst Amrabat actually had control of the ball, the commentators made some snide comment about it being "a shoulder charge back in the day" and implying that it shouldn't have been a foul.
I don't at all believe in any refereeing conspiracy nonsense, but I do think the media treat any incidents that happen in our games very differently to any other side.
Side note that's more about the commentary than the refs: I was unreasonably pissed off at the fact that they were trying so hard to make that Maguire incident a thing. That sort of challenge happens week-in-week-out and nobody bats an eyelid, but as soon as it's us suddenly the commentators are saying it should've been given.
This was doubly frustrating because, a few minutes later when Brewster checked Amrabat from behind whilst Amrabat actually had control of the ball, the commentators made some snide comment about it being "a shoulder charge back in the day" and implying that it shouldn't have been a foul.
I don't at all believe in any refereeing conspiracy nonsense, but I do think the media treat any incidents that happen in our games very differently to any other side.
Agree, the Amrabat one was not a shoulder to shoulder at any time.