VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

Berbasbullet said:
Agree, the Amrabat one was not a shoulder to shoulder at any time.
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Absolutely. It was an obvious foul.

Reminded me of that absolute nonsense we saw last season in our game against Arsenal at Old Trafford, whereby a big song and dance was made about their goal being correctly disallowed because Ødegaard fouled Eriksen in the build up. That got to the point where PGMOL even said they made a mistake with the outrageous reasoning that "It was probably a foul but it wasn't clear and obvious enough, so the on field decision should have stood".

It's pretty frustrating because I'm pretty sure that the refs do react to the media pressure, and that media pressure always swings the way of excessively scrutinising every decision that goes in our favour.
 
Mmm-Qatarian said:
Absolutely. It was an obvious foul.

Reminded me of that absolute nonsense we saw last season in our game against Arsenal at Old Trafford, whereby a big song and dance was made about their goal being correctly disallowed because Ødegaard fouled Eriksen in the build up. That got to the point where PGMOL even said they made a mistake with the outrageous reasoning that "It was probably a foul but it wasn't clear and obvious enough, so the on field decision should have stood".

It's pretty frustrating because I'm pretty sure that the refs do react to the media pressure, and that media pressure always swings the way of excessively scrutinising every decision that goes in our favour.
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I genuinely can't believe how much scrutiny that one got! Arsenal fans with their faux outrage. Eriksen was comfortable on the ball and he got mullered from behind :lol: not remotely controversial to disallow.
 
Mmm-Qatarian said:
Sheffield United's penalty was the correct call from the ref. To be honest, I thought Michael Oliver had a pretty flawless game yesterday. Didn't have a lot to do but got pretty much every decision spot on.

Side note that's more about the commentary than the refs: I was unreasonably pissed off at the fact that they were trying so hard to make that Maguire incident a thing. That sort of challenge happens week-in-week-out and nobody bats an eyelid, but as soon as it's us suddenly the commentators are saying it should've been given.

This was doubly frustrating because, a few minutes later when Brewster checked Amrabat from behind whilst Amrabat actually had control of the ball, the commentators made some snide comment about it being "a shoulder charge back in the day" and implying that it shouldn't have been a foul.

I don't at all believe in any refereeing conspiracy nonsense, but I do think the media treat any incidents that happen in our games very differently to any other side.
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Yes those commentators were something else... Also when that Maguire ''penalty'' moment was long gone and other things had been talked about by the commentators one of them actually said something like ''to go back to the Maguire moment'' to talk about that it had to be a penalty. I noticed the shoulder barge thing too indeed. Commentators seemed very biased.

About the referees and VAR people. They make mistakes but it makes me 'cringe' a little when i read some posts on this forum about referees and the conspiracy. Yes the Kontate should have gotten a second yellow card and the referee messed up but there is also a reason that Klopp is talking about replaying the Spurs game because the VAR messed up in Spurs favour there. Liverpool doesnt get all the help from referees.

Michael Oliver gave a penalty to Sheffield and made the correct call. Some posters have to come up with that Oliver is a Newcastle fan and only gave that penalty because Newcastle would gain an advantage from Manchester United dropping points. No, Oliver gave that penalty because it was the correct call.

I do agree that Manchester United have been unlucky with decision overall this year. The Spurs game for example but i dont think that is some ''ABU'' thing, i just think the referees arent very good at all. They make mistakes all the time and we were just on the unlucky end a few times.
 
Can someone give me the highlights of the media outrage on Sanchez flattening Jesus while not getting the ball?
 
Morpheus 7 said:
It's a pen, lack of consistency with VAR though. How did we not get a pen against Spurs if this is given.
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The difference is there wasn't a media shit storm in the week leading up to LIverpool's game, with pundits frothing at the mouth that Liverpool benefitted from a 50/50 VAR decision. Resulting in the match officials being demoted and suspended, influencing the officials in the next game to be reluctant to give them a VAR decision.
 
Hester_manc said:
Brentford had a goal disallowed today because of an offside that was 100% onside. Their number 22, Collins, is the one that VAR cheks for offside. He is the one, who makes the assist.

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That game should be replayed.
 
Anustart89 said:
Can someone give me the highlights of the media outrage on Sanchez flattening Jesus while not getting the ball?
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Forget the media outrage the very fact that it wasn't given as a penalty even after a VAR check tells you everything you need to know. Rightly or wrongly those sort of incidents don't get given as penalties.

The only genuine Referee error in our opening games is the failure to give handball against Romero against spurs. All similar incidents since have been given. We should as a club publicly present this evidence to the PGMOL and ask for an explanation as to why the handball wasn't given and where our apology is.
 
Stadjer said:
Yes those commentators were something else... Also when that Maguire ''penalty'' moment was long gone and other things had been talked about by the commentators one of them actually said something like ''to go back to the Maguire moment'' to talk about that it had to be a penalty. I noticed the shoulder barge thing too indeed. Commentators seemed very biased.

About the referees and VAR people. They make mistakes but it makes me 'cringe' a little when i read some posts on this forum about referees and the conspiracy. Yes the Kontate should have gotten a second yellow card and the referee messed up but there is also a reason that Klopp is talking about replaying the Spurs game because the VAR messed up in Spurs favour there. Liverpool doesnt get all the help from referees.

Michael Oliver gave a penalty to Sheffield and made the correct call. Some posters have to come up with that Oliver is a Newcastle fan and only gave that penalty because Newcastle would gain an advantage from Manchester United dropping points. No, Oliver gave that penalty because it was the correct call.

I do agree that Manchester United have been unlucky with decision overall this year. The Spurs game for example but i dont think that is some ''ABU'' thing, i just think the referees arent very good at all. They make mistakes all the time and we were just on the unlucky end a few times.
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Whilst I agree with what you’re saying regarding the whole conspiracy theories every time a decision is given against us, and refs are very poor - I do think refs are extra careful when giving anything for us - and that’s caused by the media.

Every time there is a decision given in our favour there is a media storm (City last year, Wolves this year). Any decision that is against us that may not be correct gets ignored. I do believe that most refs want to avoid the spotlight as much as possible, and that has to be at the back of their minds when they make decisions.
 
Jeppers7 said:
It’s identical really to ours v wolves only the keeper is jumping forwards not sideways.
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Yeah more of a head-on collision which obviously reduces the forces involved and makes an injury less likely, according to the laws of physics (PGMOL interpretation).
 
Hester_manc said:
Brentford had a goal disallowed today because of an offside that was 100% onside. Their number 22, Collins, is the one that VAR cheks for offside. He is the one, who makes the assist.

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Sky Sports' Dermot Gallagher discussing Neal Maupay's disallowed goal against Burnley on Ref Watch:
"There's a lot of moving parts and I couldn't understand why it was disallowed.
"But then someone from the VAR hub pointed out that if you look a the bottom of the scree, Ajer pulls back Foster, impacting his ability to clear.
"So it's a really good spot because it's very difficult."

The replay shows it quite clearly, but for me it's incredibly harsh as Lyle Foster is some distance away and on the wrong side of Collins as well, there's no way he's going to be anywhere near clearing it.
 
NotChatGPT said:
Sky Sports' Dermot Gallagher discussing Neal Maupay's disallowed goal against Burnley on Ref Watch:
"There's a lot of moving parts and I couldn't understand why it was disallowed.
"But then someone from the VAR hub pointed out that if you look a the bottom of the scree, Ajer pulls back Foster, impacting his ability to clear.
"So it's a really good spot because it's very difficult."

The replay shows it quite clearly, but for me it's incredibly harsh as Lyle Foster is some distance away and on the wrong side of Collins as well, there's no way he's going to be anywhere near clearing it.
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On the screen it said that the goal was disallowed because of offside on Collins. But either they wrote the wrong reason on the screen or they made a huge mistake about the offside.
 
Strange implementation of VAR tonight. I'd accept it if he was offside but you must show the lines.
 
Looked as much contact by McTominay as there was by their keeper on Rashford.
 
Disgrace to give that penalty. Probably just wanted to make his mark as he will never referee again for blowing before 45 in the first half
 
Sick and tired of refs giving us nothing and every 50/50 decision going to our opponents. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.
 
That was never in a million years a penalty.

He didn't make any contact, so it was just a High foot, and High foot is an indirect free kick.
 
Were there any replays of the Rashford offside in the first half? Looked on I thought, and the keeper sliding in like that could easily have been off.
 
Awful. We all know with what Mike Dean said recently that VAR will just back the on pitch ref to no ends too. Was no way it was ever getting overturned.

Thankfully Onana is the man.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
That was never in a million years a penalty.

He didn't make any contact, so it was just a High foot, and High foot is an indirect free kick.
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It would fall under reckless play. I’ve no issue with that being a penalty but as always it’s about consistency.
 
I hate to be a conspiracy theorist but the sheer volume of decisions we have turned down only for ridiculous decisions to be called instantly at the other end it’s getting harder and harder to think there isn’t some political or financial influence at play in the background.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
High foot has always been an indirect free kick unless the rule has changed recently?
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Can’t even score from a free kick with it


The high boot rule exists to protect players against the dire consequences of such risky moves.

Referees penalise the move through indirect free kicks and may also sanction the defaulting player with a red/yellow card depending on the context.
 
acnumber9 said:
It would fall under reckless play. I’ve no issue with that being a penalty but as always it’s about consistency.
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Same. If someone wants to argue those sort of incidents should be fouls then that's no issue, but they so regularly aren't.
 
One of the worst refereeing displays I can remember. The bit where he randomly changed his mind as we were lining up for the corner was a highlight.
 
Midway through second half Hojlund was clearly shoved in the box. A stonewaller. Incident went up to VAR, nothing given.
 
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