Instead of "Check complete", they should say "offside" or "onside". Would avoid so much confusion
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The VAR guys sounded so incompetent. They should have just let the replay operator handle it. The guy who is probably paid the least out of the lot of them sounded like the only one who knew what an absolute bollock they dropped while the others are all..... 'great mate, yeh mate, thanks mate, offside, goal, yeh........ oh ****'
Maybe, I’m not sure.
“Check complete, goal stands”
The thing that strikes me about this is... Why don't these lot just talk to each other like normal feckin human beings? Why do they think they're in the army and one of them is in Vietnam? Genuinely if you put "Roger" or "Over" after each sentence it would not like out of place
You were adamant that garnacho was offside, i pointed out that the frame used when they released the ball was wrong with fa rules that you dismissed and now we’ve heard that var will choose or look for best angles to draw the lines that you’re still dismissing. I guess some people just hate to admit they were wrong when they were being so dismissively correct, albeit wrongly.
Really don’t understand why some think the way they’re talking is Alien. Sounds pretty normal to me for a regimented practice.
VAR Check complete, check complete. That's fine, perfect (showing Diaz is clearly onside). Off.
Referee: Cheers mate
VAR: Thank you mate
Referee. Well done boys. Good process
Yeah, that's how people usually converse.
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The example they use is that the correct bodypart isn't visible at one angle, so they use another one where it is.
This is what I said, they are supposed to use the frame from the point the ball is played but on the Garnacho one against Arsenal you can clearly see they didnt and being just 1 frame out either way can make a big difference.
Ive seen images that show Garnacho was onside.
Those are just excuses for not putting line when the first contact is taken in pass sequence. They drew lines when ball was under way. Why is that? Maybe it have something to do with a certain team?
Garnacho is onside and we should demand recordings from that game, including recodrings from Tottenham and Crystal Palace games where we lost. Not because our opponents were better teams. But because of some crazy decisions.
What bunch of morons 
It’s actually a joke. Why would you say off if you meant onside?
Pretty basic stuff to say goal stands, onside, or something that doesn’t confuse the referees. So basic it’s a joke they can’t get it right.
I'm talking with someone about how angles are used, contact with the ball is completely irrelevant here and a different conversation.
I don't understand the 'off' bit. They all clearly thought he was onside. So why say 'off'. Strange.
It can't be beyond them to say it properly. For the sake of ambiguity they could say the goal should stand and the score is now 1-0 or whatever. Too much fluff around on/off and should or shouldn't.
I don't mind the "jargon" so much, but the fact that they're using all of these in-house phrases without having a proper protocol for how decisions are communicated is baffling. You hear the audio for the rugby and cricket video or technology reviews and the communication process is so clear.
Every single review should start with an explanation of what is being checked, and details of the player(s) involved, and should end with a confirmation that the on-field decision is to stand, or be overturned.
Ref: On-field decision is offside against Liverpool number seven - goal disallowed. Check requested for offside against Liverpool number seven.
VAR: Checking for offside against Liverpool number seven. [...] Check complete. No offside. On-field decision overturned. Goal can stand.
That audio clip is fecking delightful . The scousers are going to be raging so hard
. The scousers are going to be raging so hardThat audio clip is fecking delightful
As frustrating as the ineptness is the fact it's happend to the scouse cnuts makes it extremely funny at the same time.
Of course it matters though. The guy controlling the line moved it up to the defenders foot to the point he believes is furthest back. That point can easily be manipulated by the angle used.
It's imperative the correct angle is used.
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I actually see this is effectively what you've said.
I thought everyone was arguing point 2 but I could be mistaken
Nah, it was not a close call. If it is a close call, they will look much closer at the kick point.
It’s an example. That doesn’t prove that the angle they choose to draw the lines from doesn’t make a difference.
I think that's because it was so obvious that they did not need to perform multiple checks from multiple angles. It wasn't even close to being offside.
The issue is they misunderstood what had happened on the pitch.
Of course it doesn't prove that, because what you're quoting is about something different.
They use 3d-mapping, and the cameras are calibrated so that which camera or which angle doesn't matter. You can see it briefly described under the paragraph "Pitch camber". The first paragraph about calibrated cameras, which is what your article is referencing, says: " Before each match, Hawk-Eye calibrates multiple cameras to give many options when showing an offside decision in the event that a body part is covered in one camera."
Ok but will the angle chosen not influence where they put the lines?
I'm curious if technology is there to investigate and invest that would create a 3D box map around the pitch to say 7-8 feet high, or maybe crossbar height. Then something that allows the ball to transmit to the 3D box map and perhaps a chip/something on the player somewhere, per say the shirt or shorts that would allow for video to capture a player's silhouette to then see where feet, legs, heads, etc. are placed on such tight calls.
Perhaps roving/stationed cameras on each side of the pitch box that tracks along with the play so that any given moment a sideline 3D view is available.
And add a second on-field ref so that one is always with/in front of play and the other is behind play. Adding an additional official cleaned up the NHL imo.
Audio is pure comedy. Dumb and dumber.
Not if they click on the same bodypart. As said repeatedly, if a bad angle makes them choose the wrong player, or the correct player but wrong bodypart, then yes, it will of course result in a different line. In that sense the angle is important.
So the angle chosen matters. Finally
I'd hope so too. But what are you basing this on other than clearly they should?
You are aware that cameras don't work every time. Go back to last year with Saka scoring goal against Liverpool or Wovles being denied clear goal against Liverpool because of lack of camera.
Garnacho was onside. That is why we need recordings and transparency.
Yes, finally . Just admit your condescending attitude of it being definitely offside was wrong. You didn’t know the rules of when they should freeze the camera and refuse to acknowledge the multiple posters saying the camera angles mattered. Got there in the end.
So the choice of angle used has a material impact on whether a player is offside or not?
Omg the audio is so fecking funny. We live in such a stupid world and it’s amazing.
Yes, in the choice of which players and which bodyparts to use. If the judges are unsure, they can also try different bodyparts, but with a good angle that's usually not necessary.
Both me and @sullydnl said several times that camera angles are important for this function, so you already know that I of course acknowledge this. Why are you asking as if you don't?
Some people prefer to oversimplify to “win” arguments.
For example, let’s say a handball is given against a player because his arm is judged to be in an unnatural position, for the purpose of that aspect of the handball law, intent doesn’t matter. But for other aspects of judging handball, intent very much does matter.
So when it comes to handball, does intent matter? Reducing that down to a yes/no question makes no sense.
It’s the same with the camera angle when it comes to offsides.
Pages of moaning about a close offside call that didn’t go your way weeks ago feels a little small-time. Before VAR, to keep harping on about a marginal call a month later would be unheard of.
They better start realeasing the audio for every decision from here on out. OR they are now determining when they think it should be released? That doesn’t seem fair to everyone in the league.