VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

Example one million for why the "letter of the law" is a stupid argument when discussing these situations.

This referee happened to have enough common sense not to ruin the match by sending off Szoboslai for a bit of foolishness that had no impact on anything, despite it being an obvious second yellow card infraction by the rules.

 
Powderfinger said:
Example one million for why the "letter of the law" is a stupid argument when discussing these situations.

This referee happened to have enough common sense not to ruin the match by sending off Szoboslai for a bit of foolishness that had no impact on anything, despite it being an obvious second yellow card infraction by the rules.

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It's not for the referee to 'not ruin the match'. That's on the player to follow simple rules and not get himself sent off
 
Powderfinger said:
Example one million for why the "letter of the law" is a stupid argument when discussing these situations.

This referee happened to have enough common sense not to ruin the match by sending off Szoboslai for a bit of foolishness that had no impact on anything, despite it being an obvious second yellow card infraction by the rules.

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Good to see that we got two yellows for exactly the same thing today………
Took one match for the inconsistency to show itself.
 
ItDoesntEvenMata said:
It's not for the referee to 'not ruin the match'. That's on the player to follow simple rules and not get himself sent off
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If you enforce all these "simple rules," most games end with 9 players on each team, having each also had 2-3 penalties for fouls in the box on set pieces. Riveting stuff.
 
Powderfinger said:
If you enforce all these "simple rules," most games end with 9 players on each team, having each also had 2-3 penalties for fouls in the box on set pieces. Riveting stuff.
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If you enforce all the simple rules, players will stop cheating and the game will be a lot better.
 
Powderfinger said:
If you enforce all these "simple rules," most games end with 9 players on each team, having each also had 2-3 penalties for fouls in the box on set pieces. Riveting stuff.
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Yep, sounds great! Then we'll actually see a game of football after a few weeks of sweating the small stuff.
 
Withnail said:
I'm concerned Arsenal fans will never let this Rice yellow card go. It's ridiculous how much they're whining about it.
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It's the scandal of the century and the biggest injustice to happen to a club in recent years, if you ignore all of the other clubs who have received bigger injustices.
 
Anthony Taylor is a blight on this league he shouldnt be anywhere near officiating at this level

As I don’t get many posts for reference the battle of bridge has a total of 12 yellows and was a filthy match compared to this game.
 
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Ferrers said:
Anthony Taylor is a blight on this league he shouldnt be anywhere near officiating at this level

As I don’t get many posts for reference the battle of bridge has a total of 12 yellows and was a filthy match compared to this game.
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Maybe the worst ref in the league. He’s an absolute disgrace.
 
Withnail said:
Taylor going for the PL yellow card record.

And he gets it! Good man
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He’s a fecking idiot. Suffers from a severe case of main character syndrome. I hate watching any game he officiates.
 
WeePat said:
He’s a fecking idiot. Suffers from a severe case of main character syndrome. I hate watching any game he officiates.
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Aye, he went full Mike Dean/Lahoz today.

Completely average game from a fouling/dirtiness standpoint and he just arbitrarily decided he was going to produce more fecking cards than Hallmark.
 
Powderfinger said:
Example one million for why the "letter of the law" is a stupid argument when discussing these situations.

This referee happened to have enough common sense not to ruin the match by sending off Szoboslai for a bit of foolishness that had no impact on anything, despite it being an obvious second yellow card infraction by the rules.

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The referees aren't there to create entertaining spectacles as some sort of theatrical director. They are there to objectively enforce rules. The current rules state it is a yellow card offence. Their most recent interpretative guidelines indicates discretion should not be given for this particular type of unsporting conduct.

The idea that officials are there to manufacture the drama and ensure matches remain entertaining, contrary to a true application of the laws of the game is a slippery slope. F1 is a perfect example with Michael Masi in Abu Dhabi 2021.

If EPL/FA/PMGOL/IFAB believe it is disproportionately affecting sporting outcomes, they can change the rules. It is not the job of referees to do so, ad hoc, which creates the arbitrariness.
 
Garnacho's Shoelaces said:
The referees aren't there to create entertaining spectacles as some sort of theatrical director. They are there to objectively enforce rules. The current rules state it is a yellow card offence. Their most recent interpretative guidelines indicates discretion should not be given for this particular type of unsporting conduct.

The idea that officials are there to manufacture the drama and ensure matches remain entertaining, contrary to a true application of the laws of the game is a slippery slope. F1 is a perfect example with Michael Masi in Abu Dhabi 2021.

If EPL/FA/PMGOL/IFAB believe it is disproportionately affecting sporting outcomes, they can change the rules. It is not the job of referees to do so, ad hoc, which creates the arbitrariness.
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Sadly, “objectively enforcing rules” is only a limited part of a referee’s job. It has always been that way, and always will.

Given that subjective interpretation is inevitable, better to err on the side of (a) staying as consistent as possible and (b) letting players decide matches rather than making yourself the main character. This isn’t rocket science.
 
imonkmc said:
High challenge but think harsh red
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Red Card every day. Studs in knee. He was lucky not to connect when Garnacho leg was on the ground. Otherwise we would sit here and talk about how many months it would take to repair his knee.
 
Doracle said:
If you enforce all the simple rules, players will stop cheating and the game will be a lot better.
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Been saying this for years, punish time wasting, play acting, kicking the ball away and enforce the 6 second rule on keepers.

Players and coaches would soon get fed up of being booked and they wouldn't be long cutting it out.
 
I couldn't have the sound on, so I missed the commentary with the Bournemouth pen, but why wasn't it a red? Was it deemed a genuine attempt to play the ball?
 
Lash said:
I couldn't have the sound on, so I missed the commentary with the Bournemouth pen, but why wasn't it a red? Was it deemed a genuine attempt to play the ball?
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I think it was the right call. Keeper closes down the attacker in good faith before he gets to the ball. It would be a red for me had, after the attacker lobs him, he stuck his arms out or tripped him as a deliberate move.
 
Gio said:
I think it was the right call. Keeper closes down the attacker in good faith before he gets to the ball. It would be a red for me had, after the attacker lobs him, he stuck his arms out or tripped him as a deliberate move.
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Yeah, I would agree. Keeper can't really go anywhere and can't give a red to disincentivise keepers coming out for those. Was interested to see what the reasoning was and where the line is drawn on the genuine attempt part.
 
Powderfinger said:
If you enforce all these "simple rules," most games end with 9 players on each team, having each also had 2-3 penalties for fouls in the box on set pieces. Riveting stuff.
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Yeah, I’m sure managers and owners will back their players for being braindead, getting carded/banned and being paid huge money per week for sitting on their arses… especially when they lose their next match with a couple of first XI players out.

If kicking the ball away was a ref call, I’d say the Rice ref was OTT. It’s not.
 
Lash said:
I couldn't have the sound on, so I missed the commentary with the Bournemouth pen, but why wasn't it a red? Was it deemed a genuine attempt to play the ball?
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I don't think that's even a foul. Sanchez doesn't have to get out of the way and he just stands there, attacker runs in to him, not on him to let him past... Can say he's trying to save the ball, by standing there, and therefore an attempt to play it. Pretty terrible call, but I can also see why they didn't VAR it.

Justice done with the save.
 
Mb194dc said:
I don't think that's even a foul. Sanchez doesn't have to get out of the way and he just stands there, attacker runs in to him, not on him to let him past... Can say he's trying to save the ball, by standing there, and therefore an attempt to play it. Pretty terrible call, but I can also see why they didn't VAR it.

Justice done with the save.
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The only ones thinking it's not a pen and that keepers should be able to challenge for the ball, not get near it, while impeding an attacker are Chelsea fans. Funny that.
 
Mb194dc said:
I don't think that's even a foul. Sanchez doesn't have to get out of the way and he just stands there, attacker runs in to him, not on him to let him past... Can say he's trying to save the ball, by standing there, and therefore an attempt to play it. Pretty terrible call, but I can also see why they didn't VAR it.

Justice done with the save.
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...what? That is as stonewall a penalty as you will ever see.

Loathe as I am to credit Taylor with anything yellow is the right decision. Sanchez made a genuine attempt and wasn't cynical or dangerous about stopping Evanilson, just late.
 
Why didn't Timber get a second yellow in the aftermath there? Arsenal players getting away with murder game after game.
 
There was no reason to bring Gillett to England. A poor ref with an ego.
 
Garnacho's Shoelaces said:
Timber on Vicario was identical to Casemiro on Hughes (straight red and 3 match ban). Both grabbed opponents by the collar.

Arsenal fans still got their tin foil hats on or...?
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Case got 2 reds (against Palace and Saints) and 7 matches in bans for the exact same two things Timber got one yellow for there.
 
Samid said:
Case got 2 reds (against Palace and Saints) and 7 matches in bans for the exact same two things Timber got one yellow for there.
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Not only that. So called experts talked about that it was right but now when it is other team, it is ref doing correct job. We know how media works when it comes to us.
 
Samid said:
Case got 2 reds (against Palace and Saints) and 7 matches in bans for the exact same two things Timber got one yellow for there.
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9 matches lost if you include the games he was sent off in for two offences which amount to a yellow card today. Wildly inconsistent interpretation, yet Arsenal are the victims of this apparently because their player got booked for an irrefutable yellow card offence.
 
How long are we going to bringing up Case's red cards? It was two seasons ago, and I'm pretty sure rules has changed in that time as well as how VAR should intervene. It makes little sense to complain about incosistencies in incidents spanning a couple of seasons.
 
CoopersDream said:
How are we going to bringing up Case's red cards? It was two seasons ago, and I'm pretty sure rules has changed in that time as well as how VAR should intervene. It makes little sense to complain about incosistencies in incidents spanning a couple of seasons.
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What relevant rule has changed since?
 
CoopersDream said:
How long are we going to bringing up Case's red cards? It was two seasons ago, and I'm pretty sure rules has changed in that time as well as how VAR should intervene. It makes little sense to complain about incosistencies in incidents spanning a couple of seasons.
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I kinda empathise.

Though it is funny to see a complaint about decisions from two seasons ago on the same page as Gooners being laughed at for complaining about a decision from two weeks ago.
 
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