Hand rule needs to change ASAP. They,need to give clear rule about what is hand and what is not
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Unless you want the rule to be "if the ball touches an arm it's handball" (hint: you don't) then you'll be waiting a long time given the amount of situations that can result in the ball striking a hand or an arm.
It is quite clear mate. It's explained quite simply in this video below. Watch from 1:02.
Referees should have way more discretion. It's meant to be deliberate handball, gaining an advantage.
Not if the balls blasted at you from a foot away. Some sense needed.
Not if the balls blasted at you from a foot away. Some sense needed.
Agree with this, thought the Maguire one would be given though.
When i was a kid and these days on 5-a-side football we never had problems with that. If hand is not close to the body, it is a penalty. Simple.
You are clumsy (Dalot today)? Your problem.
Bad luck (Maguire today); It is again your problem.
I know, i know, that would mean a lot of penalties but i would rather have clear (stupid?) rule than this what we have now. Nobody fecking knows anymore what is handball for penalty and what is not.
They already have. Just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t mean it is to change
No they didn't. Even Čeferin talked about that few days ago and said that he will create a task group to solve that rule for good.
In that interview he said that even he doesn't understand current rule. And he is a bloody Uefa boss.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/handball-rules-uefa-aleksander-ceferin-29637256
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It’s the sort of penalty I’d want if it was against us. And would be fuming with if we didn’t get....but 9/10 we wouldn’t get that.
I do not understand the handball rule anymore. They’ve massively over complicated it. But I was hugely surprised that Maguire one wasn’t given.
I believe Maguire was already on a yellow and therefore probably would have been sent off if the ref that pen?
It wasn’t a penalty but, even if it somehow had been given, it wasn’t a yellow card. The handball rule is extremely poor currently but it still doesn’t mean the ball hitting an arm is always a free kick.
Looked like a pen to me, not gonna lie.
Why would an accidental handball be a yellow card?
We're welcome but we're guests, no point in moaning about any criticism towards an opposition club, as a United forum of course they're going to take any and all opportunities to take potshots, surely you didn't come on here expecting anything less.
They're hard enough on themselves which is only fair. Take it as it is intended, as competition or you'll get very bitter, very fast. I still think it's the best fans forum to be on.
We're welcome but we're guests, no point in moaning about any criticism towards an opposition club, as a United forum of course they're going to take any and all opportunities to take potshots, surely you didn't come on here expecting anything less.
They're hard enough on themselves which is only fair. Take it as it is intended, as competition or you'll get very bitter, very fast. I still think it's the best fans forum to be on.
To be fair I think the majority of opposition fans on here are great, I also think it's a penalty yesterday for Maguire and we were fortunate for it not to be given, I don't think it's a second yellow though as it's clearly not intentional.
Have they changed the handball rule midseason? Dont think it should be a pen as it’s accidental, but Haaland was given a similar non intentional one, where I was thinking “jesus, that shouldnt be a pen”.
Half of fouls are accidental. Player goes on ball and catches other player. If foul is harsh he gets a card.
Harry was clumsy (had bad luck) but he did stopped the ball and potential goal chance. If that was a penalty then it would be second yellow.
Being clumsy or having bad luck is not and can't be excuse for players.
He didn’t stop a goal chance, there wasn’t a Forest player near him.
I actually thought it was a penalty at first but the camera angle from behind Harry shows it clearly comes off his head on to his arm so I think under the currrent laws of the game it isnt a penalty.
His arm is in a natural position and the ball hits it accidentally. He isn’t blocking a shot on goal so the silhouette thing is irrelevant. It’s just not a handball.
Even had it been deemed handball because they (wrongly) considered his body position to be unnatural, then it’s clearly not a booking. It’s not a deliberate handball. Note than Antonio didn’t get booked for his either (correctly given under the current rules).
Cooper going off on one after the match about it was a bit bizarre. Felt like a clear attempt to deflect attention away from a fairly woeful performance by Forest.
There was literally player behind him who was going to head a ball
The interpretation of handball laws have changed virtually every week this season!
Cooper's pathetic comments are the mark of a desparate man clutching at straws, in a vain attempt to ignore how Forest were outplayed by United.
Cooper's pathetic comments are the mark of a desparate man clutching at straws, in a vain attempt to ignore how Forest were outplayed by United.
No he’s not. He’s nowhere near the ball and it’s taking the ball of Martial more than anything.
the ball drops to 5 foot off the ground, nobody is heading that ball
There should be a level of intent, accidental handballs should not be punished.
That was pretty much the way it was, before they started dicking about with unnatural positions, silhouettes and all that shite. With VAR they should really be able to determine some sort of intent.
If you jump for a header, you have to move your arms to jump properly, is there a scientific model to determine where your arms should be? Probably not, well not one that includes every possible position.
Same as if your moving or sliding to block a ball, there's not set position your arms should be in.
So, what's a natural position and movement and what is not changes from player to player and in every motion and moment.
What's not natural is trying to move, slide and jump with your arms tucked behind your back.
I’d love it if someone struck a player’s hand from the side as he did the arms behind the back defending thing and the ref gave the handball for unnatural position.
The most blatant handball you will ever see in the lead up to Liverpool’s goal vs Leeds just now. You will never see a more obvious hand to ball.
VAR doesn’t get involved though. It’s saved for super important decisions, like ruling out quality goals because someone has an arse hair offside.
VAR doesn’t get involved though. It’s saved for super important decisions, like ruling out quality goals because someone has an arse hair offside.
Not like Liverpool to be getting away with one.
Handball rule changes from game to game again.
He even moves his elbow in the direction to move the ball. Impressive refereeing.
Hadn't had a shot on target before that goal. Now they're 2-0 up. Decisions like that suck the life out of a team.
How has VAR been allowed to make shite of the handball rule like this? Goals disallowed for clearly accidental ball to hand. But deliberate hand to ball in the build up and they’re not interested. Absolute bollox. The whole thing.
Honestly, I don't think the refs know the rules.
no point watching any more of this
Absolutely ridiculous, was 100% certain it's a handball after one replay.
Too far back in the build up. 2 passes and less than 4 seconds. Too far back.
It was an awful decision by the referee on the pitch too. But he’s human and doesn’t have the benefit of replays. I can live with that. What I can’t live with is this poxy fecking technology being foisted on us and joke decisions like that not being corrected. Fecking piss take.
I remember us getting a goal disallowed v Burnley when Shaw made a foul just outside our area and then we countered and scored.
Yeah I remember. Just making it up aren't they.
We scored against Spurs a few years ago and it was disallowed because of a "foul" from Mctominay on Son right at the start of the buildup to the goal.
Bizarre.