The referee was right to let play go on and leave it to VAR in case it wasn’t a hand ball as VAR will surely rectify it.
VAR was right not to overrule the referee’s on field decision because he clearly saw it and decided not to act.
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The referee was right to let play go on and leave it to VAR in case it wasn’t a hand ball as VAR will surely rectify it.
VAR was right not to overrule the referee’s on field decision because he clearly saw it and decided not to act.
How the feck was the handball "too early" in the move when the guy who handballed it is the one who gets the assist about 3 seconds later?
That's utter nonsense.
That's utter nonsense.
The only thing I'm interested in is what is being said between referees and VAR officials. But as long as we have 0 transparency we will never know.
I'll never get bored with saying mic and cams on referees and VAR room are important.
I'll never get bored with saying mic and cams on referees and VAR room are important.
Wrong. The referee should have allowed play to go and once the ball goes into the net, give his decision on the handball. His lack of decision making allowed the goal to be given, Webb has set the bar so high it won’t overturn much
Football is so corrupt. It's different rules for different teams. Simple as that.
Just shocking. Makes no sense. So harmful to the game.
This is the handball. Maybe he was too close to Firpo or something? Seems like a blatant handball to me. Regardless Niall Quinn (I think it's Niall Quinn) is clearly too blind or to biassed to commentate. (It's Jim Beglin). feck off Jim Beglin.
What the?! I'm so confused...
Jim Beglin is one the most biased commentators out there, some embarrassing shit coming out of him today.
Bruno got a yellow card for far less.
Is that who it is. For some reason thought it was Niall Quinn.
So what’s happened to gaining an advantage from a handball? That’s crazy it hasn’t been overruled.
Wenger has just said the goal should have been disallowed.
Seriously when is this joke of a system going to be scrapped.
Seriously when is this joke of a system going to be scrapped.
Carragher's explanation is disgustingly bias as well. Hilarious really. Just say you got away with one.
Yes TAA clean sheet gone at least.
Beglin played for both Liverpool and Leeds, but is always biased in favour of Liverpool.
But they're going to spend three minutes on this obvious offside now. Jesus christ they're such morons.
I thought they were gonna stop caring and just give it there.
Agree completely. I can understand the ref as it happens quickly, although the linesman must had had a big sneeze to not capture that. For VAR, there's absolutely no excuse. I mean, it's not as if the ball just ricochets off of him. He actively moves the elbow forward. If it's by instinct or not, but there's a clear advantage gained by it. Incredible.
That must have been the most obvious offside this side of WWII. Probably, they were playing around with angles to see if they could make it work, but even a 45 degree angle wasn't enough.
Well, most obvious since...
You know that was horrendous, obviously, but tonight probably pips it. It was the way that Trent actually batted the ball a yard or two ahead of him, to take it in his stride, that made it such an outrageous piss take.
We've got Anthony Taylor again for the Spurs game.
What the actual feck.
Isn't he a closet Utd fan, or at least, almost all his family and mates are ?
If he is then he has a funny way of showing it.
Over compensating like Neville does on commentary..
Clearly doesn't like any of them then.
I see that they’re discussing adding more cameras. It’s like they are tone deaf. The technology is largely fine. The viewing public can see the same images, yet the VAR referee and his assistant somehow come to wrong conclusions. This is a refereeing standards issue, not a technological one.
It smacks to me of deflection. They need to be seen to be doing something. As they can’t magic up good standard referees out of thin air, this is their gambit.
All a bit of a shambles, really.
It smacks to me of deflection. They need to be seen to be doing something. As they can’t magic up good standard referees out of thin air, this is their gambit.
All a bit of a shambles, really.
It's not though. It's a fundamental problem with the system.
@Pexbo summed up the omnishambles perfectly. In the context of the Trent handball last night everyone did their job. The referee let play develop when he couldn't be certain about the handball because he knew VAR could intervene if he missed something important. VAR didn't intervene because the footage didn't meet whatever criteria they use for a "clear and obvious error". So yet again., we're arguing the toss about something completely intangible, which is how to set the bar for what represents an obvious errror. And there is no way that can be completely objective. But we have to have some sort of bar, otherwise the game will be constantly fecking stopping and starting with every single big call by the referee getting second guessed by VAR.
The whole thing is an unfixable mess and blaming it all on human fallibility is missing the point. It's also funny as feck because we were sold VAR (and it's infuriating game slowing down, celebration ruining downsides) as a means to remove human fallibility from match officiation. Go figure.
Good points.
Edit: I should add I’m still quite sore about the 11 (eleven) points we’ve lost to poor VAR decisions this season, but especially the robbery at Tottenham.
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Good post Pogue.
I think the only solution to it is for referees to be more interactive with VAR.
“That looked like a possible hand ball to me by TAA in the build up, I’m letting play continue but can we have a check on the incident please”.
It also shouldn’t be such a secretive process. Let us hear all communications or at least let commentary hear them and relay to us what is happening. Then use the audio in replays if there is a break in play.
This is all too obvious but probably scares referees shitless having real transparency and accountability.
Absolutely spot on.
Yeah exactly.
They need to get away from the idea that it's VAR overruling the on field refs decision and instead it's just the ref interacting with the VAR to be certain like you said.
Good post.
It should have always been obvious that there's so many subjective interpretations in Football that there was no way technology could ever clear up incidents without debate or contrary views.
Whenever technology was discussed, I always thought it could work for line decisions - goal line and offsides - but was never going to remove the debates / different interpretations of incidents involving 'deliberate' handball, enough contacts for a penalty, just a yellow or upgraded to red card, etc...
Those decisions will always remain subjective and open to debate, regardless of the wording of the laws and how or if at all technology is used. The fact that each individual official will see incidents differently, as will each manager, fan, pundit, etc, means there's always going to be regular debates and controversies.
That said, the laws should be worded to help limit the confusion. And some of the mistakes made by VAR officials have been inexcusable. But even if both of those things improve, technology will never remove the discussion over many of the subjective incidents as that's an unavoidable aspect of the laws of the game.
But they really need to improve on the avoidable and unacceptable mistakes that are being made. After that, if you're just left with the unavoidable debate over subjective decisions, then that's acceptable. So far, they're making too many really avoidable horrors that's completely unacceptable.