van Gaal joins: Official

Lu Tze said:
Why did Kluivert turn so crap aged 28-30, was it injuries, mental, a Torres situation x1000? Never really read anything about the subject.
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Injuries, I reckon. And probably motivation. When you've scored a European cup winning goal aged 18, gone to Barcelona and suddenly find yourself in Newcastle, who knows what that does to you? Plus the English league was different from it is now. Even Morientes struggled.

I took great delight in seeing his struggle at Newcastle, after that quip he made about Arsenal being the only club in England after rejecting us.
 


Any Dutch lads here? A translation to that interview would be greatly appreciated. Yea we've had tweets and all that, but a word for word translation would be brilliant. For the rest of us numpties that is.
 
I think he's talking about Alexander Buttner at around the 5 minute part and starts shaking his head only moments after he mentions his name. I want a translation. :mad:
 
LVG: No because a manager is different from a player. A player has to make a decision on the pitch within a split second. A manager has 30 to 60 days to think about a lot of stuff. I have done all my work for United during my off days. Today I stayed in Holland where everyone thought I would go to England, because I had to work on the videos of the Ecuador match from last week. I could also have gone to Manchester, but I decide the times when I have can deal with my business. But a player has to perform in a match right away.
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Thanks for re-posting those quotes, didn't really read them with how fast paced this thread was going earlier. That particular line really impressed me, him using his vacation time working on his plans at Manchester United. The media were so clueless in all of this, I think van Gaal wanted everything planned before he signed the contract and that is why the negotiations took so long.
 
Im absolutely thrilled with the signing of this guy. Back when he was mentioned as Moyes replacement I was skeptical mostly due to having known nothing about him before his connection to Spurs.

As we all do, I then begun digging about him and looking up past wins, percentages and his legacy left behind at clubs, on the surface you find alot to do with his sharp and all or nothing attitude which the press seems to have immediately latched onto. But once you dig further you find an incredibly intelligent and passionate man who thrives on training up youth, essentially throwing the rule book out and implementing his own style a mixture of modern football and Total Football which some claim is outdated, his record would suggest otherwise.

I have now read many many articles about his style, stories both positive and negative about his training methods and countless videos of his teams playing football and I only have one question, if we knew we could have a coach like him why did we mess about with Moyes?

I am one of Woodwards harshest critics however he has displayed in this appointment a skill many of us lack which is the ability to learn under extreme pressure. As quickly as Moyes has been forgotten the mood has been instantly lifted surrounding the club.

I eagerly anticipate every word of our new manager more so than ever, even under Fergie in his later years he bacame uninterested in mind games and the media.

Were back boys, and this time we have BALLS.
 
Adebesi said:
TBF Suarez and Kluivert represent quite different circumstances. But it shows that you can have a brilliant striker, in his prime years, at a club that hasnt won anything for a long time.
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The point I was making is that Barcelona chose to let him go at 28. Would Liverpool let Suarez leave now? Why, in the middle of his peak years, did Barcelona let Kluivert leave? Why did nobody, in the middle of his peak years, pick Kluivert up? He had a good run at Barcelona but I don't think Kluivert was an elite striker of the game. But hey that's just my opinion. If you look at Kluivert's career from 1994 to 2008 I don't think its wrong to say he wasn't the equal of the best forwards active at the time.

Whatever the weather, this thread is about Van Gaal. I discussed Kluivert, initially, in reference to what coaches Van Gaal could bring. Rather than derail it further I'll simply say the future is bright, the future is Oranje. Let's leave it at that. Whoever Van Gaal brings in (or doesn't) he's a training ground manager anyway. He'll be calling all the shots when it comes to how we prepare for games.
 
Can't wait for the world cup to get over with and we start our preseason tour! Good thing I've got exams to distract me during the wait!

What a difference a year makes, from a manager making excuses that he only met with the players on the 1st of July and didn't know what changes needed to be made to someone who's prepared to manage the club and had everything planned even for the actual interview with the owners and Woodward.
 
alastair said:
I'm relatively happy with this appointment from an Arsenal perspective, all in all.

This guy is nearing the end of his career and appears to have been employed as a stopgap before Giggs moves into the role - another thing I wouldn't mind seeing.

He's no longer at the top table of European managers. He went to coach internationally which is really the mark of semi-retirement and he really feels like the best of a rather insipid selection chosen because Ancelotti and Klopp weren't available.

This idea that he's going to help United sweep back to power is quite ambitious, in my view. I reckon the remit is back to top four this year and then maybe something more afterwards. The job is sizeable. The coach is unproven in this league, easily falls out with players and it is very possible that he won't be a success.

When he was linked with Spurs, I didn't see many clamouring for United to step in to stop him. There's a reason why.

Big risk.
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I am glad you think this way, because it shows your knowledge (or the lack of) about the whole situation.
1. His pairing with Giggsy is a force (best of both worlds). They compliment each other and both have winning mentality.
2. Pellegrini won it in his first year here (his age is similar to LvG and credential less. Granted City has bottomless pocket, but then Man United is never renowned for buying trophies as you know!
3.. How would you compare Wenger to Van Gaal from an Arsenal fan's point of view? Ability-wise, CV and age-wise.:)
4. As far as ambition is concerned, he has big ambition and our club has not been used to being second. The season we just had was an exception because of a poor manager who aspired to play like City. Our players' ambition was largely dented and lost confidence, which will be easily gained back with a character like LvG.

The job is not easy, but it is easily attainable because our club is used to winning (not an specialist in failure lol)
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goin4glory said:
Where do the quotes come from? Has a presser been held?
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The Dutch FA has confirmed there won't be press conference about the appointment until after the World Cup (I think it's reasonable). Not sure what quotes you referred to but this morning I heard he talked to the press when leaving the training grounds with the Dutch team. He said he was very proud to play for the biggest club in the world. He said he is very happy. :)
 
.Rossi said:
Full transcript of the LVG interview yesterday on Dutch TV


Don't like saying it but, hats off to the Glazers and Wood man.

They done their research, interviewed and talked with him (Glazers included) and made sure it was the right choice..

Now, if only someone had the foresight to do an interview process 12 months ago......
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I know it's irresistible but it's history and talking about the past is not helping us. To be honest, if Moyes has been learning the United Way which was supposed to be the case, we wouldn't be here talking about Van Gaal. At interviews you can promise a lot of things and he would have never said he's bringing the Everton mentality with him.
 
RamblingRebel said:
Was listening to the Bayern parade video whilst scrolling through reading the page. I honestly thought I was listening to Hitler at one of them rallies! :O

I wasn't too sure about LVG when the 1st rumurs appeared before Moyes was sacked, but reading about him has convinced me he is exactly what utd need right now.

He has a clear vision of how his teams play. They attack.
He values youth, and if they are good enogh they will play.
He has shown he's respectful to the history of the club by taking Giggs on. (any word on Scholes and Butt?)
He won't accept any players acting up.
He's a winner.

Tbh I really don't understand why he didn't come in right after SAF, He seems perfect for utd, unless he was adamant of going to the WC.
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Well anyone speaking in German in a victorious way when you don't understand the language would sound like a Hitler would it! LOL
We can regard the last season as a blessing in disguise because if a foreign manager comes in and we lost the title to City, imagine the pain and frustration? Anyone after Sir Alex is going to be a loser anyway, depending on extent. We should feel happy we are looking forward to an exciting season (last year we couldn't look forward to anything after Sir Alex retired). Can't wait.
 
Lu Tze said:
Why did Kluivert turn so crap aged 28-30, was it injuries, mental, a Torres situation x1000? Never really read anything about the subject.
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He liked a night out. Another Ronaldinho/Dwight Yorke type scenario. In fairness to him playing for Newcastle would drive anyone to drink
 
how true is it about Van Gaal prefering to work with senior players(28+) rather than bringing on younger players?

is it just a myth? He seemed to bring through lots of young players at bayern, so that reassuring.

but what about signings does is he somone who signs establihed playersin the last few years of thier peak? of players coming into his peak? is thier any pattern?

Cos everything ive read about Van Gaal seems great, but im just a little worried he is going to blow alod of money on players who will only be good for a couple of seasons(ie: robben) anyone reassure me?
 
Nytram Shakes said:
how true is it about Van Gaal prefering to work with senior players(28+) rather than bringing on younger players?

is it just a myth? He seemed to bring through lots of young players at bayern, so that reassuring.

but what about signings does is he somone who signs establihed playersin the last few years of thier peak? of players coming into his peak? is thier any pattern?

Cos everything ive read about Van Gaal seems great, but im just a little worried he is going to blow alod of money on players who will only be good for a couple of seasons(ie: robben) anyone reassure me?
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I thought it was well known that Van Gaal liked bringing up youth. He brought up Alaba, Badstuber and Muller from Bayern when the youth coach recommended them to him when he first came to Bayern.
 
Nytram Shakes said:
how true is it about Van Gaal prefering to work with senior players(28+) rather than bringing on younger players?

is it just a myth? He seemed to bring through lots of young players at bayern, so that reassuring.

but what about signings does is he somone who signs establihed playersin the last few years of thier peak? of players coming into his peak? is thier any pattern?

Cos everything ive read about Van Gaal seems great, but im just a little worried he is going to blow alod of money on players who will only be good for a couple of seasons(ie: robben) anyone reassure me?
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First time I've heard this?

On the contrary, he said himself one of the reasons Manchester United hired him was because of his tendency to work with youth.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
:confused:

First time I've heard this?

On the contrary, he said himself one of the reasons Manchester United hired him was because of his tendency to work with youth.
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so his transfer history corsponds to that? i don't have to worry where going to sign a load of 29+ year old players?
 
Raw said:
I thought it was well known that Van Gaal liked bringing up youth. He brought up Alaba, Badstuber and Muller from Bayern when the youth coach recommended them to him when he first came to Bayern.
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yeah thats wat it seemed when i looked into it.

but i was wondering about his tranfser history? he doesn't have a tendency towards aging players in players he looks to sign?
 
Ibi Dreams said:
Someone posted one already here, unless it's a different interview (seems unlikely)

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/van-gaal-joins-official.391008/page-12#post-15717630
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I just read the transcript (of the first 14 mins of the TV program). And then realised the interview of LvG continued at 46-47th min up to 1hr 1 min : http://www.rtlxl.nl/#!/rtl-late-night-301978/356041dd-aa61-3059-88fa-4877cf163475

It probably is about the WC but would be great if someone can give a summary? I am obsessed wanting to know what he said! :) Thanks in advance.

Also will someone who's either Dutch or know about the Dutch footballing scene gives an idea how LvG comes across within the country. Is he generally respected and adored? I notice he has a bit of charisma and has this look and authority that might fit well within our dressing room. :)
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Well it appears van Gaal's first signing will be an eighteen year old, so I think we can relax.
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well that seems to have been a target before van gaal, and he has just signed off on it, so i don't think that nessacarly a fair gage.(if indeed we do end up with shaw which dosn't seem anywhere near a 100%)

but i hope it is good gage and he will look to build a team for the long term
 
Luca Toni:

"Van Gaal simply didn't want to work with me, he treats players like interchangeable objects," said Toni.


The Italian told German magazine Sport Bild about the time van Gaal proved to Bayern's superstars, including Dutchman Arjen Robben, Germany's Philipp Lahm and Bastian Schweinsteiger how he was man enough to drop any of his players.


"The coach wanted to make clear to us that he can drop any player, it was all the same to him because, as he said, he had the balls," said Toni.


"He demonstrated this literally (by dropping his trousers). I have never experienced anything like it, it was totally crazy. Luckily I didn't see a lot, because I wasn't in the front row."
 
The Red Thinker said:


Any Dutch lads here? A translation to that interview would be greatly appreciated. Yea we've had tweets and all that, but a word for word translation would be brilliant. For the rest of us numpties that is.
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The Red Thinker said:


Any Dutch lads here? A translation to that interview would be greatly appreciated. Yea we've had tweets and all that, but a word for word translation would be brilliant. For the rest of us numpties that is.
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I will give a short and quick translation. Negotiations only began after Moyes was fired. He has no agent but gas advisors such as legal and financial. One of his jibs is to oversee the youth development. The most important thing is to get MU to number 1 again asap not only with new players but also the youth players. He has complete control over the new incoming players. He has a wish list but does not get involved in the transfers. He will discuss Buttner, the interviewer implied that Buttner will leave as he was not in the Dutch team. LVG said it was not fair on either Buttner and MU. A short talk over Mourinho followed, but it seems they get on well. The interview then discussed the possible conflict as the World Cup is on the horizon.. LVG said that all negotiations with MU took place on his days off. His main priority is the WK. Most important job is to be number one again. He said it would be difficult but nit impossible as he did it in his first season at Barca and Bayern. He said that MU is the biggest club in the world and must continue to be number 1. He said that there were rich owners in England and that made it difficult but it was a great challenge to get MU to be number 1 again. He saw no difficulties having sir Alex in the background. They know each other well

What came across is that he has control and one of his tasks is to ensure the growth of the youth system
 
Nytram Shakes said:
so his transfer history corsponds to that? i don't have to worry where going to sign a load of 29+ year old players?
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Worry as you like. I mean if you trust the manager, why burden yourself with worries. If he's signing a 29 year old there must be a good reason (hint: he wants to win). Since Giggsy is there to assist, our youth surely have a big future regardless of what the manager thinks, because they would come to a consensus. I am confident it will happen. :)
 
dutchred said:
I will give a short and quick translation. Negotiations only began after Moyes was fired. He has no agent but gas advisors such as legal and financial. One of his jibs is to oversee the youth development. The most important thing is to get MU to number 1 again asap not only with new players but also the youth players. He has complete control over the new incoming players. He has a wish list but does not get involved in the transfers. He will discuss Buttner, the interviewer implied that Buttner will leave as he was not in the Dutch team. LVG said it was not fair on either Buttner and MU. A short talk over Mourinho followed, but it seems they get on well. The interview then discussed the possible conflict as the World Cup is on the horizon.. LVG said that all negotiations with MU took place on his days off. His main priority is the WK. Most important job is to be number one again. He said it would be difficult but nit impossible as he did it in his first season at Barca and Bayern. He said that MU is the biggest club in the world and must continue to be number 1. He said that there were rich owners in England and that made it difficult but it was a great challenge to get MU to be number 1 again. He saw no difficulties having sir Alex in the background. They know each other well

What came across is that he has control and one of his tasks is to ensure the growth of the youth system
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Can you have a look at post #588 and see if you can summarise min 47 to 1 hr 1 min?http://www.rtlxl.nl/#!/rtl-late-night-301978/356041dd-aa61-3059-88fa-4877cf163475
Thanks in advance.
 
Kill 'em all said:
Thanks for re-posting those quotes, didn't really read them with how fast paced this thread was going earlier. That particular line really impressed me, him using his vacation time working on his plans at Manchester United. The media were so clueless in all of this, I think van Gaal wanted everything planned before he signed the contract and that is why the negotiations took so long.
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Once i have heard him say that, he needed two weeks to assess his team in training. Since Joel Glazer asked him what was his thoughts about United in March, we can be sure that he knows the team perfectly.

But he still needs to see the players at carrington.
 
redevil2 said:
Worry as you like. I mean if you trust the manager, why burden yourself with worries. If he's signing a 29 year old there must be a good reason (hint: he wants to win). Since Giggsy is there to assist, our youth surely have a big future regardless of what the manager thinks, because they would come to a consensus. I am confident it will happen. :)
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well i don't really know the new manager, so i wouldn't say i trust him yet. im hopeful as he has a great record.

but im concerned that he will come in buy aload of expensive aging players who will be good for a couple seasons, becuase it is unlikly he will be here long term considering his age.
 
I was watching SSN earlier and they showed a short interview at a Portuguese airport when van Gaal arrived.. He said he would like to do all the re-building the team needs in 1 year but if it's not possible he said he will do it in 2.

edit:Video is up on youtube!



I hope we can get everything sorted this summer. :devil:
 
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dutchred said:
I will give a short and quick translation. Negotiations only began after Moyes was fired. He has no agent but gas advisors such as legal and financial. One of his jibs is to oversee the youth development. The most important thing is to get MU to number 1 again asap not only with new players but also the youth players. He has complete control over the new incoming players. He has a wish list but does not get involved in the transfers. He will discuss Buttner, the interviewer implied that Buttner will leave as he was not in the Dutch team. LVG said it was not fair on either Buttner and MU. A short talk over Mourinho followed, but it seems they get on well. The interview then discussed the possible conflict as the World Cup is on the horizon.. LVG said that all negotiations with MU took place on his days off. His main priority is the WK. Most important job is to be number one again. He said it would be difficult but nit impossible as he did it in his first season at Barca and Bayern. He said that MU is the biggest club in the world and must continue to be number 1. He said that there were rich owners in England and that made it difficult but it was a great challenge to get MU to be number 1 again. He saw no difficulties having sir Alex in the background. They know each other well

What came across is that he has control and one of his tasks is to ensure the growth of the youth system
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Thanks mate!

I only have one inference from all that... The man knows what he's doing :devil:
 
Nytram Shakes said:
well i don't really know the new manager, so i wouldn't say i trust him yet. im hopeful as he has a great record.

but im concerned that he will come in buy aload of expensive aging players who will be good for a couple seasons, becuase it is unlikly he will be here long term considering his age.
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Giggsy is not there in the set up for no reasons!
 
Nytram Shakes said:
well i don't really know the new manager, so i wouldn't say i trust him yet. im hopeful as he has a great record.

but im concerned that he will come in buy aload of expensive aging players who will be good for a couple seasons, becuase it is unlikly he will be here long term considering his age.
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He's not that old. Only 2 years older than Pellegrini who looks far older. He could be here for 5 or 6 seasons which isn't exactly too short term.
 
shabadu84 said:
He's a man with a plan. That's already better off than where we started when Moyes took over.
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This is the thing, he knows exactly what he's going to do when he gets here. He hasn't even seen them train but he knows what he is looking for. Moyes had no clue what to look for or what he was doing. He isn't scared of coming here, he just sees it as another job and there's no chance he'll be overawed by it. It's probably quite relaxing after managing Bayern and the Dutch side. He's having the run of the joint and I can't wait.
 
redevil2 said:
Giggsy is not there in the set up for no reasons!
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well giggs isnt incharge at the moment(rightly so) it Van Gaal, and rightly it shoul be the manager having final say on transfer. we don't have a sporting director and so it is the manager who chooses targets, which personally i think is the way a club should be,

and don't get me wrong i think Van Gaal was the best possible appointment we could have made this summer. but i do have a slight concern that he will only be intrested in one last hurrah as a manager before retiring and won't have the long term health of united at the center of his plans.

hopfully that wont be the case, but it is my only real concern about the appoment
 
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