van Gaal joins: Official

I don't think our hierarchy will have issues with Van Gaal as well. We give our manager a lot of leeway, look at how much Moyes got away with.

Eh, the only reason the glazers showed anything that can remotely be called leeway, was because the stipulation in his contract stated that he could be sacked only when we couldn't get in top 4.. Otherwise it would of cost the club nearly as much as they would of made by qualifying into champions league to sack DM!!

Seriously, some people have such rose tinted views of the glazers and Woodward it's not even funny and gets funny because of how funny it's not...
 
I already see the 'Van Gaal Out!' momentum building amongst the muppets.
 
The Dutchman, who will formally take over as manager once he has overseen Holland’s World Cup campaign, has asked for a new operational structure to be implemented. Robbie Cooke and James Smith — chief scout and technical scout respectively under Moyes, whom they had followed from Everton — have left the club.

From James Ducker. Already making changes it seems.
 
So if we don't sign anyone of high quality particularly in midfield what happens? We don't have anybody in the under 21's, 19's ready for the jump straight into the first team, nor would it be wise to play any of Carrick, Fletcher, Cleverley or Fellaini especially if we want to get straight back into the champions league.

Even Van Gaal won't be able to work his magic without a functioning midfield.
 
So if we don't sign anyone of high quality particularly in midfield what happens? We don't have anybody in the under 21's, 19's ready for the jump straight into the first team, nor would it be wise to play any of Carrick, Fletcher, Cleverley or Fellaini especially if we want to get straight back into the champions league.

Even Van Gaal won't be able to work his magic without a functioning midfield.

Still 100+ days left till the window slams shut..
 
Still 100+ days left till the window slams shut..
And we're all set to miss our top targets we have set ourselves up to fail if our targets really included Reus, Hummels, Kroos, Fabregas and Muller. Even if we do bring in a midfielder or two they'll be a level above at most over our current options and that's not good enough.
 
Im in a huge landslide of depression after losing out on Kroos, obviously not real depression but actually feeling pretty "Angry and Confused" and im particularly angry at Woodward.

I dont think any of our summer business will have anything to do with LVG other than saying yes or no to certain players and him forming this famous "List". LVG being who he is, I reckon we could see him quit despite the kind of season we have due to Woodward being absolutely incompetent when it comes to spending money.

I see the chain of events like this:

-We sign 4 squad players in key positions that are decent but not marquee.
-We have a semi-decent season, pundits and reporters suggest we spent poorly in the summer.
-Media attention turns towards LVG claiming "he let Kroos go".
-LVG doesnt stand for the bullshit and comes out with comments against Woodward.
-LVG quits after his first season stating "promises made by the board were not met".
-Woodward is sacked following two terrible years at the club.
-New CEO is appointed, the real rebuild commences. Two seasons late.
 
Im in a huge landslide of depression after losing out on Kroos, obviously not real depression but actually feeling pretty "Angry and Confused" and im particularly angry at Woodward.
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I think we all know Wooward has been pretty incompetent so far, but he knows he can't feck up again this window. I think we'll do pretty well in the long run.
 
And we're all set to miss our top targets we have set ourselves up to fail if our targets really included Reus, Hummels, Kroos, Fabregas and Muller. Even if we do bring in a midfielder or two they'll be a level above at most over our current options and that's not good enough.

For all we know Van Gaal may not even want them or he has his eyes on other targets more suited to his system. The best players don't always make the best teams, especially for a manager so specific as Van Gaal. Also this is just the start of a long summer. Reporter opinions, targets or their availability will keep changing until the end of the window.
 
Im in a huge landslide of depression after losing out on Kroos, obviously not real depression but actually feeling pretty "Angry and Confused" and im particularly angry at Woodward.

I dont think any of our summer business will have anything to do with LVG other than saying yes or no to certain players and him forming this famous "List". LVG being who he is, I reckon we could see him quit despite the kind of season we have due to Woodward being absolutely incompetent when it comes to spending money.

I see the chain of events like this:

-We sign 4 squad players in key positions that are decent but not marquee.
-We have a semi-decent season, pundits and reporters suggest we spent poorly in the summer.
-Media attention turns towards LVG claiming "he let Kroos go".
-LVG doesnt stand for the bullshit and comes out with comments against Woodward.
-LVG quits after his first season stating "promises made by the board were not met".
-Woodward is sacked following two terrible years at the club.
-New CEO is appointed, the real rebuild commences. Two seasons late.
I think you're extremely overreacting to a transfer saga that was probably never on the cards. It was obvious that Kroos was after a new contract with Bayern, especially when you consider the facts. Plus, Kroos isn't going to be our savior, the signing of Kroos will not make or break our season. We have other issues, like the need for a whole back line that was leaking goals last season.

Despite what you think, no one is going to point the finger at anyone at the end of next season because "we let kroos go". If anything it will be because we didn't secure enough targets or have too many young players. We will begin signing players once the World Cup is over, all players participating are away with their national teams and like England, no international managers want distracted players. We always sign big after a major tournament so calm down, there is a whole summer ahead of us so try not to blow your load on the first non-signing of the window.
 
I think you're extremely overreacting to a transfer saga that was probably never on the cards. It was obvious that Kroos was after a new contract with Bayern, especially when you consider the facts. Plus, Kroos isn't going to be our savior, the signing of Kroos will not make or break our season. We have other issues, like the need for a whole back line that was leaking goals last season.

Despite what you think, no one is going to point the finger at anyone at the end of next season because "we let kroos go". If anything it will be because we didn't secure enough targets or have too many young players. We will begin signing players once the World Cup is over, all players participating are away with their national teams and like England, no international managers want distracted players. We always sign big after a major tournament so calm down, there is a whole summer ahead of us so try not to blow your load on the first non-signing of the window.
Ok man, thanks, I think im calm now :P
 

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Don't suppose the chap on the left is nailed on too?
 
Im in a huge landslide of depression after losing out on Kroos, obviously not real depression but actually feeling pretty "Angry and Confused" and im particularly angry at Woodward.

I dont think any of our summer business will have anything to do with LVG other than saying yes or no to certain players and him forming this famous "List". LVG being who he is, I reckon we could see him quit despite the kind of season we have due to Woodward being absolutely incompetent when it comes to spending money.

I see the chain of events like this:

-We sign 4 squad players in key positions that are decent but not marquee.
-We have a semi-decent season, pundits and reporters suggest we spent poorly in the summer.
-Media attention turns towards LVG claiming "he let Kroos go".
-LVG doesnt stand for the bullshit and comes out with comments against Woodward.
-LVG quits after his first season stating "promises made by the board were not met".
-Woodward is sacked following two terrible years at the club.
-New CEO is appointed, the real rebuild commences. Two seasons late.
So you can predict the future too?
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ues-much-more-than-just-winning-trophies.html

Did anyone post this before? Balague wrote Guardiola's autobiography and knows a lot of Barca.

Louis van Gaal is that rarest breed of football coach: one whose achievements cannot simply be measured by silverware.
Manchester United’s new leader has accumulated 19 trophies at four clubs in three countries, over a career spanning three decades, yet even those tangible feats are nothing compared to the elite group of managers who could be classed as his protégés.

Pep Guardiola and Jose Mourinho are both graduates of the Louis van Gaal school, with his influence so marked that the man himself calls them his “creatures”. That is no exaggeration. When Van Gaal came to Barcelona – while Bobby Robson was still in charge – Mourinho and his wife quickly switched allegiance from the company of the avuncular Englishman to countless hours spent working, socialising and above all, learning in the court of King Louis.

The attention to detail with the use of power points and technical planning that Mourinho uses so much, the presentations he does for clubs, is pure Van Gaal,” says Pep Segura, the former Barcelona coach who worked with Van Gaal at the Nou Camp. “And so much of the early methodology used by Guardiola at Barcelona comes from methods employed by Van Gaal.“Johan Cruyff followed many of the ideas that he had got from Rinus Michels but he left not much written down. It was Van Gaal who instilled in the club the methodology behind it and the work ethic that at that time was missing.

For Van Gaal, a man schooled in the holistic teaching of Ajax, this methodology could not be applied simply to the first team. The club as a whole had to embrace his working practices, with his principles imbued in every player wearing a Barcelona strip – from a first-team superstar to the lowliest member of the youth team. He even insisted on a member of his coaching staff spending at least once a week with the under-18 group so they would also learn the same system and ideology. The result was a club which adhered to one, cohesive footballing vision – a legacy inherited and advanced by Guardiola.

“It was him that took the playing philosophy of the club and translated it into real situations, both on the training pitch and in matches, and created the defensive organisation from which to launch such blistering offence,” says Segura. “He perfected the 4-3-3 system that Barcelona has used all these last years – adding drills to continue the Cruyff philosophy and the positional game. And he also started to work on the high pressure game that Pep Guardiola took to its maximum expression.” Van Gaal wanted every bond to be tight at Barcelona, and not just on the training field. He demanded to know everything about his players – their wives’ names, children’s birthdays, the dates of their wedding anniversaries, all in the belief that from these strong, intimate relationships is derived true strength. It informed his policy of preferring to develop youth talent rather than spend heavily in the transfer market, and it was under his tutelage that players like Carles Puyol, Victor Valdes and Xavi first got their chances with the Barcelona first team. Van Gaal dreamt of 11 Catalans winning the Champions League for Barcelona, a feat that almost came off in 2011 with seven players that had come out of the lower ranks in the line-up against United. These men owe Van Gaal a huge debt, and are not slow to recognise it. In his farewell letter to Barcelona fans this week, Valdes wrote: “Thank you Louis Van Gaal for showing the necessary bravery to go for talent that only your eyes can see. He started to build a historical Barcelona of which I have had the privilege of being part of. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.”

Yet mixed with Van Gaal’s paternalistic pride in his Barca’s players was a ruthless streak which often erupted in the most public manner.
When introduced to a 14-year-old Gerard Pique by the young defender’s proud grandfather, who was a Barcelona director at the time, Van Gaal promptly barged Pique to the floor and then leaned over the prone youngster and quipped: “You’re too weak to be a Barca defender!”
When he thought that Rivaldo, the Fifa World Player of the Year and Ballon d’Or winner, was becoming too arrogant he stuck him on the left wing and when the player deliberately ignored his instructions, released him with a year left on his contract.

Giovanni, a Barca team-mate and fellow Brazilian, was in no doubt who was in the wrong. “Van Gaal is the Hitler of the Brazilian players – he is arrogant, proud and has a problem. He has no idea of football. His type is sick, he’s crazy.” Confrontation is undoubtedly part of the Van Gaal coaching manual, but his pugnacity always had a point.

“He would listen to other people’s points of view but if he didn’t agree with them he would continually ask you questions, almost accusingly, to justify what you were saying,” Segura says. “And if you managed to do that, he would say that you were right even if he had disagreed with you, and wouldn’t worry about doing so in front of other people, but it was always difficult to do. “There are many coaches who have managed to succeed, but few who have done it developing an idea. Van Gaal is one of those that master all the parcels of responsibility of a manager: he is at the same time a team director, match director and training director. "That last one allows him to create a full sporting structure of a club, by forming young players and giving a football path to the professionals. And the coaches under him grow too. “As such, managers like him are always going to be in demand by the big clubs.”

Van Gaal’s departure from Old Trafford – when it comes – may well be messy. But do not bet against the fact that by then, United’s status as English football’s biggest trophy-hunter will have been restored.
 
That explains why Kagawa was being played in midfield. After all he's more allrounder than Mata.
 
Still 100+ days left till the window slams shut..
Subtract the world cup, preseason and the 2 weeks after our first premier league match and see how much you're left with. Clubs won't sell their best players when the transfer window is almost closed unless they have a replacement lined up and that is why it's so key to make most of our signings before the world cup.
 
Subtract the world cup, preseason and the 2 weeks after our first premier league match and see how much you're left with. Clubs won't sell their best players when the transfer window is almost closed unless they have a replacement lined up and that is why it's so key to make most of our signings before the world cup.

Why though ? Clubs get their transfer dealings done all the time. Suppose you want to buy a player X and his team's been dumped in the group stages. He can join perfectly well in the ensuing days almost 2 months before the end of the transfer window. Players can be approached while we're on the pre-season tour and signed towards the end of August. Infact three of our most expensive signings ever - Mata, Rooney and Berbatov were finalised towards the end. Last season Ozil and Bale changed clubs right as the deadline was about to shut in their faces.

What we need to realize is that we're not in control of transfer. Buying clubs rarely are. For the top shelf bracket of players we're reportedly looking at, their selling clubs might want to inflate the values after an international tournament. Even the players would want that to extract significantly larger pay packets after showcasing themselves in the cup. Suppose we're in for Fabregas or Vidal it would make sense for Barcelona or Juventus to obtain the maximum value with a good world cup. We've reportedly offered almost 30 million + 100k wages for a kid and he still hasn't signed on. That's not the club's fault. We're offering the best we or anyone else can in monetary terms.

Folks need to be patient. For all we know the players "rejecting United" deal might be journalistic huff. Or maybe Van Gaal doesn't rate Moyes' targets and has his own list that needs a new negotiating approach from Woodward. Maybe major deals are being finalised and in typical United fashion, the club is trying to be as discrete as possible. No need to throw hissy fits just yet.
 
Being a big name helps the mentality but being a great player is more desireable. It don't matter what other clubs do. We don't have to spend 200m, we just have to buy the right players with the right attitudes and the right ability. Giggs will have spoken to LVG about the youth and don't be surprised when a few of our new players are from the youth team.

LVG should demand these players watch season highlight videos and remember what it's like to have a pair. I'm sure he'll get them going.
 
Why though ? Clubs get their transfer dealings done all the time. Suppose you want to buy a player X and his team's been dumped in the group stages. He can join perfectly well in the ensuing days almost 2 months before the end of the transfer window. Players can be approached while we're on the pre-season tour and signed towards the end of August. Infact three of our most expensive signings ever - Mata, Rooney and Berbatov were finalised towards the end. Last season Ozil and Bale changed clubs right as the deadline was about to shut in their faces.

What we need to realize is that we're not in control of transfer. Buying clubs rarely are. For the top shelf bracket of players we're reportedly looking at, their selling clubs might want to inflate the values after an international tournament. Even the players would want that to extract significantly larger pay packets after showcasing themselves in the cup. Suppose we're in for Fabregas or Vidal it would make sense for Barcelona or Juventus to obtain the maximum value with a good world cup. We've reportedly offered almost 30 million + 100k wages for a kid and he still hasn't signed on. That's not the club's fault. We're offering the best we or anyone else can in monetary terms.

Folks need to be patient. For all we know the players "rejecting United" deal might be journalistic huff. Or maybe Van Gaal doesn't rate Moyes' targets and has his own list that needs a new negotiating approach from Woodward. Maybe major deals are being finalised and in typical United fashion, the club is trying to be as discrete as possible. No need to throw hissy fits just yet.
The thing is this time around we don't just need a single quality player. Sure you can finalize one top player with less than a week to go, but can you say the same with 4 to 6 top players? All I'm saying is that if we don't at least bring in a couple before the world cup, we will find it very tough to get the rest of the players we need after. This time around we must sign players and Scholes just rounded it up perfectly. If we don't, the gap between us and the rest will just get bigger and bigger and we could see ourselves get into the same situation Liverpool have experienced since the start of the Premier league era.


I'm also all for every player we need signed before van Gaal meets up with the squad so at least every player has basic preparations and starts learning the new system he's going to implement before the start of the season. Players tend to struggle a bit in the first few games when they go to a new club without getting the benefit of gelling with the squad throughout preseason.
 
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I posted this in the newbies some days ago, dont think it was posted here. Its an insight on how van gaal selects his teams and what kind of players he looks for. This is a method he uses at every club he goes. I reckon some players might be in a lot of trouble.



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" Selecting players is often a problem, especially if the
selection criteria have not been clearly defined. "1
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Many coaches are faced with the problem of selecting the players that they will use to build their team. This might be for as short a period as a week end all-star tournament up to establishing a select team with the possible life span of several years. In any case the coach must use a selection process. For the process to be effective there must be careful planning behind it.

The first step is to understand how the team should play. This goes back to the plan. The selection process should bring out the qualities that will be needed to produce the type of soccer that is hoped for. The plan, in turn, may have to be modified if the talent pool doesn't contain the player's with those qualities. Somewhere, between the ideal playing style, and the reality of the player's limitations, the coach will make his decisions as to what is of value and what isn't.

In the video " Dreaming of Ajax, " the narrator notes that Ajax has a long history of success with their youth program. After crediting the training program he goes on to say, " What precedes these (the training program) is a process of recognizing and selecting young players with potential. " The basis for their selection process can be found in the acronym TIPS. By establishing TIPS as the criteria for selection process the coach can plan activities that will allow the players to express themselves. (Further information on TIPS can be found in the The Ajax Training Method, tapes 1 & 2, and in The Coaching Philosophies of Louis van Gaal and the Ajax Coaches by Kormelink and Seeverens. These are available through Reedswain. )

TIPS stands for technique, insight, personality and speed.

Technique is more then the simple measure of passing, dribbling, heading, tackling and so on. It also involves assessing the players motor skills. How comfortable are they under pressure? How economical do they play?

Insight is measured by the ability to read the game and make the correct decisions. Are they active in and make a contribution in both of the main moments?

Personality is measured by how the player gets on with the group in a variety of situations. One area of personality that is dealt with in greater detail is mentality.

Speed is perhaps the single most important quality. It is measured in both "speed on the ground and speed of reaction." If one of the the other qualities is weak or missing it is very difficult for a player to play quickly and be effective in the plan.

Some factors that can affect the selection process.

1) Time. A selection process that must be done in two or four hours is hampered by a number of " what ifs."
2) Familiarity with the players. This works both ways. Not knowing the players leaves the coach with an unbiased view but a task of analyzing a great deal of potential. Knowing them too well can lead to presumptions and a bias.
3) The plan. The coach needs to have some idea of what he's looking for. Picking the best available talent might work but it needs to be applied to a specific program or idea.
4) The facilities and resources. One coach with a half dozen balls and no cones or vests will have a great deal of difficulty in organizing a trial for 30 players. A trial in a small gym will not show everything that a player can do on an actual field.
5) The talent pool. You can only observe and select from who shows up. A small tryout of high quality is better then a large one of low.

The selection process often means that the players are moving up to the next level of play. At this new level old problem solving solutions may not work. The elements of the candidates TIPS will be placed under new and increased resistance and stress. The biggest factor that they will face will be the speed of play. It's not just the speed on the ground that changes. The speed at which decisions have to be made, their insight, and executed, their technique, increases. This places additional stress on the playersmentality as they have less time to react.

The methods used for selection should allow the coach to view the players TIPS in actual soccer situations. To measure speed by a series of sprints doesn't show anything about the players speed of reaction. Likewise, to watch players pass a ball back and forth doesn't show anything about the players passing skill, only their technique. To actually assess a players soccer skills and potential they must be playing soccer and solving real soccer problems. Since 4v4 is the smallest way to actually play soccer it can be a valuable tool in the selection process
 
The thing is this time around we don't just need a single quality player. Sure you can finalize one top player with less than a week to go, but can you say the same with 4 to 6 top players? All I'm saying is that if we don't at least bring in a couple before the world cup, we will find it very tough to get the rest of the players we need after. This time around we must sign players and Scholes just rounded it up perfectly. If we don't, the gap between us and the rest will just get bigger and bigger and we could see ourselves get into the same situation Liverpool have experienced since the start of the Premier league era.


I'm also all for every player we need signed before van Gaal meets up with the squad so at least every player has basic preparations and starts learning the new system he's going to implement before the start of the season. Players tend to struggle a bit in the first few games when they go to a new club without getting the benefit of gelling with the squad throughout preseason.

Those are some cogent points and I agree with you in that it be mighty challenging to attain half a dozen quality players right at the end. But if the groundwork is already being laid, you know it might well be possible. Unless one is privy to the going ons inside United, it's hard to ascertain the actual targets we're looking at and how further along we're in the negotiating process. Who knows, it might be possible that Louis is not be as keen on Kroos and Shaw as maybe Moyes, leading to recent reports of the deals going cold. But maybe a couple of deals are already being finalised on different players off Van Gaal's list. We're not the only one looking for quality players after all. Let's just wait out and see how it unfolds, the transfer window hasn't even opened yet and none of the major clubs apart from maybe Chelsea-Costa have announced any deals. There's plenty of personnel options and time left still.
 
Can anyone summarize his time at AZ? How big of an achievement was it winning the league with them?
It was quite an achievement if you consider that AZ, before LvG, had won their one and only Eredivisie title in 1981. They had a pretty good team in the late 70's-early 80's and they had also won the Dutch cup 3 times (1978,1981,1982). Not bad for a club that made its Eredivisie breakthrough in 1976. But it all went downhill since their last title. They spent 9/10 seasons in the second division during the '89-'99 decade. In 2002 Co Andriaanse took over and he managed to get them to 5th place in 2004 and 3rd place in 2005, finishing 17 points off top.

LvG didn't have to build the team from scratch, he continued to improve the team he inherited from Andriaanse. Nevertheless he did a fine job in his first two seasons as AZ manager. In 2006 he finished 2nd, ten points behind a very good PSV side. In 2007 he finished 3rd, only 3 points behind PSV and Ajax. That was the closest AZ had come to winning the League title since 1982. He also made it to the Cup final and to the Quarter Finals of the Europa League.

However his third season at AZ was a disaster. The club finished in the 11th place in the League and got eliminated in the group stage of the Europa League (Moyes' Everton won the group having won AZ in Holland...). LvG took full responsibility for the club's failure and resigned. The players said it wasn't their manager's fault, they took all the blame and asked him to stay for another season. The rest is history, AZ walked the Eredivisie in 2009.

We have to admit LvG helped AZ as much as the club helped him. Before taking the AZ job LvG had the worst period of his career. He had failed to qualify for the 2002 WC with the Netherlands, he had a disastrous spell at Barcelona in 2002-03 and a rather disappointing period as director at Ajax. One might say that AZ revitalized his career.

By they way, if you are interested, i have posted his whole career stats on this thread (#294).
 
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Im in a huge landslide of depression after losing out on Kroos, obviously not real depression but actually feeling pretty "Angry and Confused" and im particularly angry at Woodward.

I dont think any of our summer business will have anything to do with LVG other than saying yes or no to certain players and him forming this famous "List". LVG being who he is, I reckon we could see him quit despite the kind of season we have due to Woodward being absolutely incompetent when it comes to spending money.

I see the chain of events like this:

-We sign 4 squad players in key positions that are decent but not marquee.
-We have a semi-decent season, pundits and reporters suggest we spent poorly in the summer.
-Media attention turns towards LVG claiming "he let Kroos go".
-LVG doesnt stand for the bullshit and comes out with comments against Woodward.
-LVG quits after his first season stating "promises made by the board were not met".
-Woodward is sacked following two terrible years at the club.
-New CEO is appointed, the real rebuild commences. Two seasons late.
Did you honestly believe we had any chance. Jesus christ.
 
I just read that. It's good stuff.

It just shows that people who experienced time with him think about the same. I guess you got it now from a lot of sources. With his work he is very, very good - maybe even a genius. But his ideas might clash with the board, some players or parts of the fans, when there is times without success. There will be times like this.

But - no matter what will happen. The chance that he changes a lot for good and builds something on which can be built (by him or others) is very, very great.

No matter what - times will get interesting. I am not a United fan - but he got me at the time with Bayern. I somehow got a van Gaal fan. He is nuts - but I do not see that as negative. You might have to be to be good.
 
He'll be left to do his own thing here more so than at the likes of Barcelona or Bayern so we should be alright on that front.

Could be. It can be a big help that you have so much people with footballing past in the Bayern board and around - but it can be very negative, too.

Bayern is a big family... That can help players to get really attached to the place - you see that with Ribery and Robben but others like Demichelis will tell you the same. But for a coach that might not be the best.

I do not know how it is with the media - but the Spanish media still has two clubs to devide their attention on. In Germany it is mainly one...