When will he have his first press conference discussing his new position? Will we have to wait until after the World Cup?
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And yet Sven Goran Eriksson was the man chosen by the board back then. So did the board actually overruled Fergie in selecting his successor. Interestingly, we were under Martin Edwards at the time.
I'd take Sven over Moyes!
I think it will also be interesting to see what kind of legacy he leaves behind after he moves on in a few years, as that seems to be a hallmark of his coaching career (ex. revamping the Barca youth system, and getting some of Bayern's young players into the team - this is based on what I've read in the last few days. If any of our resident Barca/Bayern fans think differently, I'd love to hear about it.)I am all for the youth being taught proper football, passing and making space to receive a pass. We have played for so long with shitty passing. Give youth a chance, i will be beyond chaffed with we can assemble a team similar to those Ajax teams of the 90s.
possession-based style football is the future. Gone are the days of long balls and aimless running.
I am extremely interested in knowing the players he has recommended to the club can leave. That will say it all.
I hope he talks to Robben and Strootman as the 'national coach'.
Breaking Transfer News: Robben and Strootman joins United at record low fees.
Breaking Transfer News: Robben and Strootman joins United at record low fees.
So what formation will we play now?
This is a fair point, but it wasn't out of the blue and quite diferent to United's recent season and issues:
- If you look at Liverpool's form between Jan 2013 to the end of the season Liverpool were very much showing signs of improving fast.
- Liverpool had an emerging squad with most players still to reach their peaks
- Liverpool's start to last season was a continuation of the good form under a manager who had established his way of playing and got HIS team sorted.
- Since Jan 2013 Liverpool have lost 9 league games in 57 games - that's the form that suggested the 7th place finish of 2013 was misleading as to the real health of the squad.
- The form since January has been very poor - 7 losses in 19 games (just 2 fewer defeats than Liverpool but in 38 fewer games)
- The United's squad is in a state of flux - retirements over the past two summers of big players and younger players struggling to step up.
- United have a new manager, not someone who has had a year to get his ideas across in the way Rodgers did.
- The 7th placed finish wasn't misleading in the sense that United's form never really changed over the 38 games - unlike Liverpool who had two very distinct halves to Rodger's first season.
Frankly, that is ridiculous. Whether United finish top or 7th next season, I'd say it is a step into the unknown and tough to call. Uncertainty is the word that defines United right now. Second managerial appointment in 12 months plus an impending squad overhaul. Very few observers would describe that as "certain".
This is confusing. Are you comparing January 2013 to the end of the season or this season?
Sorry, in a nutshell I am saying that Liverpool's end to 2012-13 indicated that it was a team vastly improving (so 2013/14 wasn't totally out of the blue). By contrast, the end to 2013/14 indicates that United are in a state of decline and need serious work. Point being, both finished 7th respectively, but with different momentum.
It's going to be bloody entertaining, I have no doubt about that. They could sell tickets for his press conferences alone.
I can't help but remain sceptical about his appointment. His resume includes both good and the bad. Hopefully, we'll see the good side of him, and a desire to leave a lasting legacy in what most certainly is his last big job. Giggs as his assistant is comforting. If things go awry with LvG then we'll have a man ready made to take charge.
By uncertainty I meant about your lack of exposure to Europe with this current squad and management team. This term you could play your best available 11 after a week's rest with proper focus only on the PL matches. You have no clue how your team will fare with mid-week European fixtures now.
And of course there is uncertainty about our situation as well. There is no denying that. But that does not mean your situation is not stepping into the unknown either. Don't forget that the last time you made a fist for the title, you immediately slipped back into 7th again.
Also, the part about your 7th position being misleading is nonsense. You made two excellent additions in January. That is what propelled your second half of that season.
Is LVG the type of manager that rotates often?
Well, yeah, that was my point. Two great signings gave the team an edge that was taken into the new season suggesting that 7th wasn't a reflection as to where the team were heading. United didn't have that impetus following Januray buys.
As for the uncertaintly issue, I agree Liverpool face new challenges next season. I was merely taking issue with the idea that Liverpool's situation was more uncertain, which is what you said. I find that untrue given the changes going on at United.
I think dani4ever92 could even pronounce David Moyes and make him sound great. Maybe Louis can bring her along to be our new stadium announcer. She also has RvP in her portfolio.
Van Gaal:
Really can't wait for the new season to start. van Gaal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers and not just inside our club but the whole league. With no Europe, he'll have plenty of time on the training pitch and will have a fresh starting 11 every league game. If he gets us top 4 and bloods in a couple of youngsters, I'll be delighted. Perhaps he won't stay for long but he will surely lay the foundations for someone else (Giggs maybe) to come in and reap the rewards.
Really can't wait for the new season to start. van Gaal is going to ruffle a lot of feathers and not just inside our club but the whole league. With no Europe, he'll have plenty of time on the training pitch and will have a fresh starting 11 every league game. If he gets us top 4 and bloods in a couple of youngsters, I'll be delighted. Perhaps he won't stay for long but he will surely lay the foundations for someone else (Giggs maybe) to come in and reap the rewards.
Nicely put.
He prefers a 4-3-3. Is experimenting with a 3-5-2 with the Netherlands at the moment. Would expect us to be playing with a 4-3-3 under him though.
I guess he has permission to officially 'tap up' players now.
Well... it certainly won't be boring.
Your comments are so ironic, if two great signings gave your team an edge, what makes you think United can't make two great signings as well? If you would like to use stats concerning the 2nd half of the season building up to the next. Why shouldn't you look at the stats where Liverpool performance when they have CL part of the season?
After getting 2nd position in 08-09, you guys went on next season getting 7th and out of CL in the group stage in 09-10. Doesn't your theory contradicts itself? Your assumptions on uncertainty did not include how your team need to face midweek schedules of CL while United can just concentrate on PL itself. Looking at the season before this, your manager seemed not able to cope with european commitments in a season where he finished 7th in the league and get knocked out of Europa in the round of 32. It seem more likely that LFC might be more certain to place lower. Comparing to United, we have a off season with a manager who was incapable and not able to fully utilize his players. However, with a new manager coming in who had accomplished more than Rodgers and with a better transfer budget this summer, I see no reason why we are not going to get into top 4 with just PL our main focus.
It'll be great to have people hate us again for being good, and I really miss the drama that SAF brought to the table. LVG will bring that all back to the club.
We made an excellent addition in Mata who is a proven world class player and had started to show his ability towards the end. What you are forgetting is our most important change has happened now, with van Gaal in charge.
he already said the right things here. the sentence "This club has big ambitions, I too have big ambitions. Together we will make history" has already surpassed anything that came out from david moyes' mouth for the whole year.
it's good to have a manager with high confidence and big arrogance too ( it is good to be arrogant in football actually). fergei had this, jose is another one. van gaal certainly is part of this list. cannot blame moyes for not being ballsy enough because he hasn't won anything to be arrogant.
his press conference is going to be just unwaitable!
it's good to have a manager with high confidence and big arrogance too ( it is good to be arrogant in football actually). fergei had this, jose is another one. van gaal certainly is part of this list. cannot blame moyes for not being ballsy enough because he hasn't won anything to be arrogant.
his press conference is going to be just unwaitable!
Van Gaal confirmed that he has already discussed plans for the squad.
"We didn't talk about money," Van Gaal said.
"We talked about the players I want. We'll see if we can get them. We also talked about who can go."
Delighted.
"We didn't talk about money," Van Gaal said.
"We talked about the players I want. We'll see if we can get them. We also talked about who can go."
Delighted.
I believed Rio was one of them, that's why he announced he is leaving ManUtd. I also think that players who welcomed the new boss are basically safe. No one would welcome someone who wants them out right?
How would the players know though? They might just be sucking up to him. Doubt he's met anyone yet.
You may do, but you haven't yet. Plus, Coutinho and Sturridge had 5 months to bed in before the next season. So that's a luxury United don't have.
The club is 100 times more stable than then - 4 months after the end of the 09-10 season Liverpool were close to the brink until FSG bought out the debts. Liverpool currently have better owners. The circumstances are so different that such a comparison is probably futile.
Bit odd to use Rodgers' first season in charge as a barometer as to how he will do given the following 12 (18) months of progress. The Liverpool team that got knocked out of the EL is not relevant in my opinion - in relative terms that's ages ago. Not only i the team a lot better than then Rodgers has a much firmer base to from which to do his business.
Not the most compelling point. van Gaal is 21 years older than Rodgers, of course he's achieved more. However, in terms of the future trajectory of both teams I don't see it has much importance as both teams prepare for the new season. Heck, Hodgson and Sven have achieved more as well. Rodgers is an emerging manager who has taken an unfacied team to the brink of the league title, finishing above good teams. He's already done enough to suggest he belongs amongst the big boys. Trotting out the "show us your medals" line smacks of being a p*ssing contest.
No reason? Not one? I'll propose a few...
- 6 teams were better last season
- The top 4 are currently strong and will build on the back of having CL football to offer players
- LVG has no PL experience
- LVG needs to get it right in the market as he's being given money to buy a lot of players
Does Mourinho sell these types to rivals? I think you're overstating his impact and ignoring the elephant in the corner that he may be on the wane.
As for LVG, nothing is certain on that front. He's never managed in the PL.
Why are we letting Pickledred to wum about Liverpool in LVG thread.
This is a 3rd or 4th thread in which you are trying to prove Liverpool will be world beaters next year, ok, we got the point.
This is a 3rd or 4th thread in which you are trying to prove Liverpool will be world beaters next year, ok, we got the point.
You guys have probably already mentioned this but Sky Sports news channel stated LvG has said to dutch television station he has already identified his transfer targets and players he expects to leave Old Trafford.
He doesn't mess around, David Moyes goes on holiday and dithers over De Rossi (according to Rudi Garcia). Louis van Gaal already has a job yet his working in his role as Manchester United manager part time, he doesn't need holidays.
He doesn't mess around, David Moyes goes on holiday and dithers over De Rossi (according to Rudi Garcia). Louis van Gaal already has a job yet his working in his role as Manchester United manager part time, he doesn't need holidays.
I dont know Kluivert well enough to make that judgement. I do love the idea of Giggs taking over from Van Gaal but I'm far to attached to astrology to not realise that these 2 guys could seriously clash or be amazingly brilliant.
Isn't the Manchester United forum off limits for supporters of other clubs?
We were not rivals last season and maybe he just has a soft spot form United. Additionally, he could force Mata to want to go elsewhere.
Oh and 6 goals and 4 assists in 15 games for a struggling team is on the wane?
glad kluivert isn't joining btw. he rejected us back in 1998 by saying arsenal is the only english team he would join. glad we signed yorke instead and ends up with the treble.
so van gaal has brought along a GK coach and an opponent scout specialist to be with him and giggsy. surely there is a place or two left on the bench. hoping for someone like rene now.
A lot was made of that holiday Moyes went on jokingly last summer, but you have to wonder if it was the right thing for him to do, considering how little he seemed to know about our players and the shambles that the transfer window turned out to be.
At the garbage end of the season.
Interestingly, I didn't even bring up Liverpool in my original post but then others enticed me into a debate when they brought Liverpool into it. It's not all one way.
I will stay clear if it's getting annoying. Sorry.
Please do, it is annoying.