Van Der Vaart On The Move

SharkyMcShark said:
FIFPro should stay out of this. Van Der Vaart has a contract there and if they can't feck him off it's hardly Madrid's fault, so I don't see why they should be penalised by losing an asset that could potentially be of benefit to them.
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FifPro is right. Real don't give him a possibility to prove himself on the pitch so they should let him go, even if the offers for him don't meet with their expecatitions. Even if the offers are too low, they shouldn't have a right to ban a player from playing for a whole season.

However, it's a bit ironic with van der Vaart as he's not exactly a saint either. He was under contract with Hamburg, they didn't want to sell him - yet he posed with a Valencia shirt for the mags. To force their hand, he even feigned an injury.
 
kouroux said:
Careful with this sort of argument cause it could easily be rendered to zero and I'm not the one who mentioned Gerrard you did.
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It wasn't my main argument, it just underlined it.

I just said he's overrated and even at Hamburg he never really impressed me.Confirmation received on how he played in Spain when he was fit.
Sneijder is the real player not VDV
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How so? Van der Vaart was Hamburg's best player, by a country mile. And how can you judge him on his spell at Madrid? He hardly played and it was his first season in a new league. He might not be suited for clubs like Madrid because he's at his best when the team is built around him but he's an absolute quality player.
 
Lailiani said:
FifPro is right. Real doesn't give him a possibility to prove himself on the pitch so they should let him go, even if the offers for him don't meet with their expecatitions. Even if the offers are too low, they shouldn't have a right to ban a player from playing for a whole season.

However, it's a bit ironic with van der Vaart as he's not exactly a saint either. He was under contract with Hamburg, they didn't want to sell him - yet he posed with a Valencia shirts for the mags. To force their hand, he even feigned an injury.
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FifPro isn't right. It's a puff piece, nothing more. I'm afraid your argument has no basis in law whatsoever. In fact, the swing towards the side of the player you're suggesting would not only potentially ruin the game, it has no rational logic behind it.

Footballers aren't employees in the traditional sense, in the same way football isn't considered a business is the traditional sense by the European Commission/Court of Justice.

Clearly they want rid, but as much as he is an employee, his registration is an asset. It's their choice whether they want to devalue that asset by not utilising it. Who says they're banning him? They've made him available for transfer. If he isn't gone by the end of the window, I'm sure he'll be given a number, just in case.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
I love those posts, "overrated player" without any reason or explination for it.

26 with nearly 70 caps for Holland, overrated by who? The lad has bags of talent that's undisputable.
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Overrated by plenty of football followers and journalists.Look I'm not actually saying he's shit just that he isn't as good as he is made out to be.
Plenty of average players get several caps for some big footballing nations so using his Holland matches is useless.
Lailiani said:
How so? Van der Vaart was Hamburg's best player, by a country mile. And how can you judge him on his spell at Madrid? He hardly played and it was his first season in a new league. He might not be suited for clubs like Madrid because he's at his best when the team is built around him but he's an absolute quality player.
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Maybe because Hamburg was an average team filled with average players .It's easy to stand out in a club like that when you are decent in football.
Did I judge him at Madrid ? I just said he never really impressed me, it's not like I'm saying he's a crap player.Just because I used "overrated" to describe him doesn't mean I'm not rating at all.
 
kouroux said:
Overrated by plenty of football followers and journalists.Look I'm not actually saying he's shit just that he isn't as good as he is made out to be.
Plenty of average players get several caps for some big footballing nations so using his Holland matches is useless.
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I was an Ajax season-ticket holder for three seasons while he played there, the consensus among the Ajax fans was that he was the best Ajax player since Bergkamp played there. I'm not saying he's world-class, but I think that you're severely underrating him. The fact that he's consistently picked for Holland ahead of Sneijder, Seedorf, Afellay, van Bommel and Babel surely says something.
 
jacoplane said:
I was an Ajax season-ticket holder for three seasons while he played there, the consensus among the Ajax fans was that he was the best Ajax player since Bergkamp played there. I'm not saying he's world-class, but I think that you're severely underrating him. The fact that he's consistently picked for Holland ahead of Sneijder, Seedorf, Afellay, van Bommel and Babel surely says something.
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It does say something and I partially agree with you.I never said he was rubbish btw and we all know that dutch coaches are often for the way they set up the national team.Just because some player gets picked more often than another for his country doesn't necessarily always mean he's better (I'm not saying this sentence for the VDV case).I just wanna precise that I rate him but not as highly as I've seen people do
 
I think VdV is being judged harshly because he is a very talented player but he doesn't do enough of it often enough. We played Hamburg in the CL a couple of years back and he scored a super goal but overall he was too peripheral.
 
peterstorey said:
I think VdV is being judged harshly because he is a very talented player but he doesn't do enough of it often enough. We played Hamburg in the CL a couple of years back and he scored a super goal but overall he was too peripheral.
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One player can't run a whole team. Hamburg aren't that great a team and you can hardly expect him to make up for all other players.
 
The 25 player limit is an issue for Madrid and I don't know what happens of they hit that limit. Presumably they persuade the younger ones to go out on loan, drop to the reserves. If they don't register a player like Van der Vaart it may well be a form of "constructive dismissal" but I doubt even Madrid would fall into that trap. They will however be keen to get his very high wages off the books. Pellegrini allegedly thinks he's not mentally strong enough to be in the team. I've no idea if that's true but he didn't impress me last year. So I bet he'll be cheap.

But he's just part of the For Sale story.
Sneidjer may well be off to Inter - which could suit him and them, though I don't think Madrid are eager to sell, so not a cheap sale.
Negredo may be off to Hull or Zenit - he fancies the premiership apparently - he'd be a very good buy for Hull I think, maybe the buy of the season.
 
Would be a good signing for them, a very good signing, that said I doubt that it will happen
 
Decent signing if true. But always thought he is overrated. Rafa will probably play him in goal though and push Reina into midfield.
 
Manchester United Ready To Offer €23m For Real Madrid's Rafael van der Vaart - Report
The midfielder is yet again being linked with a summer exit...
By Anthony Wright
May 22, 2010 12:31:00 PM


Despite a positive season with Real Madrid under Manuel Pellegrini, Rafael van der Vaart could yet leave La Liga for the Premier League if the latest reports are to be believed.

Van der Vaart was strongly linked with an exit last summer but eventually remained with los Blancos, and a string of strong performances have raised his market value again.

AS now believes that Manchester United are willing to stump up €23 million for the Dutchman, who is highly rated by manager Sir Alex Ferguson. It is not the first time that the former Hamburg midfielder has been linked with the Premier League, as Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and Manchester City have all been credited with an interest in the past.

There is little chance of the figure being greatly reduced as van der Vaart is under contract at the Bernabeu until 2013 and it is believed that he is still eager to remain at the club.

However, with no trophies to show for the €250m spending last summer, Florentino Perez is reportedly ready to splash the cash in the market again this year, starting with Inter coach Jose Mourinho. A new coach and more expensive signings could therefore put van der Vaart's place in los Merengues' squad in jeopardy.

Manchester United Ready To Offer ?23m For Real Madrid's Rafael van der Vaart - Report - Goal.com
 
That would be a very good buy for you, if you want to buy him I'd do it now before the Netherlands blitz a few teams and his transfer value grows out of nowhere.
 
Kelvin said:
Manchester United Ready To Offer €23m For Real Madrid's Rafael van der Vaart - Report
The midfielder is yet again being linked with a summer exit...
By Anthony Wright
May 22, 2010 12:31:00 PM


Despite a positive season with Real Madrid under Manuel Pellegrini, Rafael van der Vaart could yet leave La Liga for the Premier League if the latest reports are to be believed.

Van der Vaart was strongly linked with an exit last summer but eventually remained with los Blancos, and a string of strong performances have raised his market value again.

AS now believes that Manchester United are willing to stump up €23 million for the Dutchman, who is highly rated by manager Sir Alex Ferguson. It is not the first time that the former Hamburg midfielder has been linked with the Premier League, as Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and Manchester City have all been credited with an interest in the past.

There is little chance of the figure being greatly reduced as van der Vaart is under contract at the Bernabeu until 2013 and it is believed that he is still eager to remain at the club.

However, with no trophies to show for the €250m spending last summer, Florentino Perez is reportedly ready to splash the cash in the market again this year, starting with Inter coach Jose Mourinho. A new coach and more expensive signings could therefore put van der Vaart's place in los Merengues' squad in jeopardy.

Manchester United Ready To Offer ?23m For Real Madrid's Rafael van der Vaart - Report - Goal.com
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i rate him, but feck that, he's not worth more than sneijder, who is younger and better.

23 million euro is taking the piss for a player who didn't even have a squad number during last preseason.

12-15 million euro tops. 15 million euro last season by inter landed sneijder.
 
Good player but 23mil? You must be joking.
 
Can't believe we're discussing Van der Vaart without posting gratuitous pictures of his wife...

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VDV is a fecking fantastic player, I remember saying last season we should Sneijder or VDV preferably both. Now we missed the boat with Wesley, lets not do it with Rafael.
 
He made 30 appearances and scored 7 goals last year, although I don't remember seeing him play that much. Bizarre.
 
Team Brian GB said:
Considering James Milner is valued at more than £20 million by Villa, Van der Vaart would be an absolute steal at that price.
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Milner being English is as expected over-rated and over priced. Van Der vaart is class no doubt about that but to be around £10M sounds fair value for both parties.
 
VoetbalWizard said:
you think he's worth almost double sneijer? :wenger:
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No I don't, I think his move to Inter last year seriously undervalued him whilst people are undervaluing VDV here when the market says Milner is worth more than £20 million.

I was desperate for one of the two last summer.
 
Raoul said:
He made 30 appearances and scored 7 goals last year, although I don't remember seeing him play that much. Bizarre.
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He was barely in the team at the start, then Kaka's injuries came and VDV started off in the same role in behind the strikers, but he's been played at the left of a middle three and had a surprisingly good season. Worked harder than I've ever seen too, which would've been my only objection before. If we're looking for a bit of flair and creativity, plus goals from midfield, VDV's an easy fit.
 
Team Brian GB said:
No I don't, I think his move to Inter last year seriously undervalued him whilst people are undervaluing VDV here when the market says Milner is worth more than £20 million.

I was desperate for one of the two last summer.
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agreed, sneijder was undervalued, but my valuation of VDV stems from the sneijder deal. why pay extra for a player not as talented, slower, and older by 2.25 years.

milner is irrelevant. he's english and that's why the market is 20 million for him. A foreign club would never go to 20 million for the sheepshagger.
 
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