Van Der Vaart On The Move

Madrid can only register 25 players - they've got 30. Van der Vaart isn't good enough to be in the first 11 and he's not Spanish, not cheap, not unsellable and he's not loved by the crowd, which makes him unsuitable even as a fringe of the team benchwarmer. He's also according to some of the Madrid press part of the night club loving wing of the Dutch contingent.

He's right to move. I can't see him strengthening any of the PL top 4.

Another one for City.
 
Lailiani said:
It's something between a striker and an offensive midfielder, "hängende Spitze". What's the right term in English?
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A number 10? Generally a 9 is line leader. And a number 10 runs the show just behind the main striker. I guess Maradona was a classic number 10. He could play just behind the striker and in midfield.
 
i think Van der Vaart is a good player, although not one that we need. I consider him similar to Giggs in style and role now, although Giggs is obviously better when it comes to dribbling and close control, whilst Van der Vaart surely has the egde on dead ball situations and set pieces.
 
MadDogg said:
Think he would be a fantastic pick-up for Milan. But he wouldn't worry me much if he joined one of our English rivals, I don't think he'd be able to hack it.
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You may be right, he doesnt seem like the type who would be suited that well to the EPL.
 
Spoony! said:
A number 10?
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Technically, yes - a number 9,5 doesn't actually exist in football. But the number 10 doesn't distinguish between typical creative attacking midfielders like Diego and players like van der Vaart that act somewhere between the strikeforce and the attacking midfield. Diego is a number 10. According to you, van der Vaart is also a number 10. Yet they played in different roles.
 
Lailiani said:
Technically, yes - a number 9,5 doesn't actually exist in football. But the number 10 doesn't distinguish between typical creative attacking midfielders like Diego and players like van der Vaart that act somewhere between the strikeforce and the attacking midfield. Diego is a number 10. According to you, van der Vaart is also a number 10. Yet they played in different roles.
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VdV's natural position is as a number 10, the role he played in difference to Maradona is simply according to the system/styles.
 
Van Der Vaart is superb but he's got the big club syndrome i think. He didnt want to move to a big club so joined Hamburg, then after being the star man moaned about playing for a big club and buggered off to Madrid where he couldnt hack it.

I think Van Der Vaart is fantastic when he is in the mood but his mentality is letting him down, he lacks confidence at times. I think you need to stick that lad in a 3 man midfield and let him do what he likes, he is that talented and has a bit of magic in his left foot.

He is a playmaker plain and simple.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Van Der Vaart is superb but he's got the big club syndrome i think. He didnt want to move to a big club so joined Hamburg, then after being the star man moaned about playing for a big club and buggered off to Madrid where he couldnt hack it.
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He didn't moan about playing for a big club. He just wanted to move to Spain, because his mother is Spanish and his grandparents dreamt of him playing in Spain. He was happy enough to move to Valencia and it's only down to the fact Hamburg didn't want to let him go two years ago that he didn't join them.

He lacks a bit professionalism and ambition, apart from that he's a very decent player. Hamburg have spend much money in this transfer window, but I could still see him come back. His wife works in Germany and as she has breast cancer, he'll probably don't want to expect a move to a new city of her. A club that wants to get the best out of van der Vaart has to build the team around him. Hamburg are able to do that.
 
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I would love him at United, as I've always liked him as a player, but don't think we'll get him. He would work nicely as the attacking midfield playmaker we perhaps lack, but can't see Ferguson shelling out the money when we have similar players (although those players, such as Anderson, aren't fully developed yet).

The thing with him is, he needs the team to revolve around him. At Hamburg, he was the focal point of all their creativity and that was why he was so successful. At Madrid, or at United if we bought him, he wouldn't get that privilege.

He's a quality player though and will do well wherever he goes - anyone who thinks he wouldn't play well in England are silly. A couple of years ago Hamburg played Arsenal in the Champions League and he ran the show in both games, home and away, scoring a cracker of a goal at the Emirates as well.
 
He`d fit the Italian league better than the Premiership I think. Why, I don`t know.


I`ll muppet a bit though and say that if we were to get one of Madrid's Dutchmen, then I`d love it to be Arjen Robben. Yes he is an absolute cnut, and yes he is injured more than Owen Hargreaves. But when on form he is the best left winger around, and would fit United like a glove. He doesn`t do much defensively obviously, but with the hardworking right wingers we have at this squad I think he would be perfect.
 
Ruben said:
He`d fit the Italian league better than the Premiership I think. Why, I don`t know.


I`ll muppet a bit though and say that if we were to get one of Madrid's Dutchmen, then I`d love it to be Arjen Robben. Yes he is an absolute cnut, and yes he is injured more than Owen Hargreaves. But when on form he is the best left winger around, and would fit United like a glove. He doesn`t do much defensively obviously, but with the hardworking right wingers we have at this squad I think he would be perfect.
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He's not that player anymore. He's now Cristiano Ronaldo without the goals or assists.
 
Ekeke said:
He's not that player anymore. He's now Cristiano Ronaldo without the goals or assists.
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Granted he has been out of form. I`m pretty sure he can find it again though. He is still a dangerous player, who can make things happen.
 
Lailiani said:
He didn't moan about playing for a big club. He just wanted to move to Spain, because his mother is Spanish and his grandparents dreamt of him playing in Spain. He was happy enough to move to Valencia and it's only down to the fact Hamburg didn't want to let him go two years ago that he didn't join them.

He lacks a bit professionalism and ambition, apart from that he's a very decent player. Hamburg have spend much money in this transfer window, but I could still see him come back. His wife works in Germany and as she has breast cancer, he'll probably don't want to expect a move to a new city of her. A club that wants to get the best out of van der Vaart has to build the team around him. Hamburg are able to do that.
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exactly, he needs to be the fulcrum of the attack, at a big club you basically have to fit into the team and not feel underappreciated.

I wasn't aware of his mother being spanish or his wife having breast cancer, two things that will easily influence any decision he makes on his future.
 
http://www.fifpro.org/index.php?mod=one&id=17181&PHPSESSID=7fe43e5afd7b7c00952ffbe0b7db4780

Real Madrid should let Van der Vaart go for free

Real Madrid has had a busy summer buying players. The Spanish club has spend more than 250 million euro on Kaká, Cristiano Ronaldo, Karim Benzema, Raúl Albiol, Xabi Alonso, Esteban Granero and Alvaro Alberloa.

Now Real needs to offload players, because it can only register 25 players for the domestic competitions. Last week Klaas-Jan Huntelaar was shipped to AC Milan. Rafael van der Vaart seems to be next. Coach Manuel Pellegrini has told the midfielder that he is no longer part of the squad and he won't be registered.

The Dutch international is planning to leave. 'It makes no sense staying here', he said after Pellegrini's message. With the World Cup coming up in the summer of 2010 the 26-year old wants to play on a regular basis.

'It's obvious that Real is not planning to let Van der Vaart play and does not want to make use of his services anymore. He even did not get a player's number for the new season. In such a case they should let him walk away for free', says FIFPro lawyer Wil van Megen. 'Apparently he's worth nothing to them, so why should they ask a transfer fee?'

Real Madrid signed Van der Vaart from Hamburger SV in August 2008 for a fee of 15 million euro. His contract runs until the summer of 2013. Van Megen continues: 'FIFA and the clubs always talk about players who should respect their contracts. But in this case Real is the one who is not respecting the contract. They have just written Van der Vaart off by refusing him to be a part of the team. In my opinion by acting in this way Real has lost the right to demand a transfer fee for this player.'
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Maybe SAF should put one of his lawyers on this, signing him for free would be awesome IMO. VdV is supposed to be starting in the friendly against England tonight ahead of Wesley Sneijder, keep an eye on him. FIFPro is a pretty reputable organisation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFPro
 
Why would they sell him for free when they could get a transfer fee for him?

Just because they have no practical use for him, it doesn't mean he has no value. There'll be a club somewhere willing to pay at least £10 million for a player of his quality.
 
I'm not sure that bloke is a very good lawyer. Or that he understands the concept of being 'worth nothing'.

Still, at least he got some spastic with a pen and a notepad to report it. Well done to them both.
 
rednev said:
Why would they sell him for free when they could get a transfer fee for him?

Just because they have no practical use for him, it doesn't mean he has no value. There'll be a club somewhere willing to pay at least £10 million for a player of his quality.
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Well if Real is in breach of contract then they would have no right to ask for a transfer fee...
 
I dont know anything about this player, so i dont know if he'd suit our team or not. We could probably get him for 10mill. Is he worth it? I've no idea!
 
Scholesgoals said:
I dont know anything about this player, so i dont know if he'd suit our team or not. We could probably get him for 10mill. Is he worth it? I've no idea!
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In Holland and Germany he's very highly rated. By far the best player for Ajax (better than Ibrahimovic at the time) and Hamburg. Never really got a chance to prove his worth at Real, though. He consistently plays in the Dutch squad ahead of players like Sneijder and Robben, here's a good video, terrible music as usual:

 
Scholesgoals said:
I dont know anything about this player, so i dont know if he'd suit our team or not. We could probably get him for 10mill. Is he worth it? I've no idea!
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technically superb player. Lacks a bit of bottle though, not sure he is cut out for the very top but on his day he's a great little play maker, wand of a left peg with great skill and eye for a pass.
 
jacoplane said:
Well if Real is in breach of contract then they would have no right to ask for a transfer fee...
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Whoa, what breach of contract is there? Them not considering him part of their plans? Them wanting to sell him to balance the books after buying players who are clearly better than him?

Nah, this is a non-story.
 
Lailiani said:
How so? He might not be topclub material but as far as I know nobody said that he's in a bracket with the likes of Gerrard, etc.

Yet, he's a very good player and was truly brilliant for Hamburg - there's a reason why Valencia and Real Madrid bid for him.
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Careful with this sort of argument cause it could easily be rendered to zero and I'm not the one who mentioned Gerrard you did.
I just said he's overrated and even at Hamburg he never really impressed me.Confirmation received on how he played in Spain when he was fit.
Sneijder is the real player not VDV
 
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