US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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Obama will have a contract put on him by the NRA

Saliph said:
That has crossed my mind as well. Far-right people in America will go absolutely batshit if he wins again, and someone could well take it over the line.
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I fear if that day were to come. It would very well start pockets of civil unrest and inevitably racial fights/murders (and some not racially motivated, just Lib vs Con) throughout the country. It could become a modern day civil war. :nervous:
 
Relax, chaps.

Obama will be re-elected, the economy will be in good shape by 2016 and he'll be considered a very good President.

If I had a dime for every time I saw civil war predicted in America I'd have... well, a couple of dollars, but that's comparably a lot considering America is not a daily topic of discussion in my social circles.
 
Red Dreams said:
Ever since Obama became our President I have thought about what happened to President Kennedy.

I pray he will be safe.

Because should he be killed...it will tear this country apart...a true civil war.
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:lol:

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Feeky_Magee said:
Relax, chaps.

Obama will be re-elected, the economy will be in good shape by 2016 and he'll be considered a very good President.

If I had a dime for every time I saw civil war predicted in America I'd have... well, a couple of dollars, but that's comparably a lot considering America is not a daily topic of discussion in my social circles.
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I thought you weren't allowed in any social circles
 
Feeky_Magee said:
If I had a dime for every time I saw civil war predicted in America I'd have... well, a couple of dollars, but that's comparably a lot considering America is not a daily topic of discussion in my social circles.
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:lol: you're on form tonight

Incidentally, have any of you cnuts seen The Civil War, the Ken Burns documentary series from the late eighties? I watched all ten eps recently, you can get it on itunes for about seventeen quid.

I'd seen it as a kid and it had a big effect on me. Best documentary series I've ever seen. Just beautiful, and teaches you a lot about America.

The thing about the Civil War is that it was, without wanting to beg the question, pretty much a war between countries. That's a far cry from a bunch of fecknuts in Idaho with a basement full of Uzis. The National Guard would take care of those jokers in approximately twelve seconds.

But if, as they often argue is imminent, the United Nations were to invade America, and if the Army stood idle, my money would be on the Idaho fecknuts. I reckon they could take them.
 
Feeky_Magee said:
Red Dreams going all Dick Morris on us. No way NC goes Dem. I'll be very impressed if you called that right.
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You never know, Silver has it only slightly safer for Romney than Virginia is for Obama and that's being called a toss-up, and it's even less safe than Iowa and New Hampshire. If a lot of those early voters really were newly registered on Obama's side then he has a shot. Unlikely, perhaps very, but I wouldn't be excessively surprised given all I've read on it.
 
Living in NC, I'm fairly certain it's not going blue again. The governor's race, which is typically a Democrat, has the GOP candidate destroying the Democrat. It would be very surprising for Romney to lose NC.
 
Plechazunga said:
:lol: you're on form tonight

Incidentally, have any of you cnuts seen The Civil War, the Ken Burns documentary series from the late eighties? I watched all ten eps recently, you can get it on itunes for about seventeen quid.

I'd seen it as a kid and it had a big effect on me. Best documentary series I've ever seen. Just beautiful, and teaches you a lot about America.

The thing about the Civil War is that it was, without wanting to beg the question, pretty much a between countries. That's a far cry from a bunch of fecknuts in Idaho with a basement full of Uzis. The National Guard would take care of those jokers in approximately twelve seconds.

But if, as they often argue is imminent, the United Nations were to invade America, and if the Army stood idle, my money would be on the Idaho fecknuts. I reckon they could take them.
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Ken Burns was brilliant its just you get so many weird and strange views by Americans,especially wing nuts
 
Maplered said:
I hope we dont have to invade and defeat them again like the war of 1812, I like going across the bridge and saving 25% on my groceries in the US
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If you weren't such a bunch of pansies, you could have been a part of this awesome party. Instead you stayed home like the Mad King told you and still get to call his great-great-etc-granddaughter queen while eating poutine.
 
I think that with the election so close I can reveal this to you guys at no risk to the campaign. I've been working with Organizing For America, the Obama campaign, and I've entered all of you guys into voter registration system in Ohio. You'll all be voting for the President, obviously. Those of you with common surnames will be voting multiple times. Thanks for everything!
 
Eboue said:
I think that with the election so close I can reveal this to you guys at no risk to the campaign. I've been working with Organizing For America, the Obama campaign, and I've entered all of you guys into voter registration system in Ohio. You'll all be voting for the President, obviously. Those of you with common surnames will be voting multiple times. Thanks for everything!
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do we all live in the same house?
 
Quick. Someone screen shot post 12697, email it to your favorite right-wing lunatic radio/TV personality, get some popcorn, and enjoy the inevitable "This proves they're stealing the election!" breaking news on FOX.
 
Feeky_Magee said:
The judge overturned that decision, actually.

By the by, Nevada's basically in the bag for Barry:

http://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/whose-voters-are-they-anyhow#.UJhloW8xqSo
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GOP have privately already conceded it, apparently. A few of Jon's points are also why NC could be closer than it looks - OFA are extremely good at getting out low propensity and newly registered voters.

Sir Matt said:
Living in NC, I'm fairly certain it's not going blue again. The governor's race, which is typically a Democrat, has the GOP candidate destroying the Democrat. It would be very surprising for Romney to lose NC.
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But hilarious. Are you in a city or more rural place? Know many Obama voters that have switched?
 
MrMarcello said:
Quick. Someone screen shot post 12697, email it to your favorite right-wing lunatic radio/TV personality, get some popcorn, and enjoy the inevitable "This proves they're stealing the election!" breaking news on FOX.
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Someone really should do this. Wouldn't put it beyond Fox to actually go with it.
 
NC is going Romney for sure, unfortunately. As of last night Obama was 40,000 votes down on 2008, and the GOP were up 60,000.
 
If Mitt Romney wins in North Carolina Tuesday, his victory will be sponsored by the number 14,000. Actually, 14,177 to be exact, says Clair Mahoney, president of the Charlotte/ Mecklenburg Republican Women. She should know, it’s a number she’s been obsessing over for years.

In 2008, Obama won Mecklenburg County–powered by the Democratic stronghold of Charlotte—and this reliably red state turned blue for the first time in more than 30 years.

It was a tipping point, Mahoney says. “They did it by out registering us” And at the Romney headquarters in Charlotte, volunteers said this year is different. That 14,177 number became “personal, in a positive shift,” Mahoney says, as “regular citizens who didn’t live and breathe politics lost jobs, and now they are finally looking up and want to participate.”

Obama began Election Day 2008 with a 305,000 vote advantage because of early voting.

This year, with over 2.7 million early votes cast, Republicans make up 31.4 percent of total early voters (approximately 860,000) in person and by mail and Democrats make up 47.7 (1.3 million), said Jonathan Kappler, research director for the non-partisan North Carolina FreeEnterprise Foundation.

According to Rachel Adams spokesperson for the Romney campaign in North Carolina, 42,000 fewer Democrats in North Carolina voted early this year than 2008, compared to 89,000 more Republicans who voted early. “The math isn’t adding up for Democrats in North Carolina,” Adams says. “We have gained 132,395 votes through 17 days of early voting and are confident we will maintain this momentum on Election Day.”

The numbers are embedded in the Democratic psyche as well. Nearly 4,500 people crowded a hangar in Charlotte for a rally with first lady Michelle Obama. “In 2008 when we elected Barack Obama with just over 14,000 votes, we shocked the world,” said Charlotte Mayor Anthony Fox as a nearby Forward banner waved in the breeze. “We have a chance to make history once again.”

After the crowd cheered singer Mariah Carey, the first lady took the stage and said this year, the vote margins were tight, tight. “Own it. Believe it. This election is going to be closer than the last one, and it’s going to come down to a few key battleground states like North Carolina,” Michelle Obama said. “He won by 14,000 votes last time. That’s five votes here, or 40 votes there.” She urged those who had early voted to help get others out to the polls.
At the Romney campaign, a steady stream of volunteers were in and out, picking up signs, while others manned the phones. Mahoney pointed to the enthusiasm of people like Liz Capitano, who came six weeks ago to pick up a Romney bumper sticker, and “now she runs the place.” Capitano said she drops off her grandkids, then answers phone, puts signs together, or just listens to people who call the campaign to talk about what they’re going through.

“At the close of early voting, we were up 14,000 early voters from where we were in 2008 at the close of early voting,” Mahoney says proudly. It’s a number she fervently hopes to reclaim for North Carolina Republicans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs.../?Post+generic=?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost
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This article on NC is confusing me. Whole tone seems to be positive for Republicans but the figures suggest Dems have boosted their early voting advantage from 305,000 votes to 440,000? :confused: Which is then completely contradicted in the next paragraph.
 
Red Dreams said:
yeah..the 'people' in the south were a majority too...

they just did not want black people to vote.
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Anybody from any side comfortable with the idea of denying those that disagree with them the right to have a say, could happily lay claim to that argument. That goes for despots as well.

Red Dreams said:
It does not matter what their intention/priorities/interpretations are. What matters is the result.
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In fact those other things really, really do matter as those are the strata on which things actually get discussed and where minds get changed. It needs to be acknowldged and indeed celebrated that very smart people can disagree on very important things, and that's the only environment where respect -> consensus -> governance can flourish. The thing is that we are increasingly refusing to believe that. We're also increasingly voting in demagogues that pander to this destructive nonsense, with the right admittedly and overwhelmingly driving the trend.

I will state categorically that there are people on the right (and of course the left) that know more, are smarter and wiser, and understand the issues much better than I do. Given that, it would be arrogant of me, and unhealthy to society to count any of them out, or to even brand their whole side as uninformed. I'm not even sure how you logically square how half the country can disagree with us. Do you really see all of them as stupid/uninformed/evil/selfish/manipulated? For all those people that statistically just can't make sense. Witness the good Mr. Marcello who's come over to the light. I doubt he switched sides because our lot were calling him this and that.

Red Dreams said:
And yes..their vote will be counted....within the current system.
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Yes, their vote will be counted, but only sort of, though from your tone...

Red Dreams said:
I don't want uniformed people in the red states deciding who the president will be.
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...it sounds like you'd happily have them discarded and that's what I'd take issue with.

Sorry Red, I don't mean to have a pop at you. This rant isn't really at you, but what I've unfairly chosen these posts of yours to represent. I like your politics, am in awe at your political diligence, and you're a swell eChap. A big part of why I don't say much around these parts is because you've already said it. However, I really do abhor your (and I think most of you on here) outlook concerning the "other side". This partisanship is all part of the problem. Folks on this thread (and all over this internet) are having too much fun painting the other side with cartoonish palettes. Monocle wearing blue-bloods, racist revivalists, yank retards etc. Like some of you I do actually live here and am confounded where folks think this approach is going to lead. You can't think that this caricaturing is actually supposed to change any minds, and I'd thought that's what this whole campaign lark is supposed to be about.

Anyway, the net of ideas for this rant has already frayed and I've wandered off. I reckon this thread has got me addled as it's mired in what's so misleading about the electoral process here. Minds are long made up, and are instead engaging in incessant statistical analysis of what some ridiculously small subsection of the populace in a ridiculously small subsection of states that might still be in play. This is more about consultants, pollsters, and pundits than it is democracy.

Yer man Springsteen was on form today. Good for him. Said some great things about our Barrack.
 
I was going off numbers from a guy that compiles exit polls. He was on NPR this morning. They have 600 people in the field, 350 doing national polls and 250 in close precincts in the swing states.
 
Feeky_Magee said:
This article on NC is confusing me. Whole tone seems to be positive for Republicans but the figures suggest Dems have boosted their early voting advantage from 305,000 votes to 440,000? :confused: Which is then completely contradicted in the next paragraph.
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while Democrats have registered and voted same day..so have Republicans.

It will be a true reach for Democrats to win NC this time round. But I would rather be confident rather than be :nervous:...which in spite of all the numbers pointing to an Obama win, I fear the GOP may try hanky panky to steal it. The only plus is..they will have to steal a lot of states.

332 is a realistic reach.

Heck I will be happy to be wrong so long as Obama wins.
 
Plechazunga said:
:lol: you're on form tonight

Incidentally, have any of you cnuts seen The Civil War, the Ken Burns documentary series from the late eighties? I watched all ten eps recently, you can get it on itunes for about seventeen quid.

I'd seen it as a kid and it had a big effect on me. Best documentary series I've ever seen. Just beautiful, and teaches you a lot about America.
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It really was a splendid series. I bought those Shelby Foote books for my dad, but wound up reading them myself. One of the many things that got me in that series was how well spoken those letters home were. Maybe they were chosen selectively, or perhaps it was just that lonesome banjo they always had playing. Too bad none of those blokes will be posting on here. They really could turn a phrase.
 
Can't speak as to the validity of that claim on voting machines, but in general the GOP's not-so-subtle attempt to suppress the vote has been ridiculous and shameful. My favourite one was when they changed voter ID laws in Colorado. The Secretary of State there had predicted almost 12k non-citizens registered to vote. After massive purges, the final figure? 141. Of which 35 had ever voted in anything.
 
Feeky_Magee said:
This article on NC is confusing me. Whole tone seems to be positive for Republicans but the figures suggest Dems have boosted their early voting advantage from 305,000 votes to 440,000? :confused: Which is then completely contradicted in the next paragraph.
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I think it's mixing up the total early vote lead for Obama in 08, and the totals of the registered votes for each party (there are a lot of indies as well, who'll likely go Romney) so far this time. The focus on the Republican number is also a bit of a red herring, since it only matters if they're getting unlikely voters out as the Dems will be. If you're just transplanting people that would vote on election day anyway, makes no difference to the total.

Also mjs, those numbers just look like the ones on http://www.carolinatransparency.com/ - and incidentally the Dems were up on their total from 08 until the storm hit.
 
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