US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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"Last best hope of Earth" is from the Emancipation Proclamation:

Fellow-citizens, we cannot escape history. We of this Congress and this administration, will be remembered in spite of ourselves. No personal significance, or insignificance, can spare one or another of us. The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the latest generation. We say we are for the Union. The world will not forget that we say this. We know how to save the Union. The world knows we do know how to save it. We -- even we here -- hold the power, and bear the responsibility. In giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free -- honorable alike in what we give, and what we preserve. We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth. Other means may succeed; this could not fail. The way is plain, peaceful, generous, just -- a way which, if followed, the world will forever applaud, and God must forever bless.

Because, y'know, a raise in the capital gains tax and some health care regulations are just like slavery.
 
Heh, and the new PPP says 36% have. Nate Cohn (aka Nate II) ventured that some might say they've voted if they've filled out an absentee ballot but not submitted yet, could account for some of the discrepancies. But yeah, it's a big variable that pollsters can't quite get a handle on yet, it seems.

It still doesn't mean they get placed into an 'unlikely to vote' category. More likely, they've been over-weighting White and landline-reachable voters all year along. That still makes the latest polls more accurate than polls conducted a month ago, becasue their demographic screening hasn't changed. Except, of course, for Gallup, who corrected their sample to include cellphone-only households and ended up showing a big swing towards Romney. Somehow.
 
It still doesn't mean they get placed into an 'unlikely to vote' category. More likely, they've been over-weighting White and landline-reachable voters all year along. That still makes the latest polls more accurate than polls conducted a month ago, becasue their demographic screening hasn't changed. Except, of course, for Gallup, who corrected their sample to include cellphone-only households and ended up showing a big swing towards Romney. Somehow.

I agree that they should get more accurate as they add in the actual voters. The likely-voter screens sound like one of the biggest variables among different pollsters, so it's good to have them minimised to an extent.
 
"Last best hope of Earth" is from the Emancipation Proclamation:



Because, y'know, a raise in the capital gains tax and some health care regulations are just like slavery.

Ah, thanks for that. Of course tax cuts for rich people is basically of the same moral imperative as freeing people from slavery, so the corollary is both appropriate and accurate.

The whole thing is so stupid that I can't believe this sort of distortion is anything but a purposeful attempt at creating misinformation. There should be a law, and that's not something I like to say.
 
Well look what they've done with 'one nation under God'.

In the actual Lincoln quote -

It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom...

- the phrase means something like, 'God willing" or, "with God's help". It's an adjunct, modifying "shall have a new birth of freedom". Lincoln would probably have found the phrase 'one nation under God', to mean 'under God's sovereignty' or whatever, completely baffling.
 
I knew that he writes historical fiction, and has the exact face that I'd imagine a humanoid version of Jabba the Hut to have, if that counts?
 
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What's the chance of the elections getting postponed 'cause of the storm ?
 
Well look what they've done with 'one nation under God'.

In the actual Lincoln quote -



- the phrase means something like, 'God willing" or, "with God's help". It's an adjunct, modifying "shall have a new birth of freedom". Lincoln would probably have found the phrase 'one nation under God', to mean 'under God's sovereignty' or whatever, completely baffling.

You're being too much of a strict constructionist. That shit only applies to the Constitution. :wenger:
 
It should go up as well... the last update was last night, and Sam Wang's model has ticked up since then.

One thing I can't understand is why there's still a comparatively big gap between the Nowcast and the prediction. There's only a week or so to go, oughtn't they to have converged by now?

But what will the hurricane do? After a brief flirtation with optimism I'm back to somewhere between nervous Nellie and panic stations again.
 
I suppose a week's still a fair while in politics, and if you look at Sam Wang's prediction graphs there's still a pretty wide area of uncertainty (although notably, pretty much all of it lies on the Obama re-election side).

Rasmussen just put out an Ohio poll though with Romney ahead by 2, which is irritating.
 
Well look what they've done with 'one nation under God'.

In the actual Lincoln quote -



- the phrase means something like, 'God willing" or, "with God's help". It's an adjunct, modifying "shall have a new birth of freedom". Lincoln would probably have found the phrase 'one nation under God', to mean 'under God's sovereignty' or whatever, completely baffling.

Interesting, I never really understood what 'one nation under God' was supposed to mean. Mostly it seemed to me a statement of intent by those who put it in the 'pledge' to legislate through a religious perspective.
 
Interesting, I never really understood what 'one nation under God' was supposed to mean. Mostly it seemed to me a statement of intent by those who put it in the 'pledge' to legislate through a religious perspective.

Yeah, it basically means 'inshallah'. They've benefited politically from it being a Lincoln quote, to get it into the Pledge, but in fact the four words don't belong together as a unit - in linguistics speak they're not a 'syntactic constituent'.

It's kind of like using the authority of Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' speech to set up political groups called 'Freedom Rings', one in the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado, and another on the curvaceous slopes of California etc.
 
Here is another way to look at things, while Romney will be out engaging in politics (campaigning) Obama will be able to focus on doing a job for those affected by the storm which might just make him look better in the eyes of any remaining fence sitters.
 
Can we talk about how Mittens wants to defund FEMA?

Mormons have a fantastic social safety-net within their communities, unemployed Mormons can get their basic needs taken care of in exchange for 'volunteering' for church work. Similarly with disaster relief. I suspect his basic response to most problems is 'Why can't everyone just be Mormon?'
 
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/10/nate-silver-romney-clearly-could-still-win-147618.html

Nate Silver could be a one-term celebrity.

The New York Times's resident political predictor says President Barack Obama currently has a 74.6 percent chance of winning reelection. It's a prediction that liberals, whose heart rates continue to fluctuate with the release of every new poll, want to take solace in but somehow can't. Sure, this is the guy who correctly predicted the outcome of the 2008 election in 49 of 50 states, but this year's polls suggest a nailbiter.

"Romney, clearly, could still win," Silver told POLITICO today.

Prediction is the name of Silver's game, the basis for his celebrity. So should Mitt Romney win on Nov. 6, it's difficult to see how people can continue to put faith in the predictions of someone who has never given that candidate anything higher than a 41 percent chance of winning (way back on June 2) and — one week from the election — gives him a one-in-four chance, even as the polls have him almost neck-and-neck with the incumbent.

Silver cautions against confusing prediction with prophecy. "If the Giants lead the Redskins 24-21 in the fourth quarter, it's a close game that either team could win. But it's also not a "toss-up": The Giants are favored. It's the same principle here: Obama is ahead in the polling averages in states like Ohio that would suffice for him to win the Electoral College. Hence, he's the favorite," Silver said.

For all the confidence Silver puts in his predictions, he often gives the impression of hedging. Which, given all the variables involved in a presidential election, isn't surprising. For this reason and others — and this may shock the coffee-drinking NPR types of Seattle, San Francisco and Madison, Wis. — more than a few political pundits and reporters, including some of his own colleagues, believe Silver is highly overrated.

"If you tell me you think you can quantify an event that is about to happen that you don`t expect, like the 47 percent comment or a debate performance, I think you think you are a wizard. That`s not possible," Times columnist David Brooks, a moderate conservative, said on PBS earlier this month. "The pollsters tell us what`s happening now. When they start projecting, they`re getting into silly land."

Brooks doubled down on this charge in a column last week: "I should treat polls as a fuzzy snapshot of a moment in time. I should not read them, and think I understand the future," he wrote. "If there’s one thing we know, it’s that even experts with fancy computer models are terrible at predicting human behavior."

On MSNBC's "Morning Joe" today, Joe Scarborough took a more direct shot, effectively calling Silver an ideologue and "a joke."

"Nate Silver says this is a 73.6 percent chance that the president is going to win? Nobody in that campaign thinks they have a 73 percent chance — they think they have a 50.1 percent chance of winning. And you talk to the Romney people, it's the same thing," Scarborough said. "Both sides understand that it is close, and it could go either way. And anybody that thinks that this race is anything but a tossup right now is such an ideologue, they should be kept away from typewriters, computers, laptops and microphones for the next 10 days, because they're jokes."

Silver's no stranger to doubt and criticism. He even doubts his own model sometimes. But he dismisses this criticism.

"We can debate how much of a favorite Obama is; Romney, clearly, could still win. But this is not wizardry or rocket science," Silver told POLITICO. "All you have to do is take an average, and count to 270. It's a pretty simple set of facts. I'm sorry that Joe is math-challenged."

Of course, it hardly matters what Brooks, Scarborough or any of Silver's critics or supporters think. What matters for Silver is that the president wins and that he ends up with a total number of electoral votes somewhere in the ballpark of whatever Silver predicts on the afternoon of Nov. 6. And even then, you won't know if he actually had a 50.1 percent chance or a 74.6 percent chance of getting there.

Silver-trutherism in full flow.
 
I hope for Dr Wang's sake that the media don't catch a drift of his current 91% probability of an Obama win :eek:
 
I hope for Dr Wang's sake that the media don't catch a drift of his current 91% probability of an Obama win :eek:

I like his response to this whole thing. First he points out that he's said many times that Nate's model is a bit shit, but equally it is perfectly fine for public consumption and, my favourite bit - he calls him 'a fine and honest nerd.' One of the commenters suggests this would be an excellent title for a future biography.
 
I think Dr Wang secretly wants to take Silver under his wing. There's a film in there somewhere, that a good three or four people would watch.

This gets to the heart of the issue I think:

Todd Zwillich ‏@toddzwillich
Forget partisanship. Pundits vs Nate Silver is starting to feel like ICP vs magnets.
 

So should Mitt Romney win on Nov. 6, it's difficult to see how people can continue to put faith in the predictions of someone who has never given that candidate anything higher than a 41 percent chance of winning (way back on June 2) and — one week from the election — gives him a one-in-four chance

That's a pretty hilarious statement.
 
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