US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

[NoLogo]

Dear god why are the media calling this a draw/Ryan victory. Why. My god. How.

Because everything is a draw in the mainstream media otherwise someone might call them biased.

Another part that pisses me off about these wussy "journalists" of today is that they are too chicken shit to call a politician out on his bullshit.

If someone states something that is factually incorrect call him out on it ffs and not pretend as if it's a valid opinion.

The mainstream media has become a mouth piece of their buddies in Washington, from watchdog to lapdog so to speak.

 

[Mockney]

If Ryan won that debate, then Obama walked last week's.

 

[Ubik]

Exactly. Apparently all Obama had to do to draw it was talk shit a little more smarmily, maybe propose putting more troops in "the most dangerous place on Earth". Have a few more hideously rehearsed lines. Job done.

 

[pillory]

Another part that pisses me off about these wussy "journalists" of today is that they are too chicken shit to call a politician out on his bullshit.

That's because doing so is low, sleazy, ugly, fascist and totalitarian. No wait, that was calling people liars. Calling people liars without explicitly using that word is fine, though. Sorry.

 

[Jaz]

It would appear that this was an even debate according to the media.

 

[Sultan]

Republicans campaign drive has broadly been based on their spite of Obama, and acting the big boys by promoting another war in the Middle East.

 

[Saliph]

Holy feck that was brutal.

 

[Jaz]

The biggest finding tonight is this:

Ryan kept his cool and didn't look flustered. He kept on-script, no mistakes no wobbles. Job done.

Dont think this will impact the general election much though.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

20 minutes in and Biden is dominating this IMO.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Ryan telling the Mitt Romney's "good man" bit is cringeworthy.

 

[Ramshock]

The biggest finding tonight is this:

Ryan kept his cool and didn't look flustered. He kept on-script, no mistakes no wobbles. Job done.

Dont think this will impact the general election much though.

Yeah Im sure theres a replay of Margaret Thatchers 101 great moments you can console yourself with somewhere.

 

[Ramshock]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82323.html?hp=l1

 

[prateik]

Didnt see the whole thing.. but from the bits i saw, Biden was destroying Ryan.


But its not about them.... as long as Ryan doesnt feck up, these wont hurt Romney too much.

 

[Jaz]

Yeah Im sure theres a replay of Margaret Thatchers 101 great moments you can console yourself with somewhere.

Nope, I only need to see the 2:1 snap polls in favour or Ryan.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/snap-polls-ryan-biden-138249.html?hp=r4_b1

 

[peterstorey]

Yeah Im sure theres a replay of Margaret Thatchers 101 great moments you can console yourself with somewhere.

This is the only good Thatcher video...

 

[Count Orduck]

The BBC feed of her funeral will be pretty good viewing, too.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I'm no expert on American politics but Baiden thrashed Ryan. The latter still had no answers to the taxes question. "Loopholes and Deduction" is really really vague.

 

[Jaz]

I'm no expert on American politics but Baiden thrashed Ryan. The latter still had no answers to the taxes question. "Loopholes and Deduction" is really really vague.

Yeah, it is nonsense..

It's the same nonsense that the UK Labour Party is touting to pay for spending increases.

 

[101]

I've only seen 20 minutes of this so far and you got to love Biden. Every time Ryan says something, Biden just cracks up laughing because it's all crap. Hopefully will get to watch the rest at some point today.

 

[Saliph]

The polls are a joke. Biden trashed Ryan aesthetically, and his arguments were infinitely more persuasive. Ryan looked like a little bitch.

 

[Jaz]

I've only seen 20 minutes of this so far and you got to love Biden. Every time Ryan says something, Biden just cracks up laughing because it's all crap. Hopefully will get to watch the rest at some point today.

I would say it's condescending and rude.

You wouldn't expect the VP to act like a amateur congressman in a debate.

 

[sglowrider]

 

[MichaelS]

Biden showing Obama how to do it.

 

[Jaz]

Biden showing Obama how to do it.

Obama won't come across well attacking. He tried that against Clinton and it didn't work out too well. Mainly because he can't think quick enough on his feet, and that his biggest appeal is 'calm, steady, reassuring' President.

Romney is also very good on the come-back, he buried Perry in the debates when he was attacked. I'm sure that the Romney campaign will be prepared for the attacks.

 

[Saliph]

Obama won't come across well attacking. He tried that against Clinton and it didn't work out too well. Mainly because he can't think quick enough on his feet, and that his biggest appeal is 'calm, steady, reassuring' President.

Romney is also very good on the come-back, he buried Perry in the debates when he was attacked. I'm sure that the Romney campaign will be prepared for the attacks.

Sarah Palin could've buried Perry.

 

[Raoul]

Obama won't come across well attacking. He tried that against Clinton and it didn't work out too well. Mainly because he can't think quick enough on his feet, and that his biggest appeal is 'calm, steady, reassuring' President.

Romney is also very good on the come-back, he buried Perry in the debates when he was attacked. I'm sure that the Romney campaign will be prepared for the attacks.

Romney didn't bury anyone in the primaries; in fact only survived them because his opposition were absolutely shocking. Perry buried himself with his own idiocy of not being able to remember which three federal agencies he would close if elected, and other hilariously idiotic gaffs.

 

[Deleted 20801]

The biggest finding tonight is this:

Ryan kept his cool and didn't look flustered. He kept on-script, no mistakes no wobbles. Job done.

Dont think this will impact the general election much though.

Wow, you really are a bit ridiculous aren't you.

 

[Saliph]

Though to be honest I wish Biden hadn't interrupted Ryan as much as he did. It came across as a bit excessive at times. And there really was no need for it.

 

[Raoul]

Nope, I only need to see the 2:1 snap polls in favour or Ryan.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/snap-polls-ryan-biden-138249.html?hp=r4_b1

The CNN poll was admittedly weighted in favor of Republicans.


The CBS poll probably got it spot on. Its hard to find anyone who thinks Ryan actually won.

 

[Jaz]

Wow, you really are a bit ridiculous aren't you.

Clearly not.

Almost all the media are calling it a score-draw.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19920438

The Snap polls are 2:1 in Ryans favour.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/snap-polls-ryan-biden-138249.html?hp=r4_b1

 

[Jaz]

The CNN poll was admittedly weighted in favor of Republicans.


The CBS poll probably got it spot on. Its hard to find anyone who thinks Ryan actually won.

 

[Raoul]

 

[Raoul]

Clearly not.

Almost all the media are calling it a score-draw.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19920438

The Snap polls are 2:1 in Ryans favour.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/snap-polls-ryan-biden-138249.html?hp=r4_b1

One of these snap polls was weighted towards GOP participants, so citing it as a legitimate source of evidence is a bit fatuous.

 

[JustAFan]

I would say it's condescending and rude.

You wouldn't expect the VP to act like a amateur congressman in a debate.

Ask Al Gore how acting rude and childish in a debate works out. But while various polls will swing around a bit due to the debate (but remember there is only one poll that is going to count) I would be surprised if this changed the outcome of the vote.

 

[JustAFan]

Sarah Palin could've buried Perry.

She is good with firearms and probably knows some places in Alaska where a body can be hidden.

 

[Jaz]

One of these snap polls was weighted towards GOP participants, so citing it as a legitimate source of evidence is a bit fatuous.

The CBS poll:

The "uncommitted voters" who participated in this poll are either undecided or have chosen a candidate but say they could still change their minds. They are less likely than voters overall to identify with either of the two major political parties: 58 percent call themselves independents, 17 percent identify as Republicans, and 25 percent say they are Democrats.

Bizarre methodology.

 

[Raoul]

I'd guess that uncommitted voters saying Biden won hands down is a pretty good sign for Obama.

 

[Ivor Ballokov]

Even the moderator had a dig at the lack of specifics coming from Ryan, how can people even take him seriously after that.

 

[Jaz]

I'd guess that uncommitted voters saying Biden won hands down is a pretty good sign for Obama.

I can agree with that.

You have to agree that these Snap polls are all pretty much terrible.

 

[gza the genius]

Biden clearly won, how any one can think otherwise is beyond me. His constant laughing at Ryan was definitely condescending and probably unnecessary, but I thought it was hilarious and it pissed off all of the Republicans so I'm not too bothered about it.

Ryan's closing speach was really bad, there was no emotion at all. It was all very cringeworthy. So was his little story about Romney paying for some kids college tuition, I loved it when he said "it wasn't about the money, it was about the time he spent with them" or something. Yeah, I'm sure it had nothing to do with the $100,000 or so he paid to get them through four years of college.