US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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Something tells me you like him because he would cause the demise of the United States. :)

For that I'd just back Perry or Bachman.

I actually think Paul would do wonders for the US's image in the world, especially in the Middle East. Domestically, probably not.
 
So, Perry is taking criticism for requiring girls to get HPV vaccines. Of all things to give him hell for, that isn't one of them.
 
So, Perry is taking criticism for requiring girls to get HPV vaccines. Of all things to give him hell for, that isn't one of them.

You don't get the wingnut mentality. HPV is sometimes (but not always) transmitted sexually. As far as right-wing Christian conservatives are concerned, STDs are God's punishment for fornication, and by protecting his citizens from this disease, Perry is thwarting God's will that these little harlots suffer from genital warts and precancerous lesions.

Swear to feck...
 
So, Perry is taking criticism for requiring girls to get HPV vaccines. Of all things to give him hell for, that isn't one of them.

I know..."I want the right to decide if my daughter dies a horrible death from cervical cancer"

They did slot him from giving tuition to illegals. It's kind of funny with that issue since it's an example of Perry having to live in the real world and legislate an actual problem that can't be solved by a soundbite like "Deport them all".
 
You don't get the wingnut mentality. HPV is sometimes (but not always) transmitted sexually. As far as right-wing Christian conservatives are concerned, STDs are God's punishment for fornication, and by protecting his citizens from this disease, Perry is thwarting God's will that these little harlots suffer from genital warts and precancerous lesions.

Swear to feck...

I'm pretty sure God can get around HPV if he wants to, with vaccine-resistant strains. Like my friend got from the first girl he ever slept with. :lol: She's a nasty whore though.

Rick Perry executed a man who was most likely innocent. That's what he should be getting hammered over, not whether or not he's protecting girls from HPV. FFS.
 

This is 2016 I am talking about, not next year. I am not rooting for him either but I find it odd that you would instantly dismiss Schumer.

Whether he has any intentions to run or not his name is going to be one that the media runs with, he will have been in the Senate nearly 20 years by then getting elected with massive margins out of New York, he is one of the few with name recognition across the US and is a canny operator. Not that he doesn't come with baggage, nobody doesn't when they have spent a lifetime in politics.
 
This is 2016 I am talking about, not next year. I am not rooting for him either but I find it odd that you would instantly dismiss Schumer.

Whether he has any intentions to run or not his name is going to be one that the media runs with, he will have been in the Senate nearly 20 years by then getting elected with massive margins out of New York, he is one of the few with name recognition across the US and is a canny operator. Not that he doesn't come with baggage, nobody doesn't when they have spent a lifetime in politics.

He's not electable. Its like pulling a random Democrat out of a hat and claiming he can be President. They all have good CVs and win their elections every six years. That doesn't mean they can cut it in a tough general election.
 
Today's Doonesbury strip, with quote from Joe McGinniss' book about Sarah Palin:
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The character in the strip is a reporter for Fox News.
 
He's not electable. Its like pulling a random Democrat out of a hat and claiming he can be President. They all have good CVs and win their elections every six years. That doesn't mean they can cut it in a tough general election.

Schumer isn't a random Democrat, he is one of the most senior figures in the democratic party and the senate, he has a very strong CV and has enough sway and ties on the Hill to be capable in the White House. I don't see why he isn't electable, any strong candidate from New York ought to sweep the North East stretching into the great lakes region, that being half the battle in taking the swing states - Pennsylvania, Ohio and Indiana.

Unless a wave of potential nominees appear out of nowhere in the next couple of years then prominent democrats in the Senate will consider their positions, Dirk Durbin is another but is far too liberal for your electorate as it stands.
 
Schumer isn't a random Democrat, he is one of the most senior figures in the democratic party and the senate, he has a very strong CV and has enough sway and ties on the Hill to be capable in the White House. I don't see why he isn't electable, any strong candidate from New York ought to sweep the North East stretching into the great lakes region, that being half the battle in taking the swing states - Pennsylvania, Ohio and Indiana.

Unless a wave of potential nominees appear out of nowhere in the next couple of years then prominent democrats in the Senate will consider their positions, Dirk Durbin is another but is far too liberal for your electorate as it stands.

As Dems go, he is pretty random. That's not to say he may not try to run as plenty of delusional candidates tend to enter the primaries only to get flushed out when their lack of substance gets exposed well before the conventions. Schumer is too generic, as is Durban, and in fact, spare Obama's unlikely ascent, Senators tend to not get elected President; whereas Governors do. Andrew Cuomo may be a decent candidate - he's relatively young and moving up fast, and will be more than ready for a run in 4-5 years.
 
As Dems go, he is pretty random. That's not to say he may not try to run as plenty of delusional candidates tend to enter the primaries only to get flushed out when their lack of substance gets exposed well before the conventions. Schumer is too generic, as is Durban, and in fact, spare Obama's unlikely ascent, Senators tend to not get elected President; whereas Governors do. Andrew Cuomo may be a decent candidate - he's relatively young and moving up fast, and will be more than ready for a run in 4-5 years.

Cuomo is a good shout, I keep thinking that Paterson is still governor there.

And talking of delusional politicians and New York governors, have we heard the last of Eliot Spitzer in politics?
 
Cuomo is a good shout, I keep thinking that Paterson is still governor there.

And talking of delusional politicians and New York governors, have we heard the last of Eliot Spitzer in politics?

Yes, he's a TV commentator now. Hookergate has all but snuffed out his aspirations.
 
Not presidential, but

BBCBreaking BBC Breaking News
Republicans in New York win US House seat from Democrats, left vacant after Anthony Weiner resigned over sex texting.
 
:lol: Democrats are retarded. They thought they had a safe seat when Scott Brown won. Field a strong candidate, you morons. Not just any schlub who shows up.
 
CNN Poll: More Americans trust Obama on economy over Republicans in Congress
By: CNN Political Unit

Washington (CNN) – President Obama’s disapproval ratings may be at an all-time high, but in a new CNN/ORC International poll, more Americans say they trust him on economic matters more than they do Republicans in Congress.
The survey released on Wednesday shows that although a lot of Americans are still unsure what’s in the president’s new jobs bill, they like most of the major proposals offered in the plan that was sent to Congress Monday.

“By a 43-35 percent margin, a plurality of Americans approve of the economic program Obama outlined in his speech to Congress last week, but more than one in five don’t have any view at all of the jobs bill,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

The president will travel to North Carolina Wednesday as he continues to try to sell his $447 billion dollar plan to encourage job growth to the public.
And most of the nation agree that stimulating employment is important right now.
Two-thirds believe that creating jobs should take precedence over the federal budget deficit and only 29 percent say reducing the deficit should be more important that reducing unemployment.

In the wake of recent natural disasters, Americans also prioritize disaster relief over the deficit. Six in 10 want federal aid to the victims of recent hurricanes and wildfires even if that amount of money is not cut from other government programs.

When President Obama’s bill is broken down, more Americans like most of the proposals in it – two-thirds like the idea of cutting the payroll tax for workers and the same number like greater spending on infrastructure projects. Three quarters approve of sending federal money to states to hire more teachers and first responders.


But overall, the public is in a foul mood over conditions in the nation today. Most say they are not better off than they were three years ago and large majorities say they are angry and scared about how things are going in the country today.

The poll was conducted for CNN by ORC International from September 9-11 by among 1,038 adults questioned by telephone. It has an overall sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points.
CNN’s Rebecca Stewart contributed to this report.

CNN Poll: More Americans trust Obama on economy over Republicans in Congress – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Wow...I knows it's only one poll and someone will probably publish a poll next week saying the opposite, but still would have never guessed that.
 
Republican wins Democratic district in New York race to replace Weiner - CNN.com

Minutes after the election, the Republican Jewish Coalition released a statement in support of Turner.

"Jewish voters are coming to see that Republicans offer real solutions to our economic crisis, are resolute friends of Israel, and represent a way forward to a better future," said executive director Matt Brooks.

He added that the election has "huge implications for 2012 races in states with large Jewish communities, such as Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania."



The DNC knew for months that this would be a tough battle, and they did little to nothing to fight for this seat. Some will try to place the blame with Anthony Weiner, but that seat was fair game once Weiner stepped down.


This is a blinding light that should signal to the Democrats that the Jewish community is NOT with Obama. It is also a glaring indication that the current policies of Israel trump domestic issues.


Personally, I'm done with Obama... He should have been in NYC to help secure that House seat. No matter how hard it would have been to fight for it, it would have been more important to fight tooth and nail for the symbolic win than to be out on the campaign trail talking about a Jobs Bill that will NEVER get past the GOP.

I'm hoping and praying either Robert Reich (First choice) or Bernie Sanders chooses to run up against Obama in a Democratic primary for President 2012.


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If anything should have been an indication that the people are not with the 'Jobs Plan'... it's a 69% disapproval rating, as Neutral points out.

~ In retrospect... it appears that President Obama's advisors are a bunch of idiots that keep pointing him in the wrong direction. I wouldn't be surprised to read that in a future Obama biography.
 
:lol: Democrats are retarded. They thought they had a safe seat when Scott Brown won. Field a strong candidate, you morons. Not just any schlub who shows up.

that is correct. Warren is going to wipe the floor with Brown btw and this time they will field a strong candidate in 2012 in for this seat.

As for that Ultra right wing Jewish statement...yeah right the majority of Jews are going to flood to the GOP.... The Jewish vote will always be split like normal...with the majority voting Democrat.

Bob's sentimet below will not be typical...fortunately.

I saw Sanders today on Tv. He is a very sensible man. But can you imagine the majority of Americans voting for a self confessed socialist.

Not voting for Obama is to surrender to the rabid retards that call themselves the Tea Party.

Anyway the Generic Congressional poll is trending Democrat...hardly a sign that the country is trending GOP.

btw...I am more to the left of even Bob...but I am pragmatic. Change will not come overnight.

The time when the old white guy determined who is President is over..that change started with Obama and will continue with the ever changing demographics in favour of the democrats.
 
Republican wins Democratic district in New York race to replace Weiner - CNN.com

Minutes after the election, the Republican Jewish Coalition released a statement in support of Turner.

"Jewish voters are coming to see that Republicans offer real solutions to our economic crisis, are resolute friends of Israel, and represent a way forward to a better future," said executive director Matt Brooks.

He added that the election has "huge implications for 2012 races in states with large Jewish communities, such as Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania."



The DNC knew for months that this would be a tough battle, and they did little to nothing to fight for this seat. Some will try to place the blame with Anthony Weiner, but that seat was fair game once Weiner stepped down.


This is a blinding light that should signal to the Democrats that the Jewish community is NOT with Obama. It is also a glaring indication that the current policies of Israel trump domestic issues.


Personally, I'm done with Obama... He should have been in NYC to help secure that House seat. No matter how hard it would have been to fight for it, it would have been more important to fight tooth and nail for the symbolic win than to be out on the campaign trail talking about a Jobs Bill that will NEVER get past the GOP.

I'm hoping and praying either Robert Reich (First choice) or Bernie Sanders chooses to run up against Obama in a Democratic primary for President 2012.


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If anything should have been an indication that the people are not with the 'Jobs Plan'... it's a 69% disapproval rating, as Neutral points out.

~ In retrospect... it appears that President Obama's advisors are a bunch of idiots that keep pointing him in the wrong direction. I wouldn't be surprised to read that in a future Obama biography.

Sanders to run up against Obama?

I mean I have nothing but respect for the man but a socialist in a presidential election in America of all places is giving the GOP a free ride to the presidency. Not to mention that no corporations would touch him with a 10 mile pole, so funding would be out the question.
 
This is a blinding light that should signal to the Democrats that the Jewish community is NOT with Obama. It is also a glaring indication that the current policies of Israel trump domestic issues.

Right, that'll be the same Jewish community that voted for Obama in greater numbers than any other major ethnic or religious group apart from blacks:

FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Obama Outperforms Kerry Among Virtually All Demographics

Man the barricades - Jewish approval of Obama has dropped to 60%, only 14 points higher than the average voter!

Every presidential cycle someone writes this story about how the Jews are about to desert the Democrats, but they never do. Partly because they're mainly politically liberal, and partly because they're more nervous about extremist Christians than about Israel (who the Dems are thoroughly supportive of anyway...).

From an article on the Republicans' eternal Jewish problem:

a survey taken by J Street, which asked likely Jewish voters to check off the two issues, from a list of thirteen, “most important for you in deciding your vote for President and Congress this November.” Fifty-five percent chose the economy, 33 percent the war in Iraq, 15 percent energy, and 12 percent the environment. Just 8 percent chose Israel.

I've posted these things before but I suspect you don't read links you don't expect to agree with. When it comes to Jews and Obama your mind was made up a few years ago:

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Not to, completely, condemn those above, but Jewish people tend towards stereotypically racist and disrespectful towards African-American people.
 
During these times of heated debate on the domestic front, it is insane that the Jewish Coalition can attempt to justify backing a GOP candidate in a district that has never sent a Republican to Washington... not unless the interests of Israel are 'more' important than the mess we see now in America.

This isn't complicated or so easy for Plech to dismiss, as all the pundits explain... Last night's election was a message to Obama (equating extortion through the ballot box). Either President Obama supports settlement expansion and the actions of the Israeli military or they will support one of the wackos from the right-wing.



This article from a Bloomberg page explains the tensions between Israel and the White House more thoroughly: Robert Gates Says Israel Is an Ungrateful Ally: Jeffrey Goldberg - Bloomberg
 
Why are you peddling the talking points of the Republican Jewish Coalition? They represent a tiny minority of a tiny minority.

Read my link to Gallup above. Obama's last controversial speech on Israel had no noticeable effect on his high level of support among Jews.
 
Why are you peddling the talking points of the Republican Jewish Coalition? They represent a tiny minority of a tiny minority.

Read my link to Gallup above. Obama's last controversial speech on Israel had no noticeable effect on his high level of support among Jews.

My point has nothing to do with Obama and his committment to Israel. This thread is about the Presidential election. Although, I would bet AIPAC and the Jewish Coalition work hand in hand. The amount of money and influence supersede the the population of the jewish vote.

...but back to my original point; When you look at how serious the Republicans are about gaining ground in numbers on the Hill, compared to the lax and misguided efforts of Team Obama, the GOP keep coming out on top.

Murtha Seat Lost: Republican Path To Power Goes Through Western Pennsylvania, Rep. John Murtha's Seat - Election 2010 - ABC News

Kennedy Seat Lost: Why Martha Coakley lost Ted Kennedy's Senate seat to Scott Brown is no big mystery - New York Daily News

Now, Weiner's seat goes to the GOP, as well.

*Nobody would have expected Sen. John Ensign's seat to go Democrat, I'm not even going to mention that lost race from last night.



The common factor is that nobody on the Democrat side are taking these elections seriously. Obama had been brilliant at campaigning for other candidates, as he should have for Weiner's seat, as he should have for the other lost Senate seats, as well. Whatever the circumstances, President Obama should have gotten out with strong support for all of these candidates.

...once again, my posts today have little or nothing to do with Israel, as it does about the poor performance of the DNC and Obama who continue to see their party slip and slide down, and refuse to learn anything from each loss.
 
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