About time he showed some fecking balls.
US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012
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Hell yes....I would vote for him and I'm a paid up member of the Tea Party and the KKK. JOKING WANKERS
I like that turn he did at the end of his speech, like "feck this shit, you wankers"
Just imagine a Presidential debate between Barack Obama and Michele Bachmann. Or Rick Perry.
Please, Zeus, if you're out there..
Please, Zeus, if you're out there..
Its a thing of beauty when someone's charisma shows through and they make a great speech. I was no Scargill and Kinnock fan, quite the opposite, but I enjoyed their speeches.
Shame everybody is down the pub waiting for the game to start.
A fantastic performance but the Dow dropped another 50pts.
The markets are being manipulated like crazy. Good traders make the most money when the markets fluctuate a lot.
Damn...no Bobby Jindal response!
You've got massive volatility and low volume, a recipe for the sharks to go scalping.
can you imagine shit for brains Perry debating this man?
Perfectly fair. He even sounds like Bobby some times.
Though tonight he sounded like Harry Truman. Hopefully, for once, he follows it up with action like Harry Truman.
By nuking someone. 
It was all very nice but we all know the repubs aren't interested in doing anything that makes Obama look good. They couldn't give two fecks about people losing jobs and going hungry if it means their guy gets elected next year.
More misery and despair for the American people means it more likely that Obama gets run out of the White House. Obama is running out of time and options. He can go cross country and speechify all he wants...it won't help.
More misery and despair for the American people means it more likely that Obama gets run out of the White House. Obama is running out of time and options. He can go cross country and speechify all he wants...it won't help.
I think our political system is fecked and then I look at you septic tanks and I feel slightly better
By nuking someone.
I was thinking more like seizing the assets of any company who refuses to comply with the laws guaranteeing workers' right to unionize.
And being ready to draft into the armed forces any organization that works against the common good of the nation.
watching her on Greta right now....now that's a scary image!
watching her on Greta right now....now that's a scary image!
Her husband is watching, getting really turned on. And craving a corndog.
Not so much...
Not so much...
That's just cause further in the closet than his leisure suits. Ever heard the man speak?
The speech just shows what a fantastic communicator the guy is. Republicans face a massive uphill challenge in beating him next year.
Wall Street can feck off. They're getting record profits and the administration has held their cocks for them the last 3 years.
Obama's speech is all fine and good, but it doesn't mean shit at the end of the day.
The GOP will pass an Obama suggested bill on the day hell freezes over and the Tampa Bay Lightening win the World Cup. ~ Meaning: It's never gunna feckin' happen in our lifetime and it's a waste of time making sense of the horrible mess that is US politics.
So, the jobless remain jobless ~ the economy continues to slide ~ Obama continues to concede to the GOP incrementally on entitlement programs, while gaining nothing in return for it ~ same old, same old shit...
Then America goes to the polls to vote for the lesser of two a-holes.
Sums up the American political system.
Ya' see, if Obama were 100% serious about doing something about the economy and jobs, he would have said something like, 'The rat-bastards that comprise the GOP will probably turn down my Jobs Plan, like they've turned down EVERYTHING I have suggested.' concluding with, 'That's why I have a Plan B that leap-frogs the GOP with a series of executive orders... '
But nope... nothing like that. That is why it's a bunch of bullshit.
The GOP will pass an Obama suggested bill on the day hell freezes over and the Tampa Bay Lightening win the World Cup. ~ Meaning: It's never gunna feckin' happen in our lifetime and it's a waste of time making sense of the horrible mess that is US politics.
So, the jobless remain jobless ~ the economy continues to slide ~ Obama continues to concede to the GOP incrementally on entitlement programs, while gaining nothing in return for it ~ same old, same old shit...
Then America goes to the polls to vote for the lesser of two a-holes.
Sums up the American political system.
Ya' see, if Obama were 100% serious about doing something about the economy and jobs, he would have said something like, 'The rat-bastards that comprise the GOP will probably turn down my Jobs Plan, like they've turned down EVERYTHING I have suggested.' concluding with, 'That's why I have a Plan B that leap-frogs the GOP with a series of executive orders... '
But nope... nothing like that. That is why it's a bunch of bullshit.
what sort of executive orders can create jobs?
Agreed. You'd think by now people would be immune to his sweet rhetoric-coated bullshit.
It's not that his rhetoric is bullshit, not that he's speaking false at the time.
The problem is that he makes it bullshit later by not fighting. He can do a great Truman impression at the podium; when it comes time risk looking heavy-handed, or inflexible then he buckles.
He wants to always appear to be the reasonable one, willing to compromise. He doesn't understand that compromising with extremists is appeasement.
If he suddenly acted like Harry Truman, refused to compromise, and took drastic action to see the right thing done, then not would he do the country a great turn, but ensure his reelection, and his legacy.
As things have gone his legacy will something akin to President Weimar.
I don't think his rhetoric is BS, part of me believes that deep down Obama actually believes in most of what he preaches (key word being preach and not 'act')
Compromising isn't necessarily a good trait either if you're consistently at it, in which case it just becomes a consistent falling back on previous promises, or for the layman - an utter bullshitter who fails to act on auspicious words.
more than likely the republicans will delay or water down what he wants at best.
what can the man do?
He does not have the authority to make executive decisions like what bob says to create jobs.
RedKaos, I agree.
Ronald Reagan was called The Great Communicator.
Obama could be called The Great Capitulator.
Ronald Reagan was called The Great Communicator.
Obama could be called The Great Capitulator.
He hasn't explored the power of Executive Orders. It takes a 2/3 majority of congress to reverse an EO, or Supreme Court action. Granted Clarence Thomas is the very soul of impropriety, and conflict of interest, but the SC would have to be very careful: if they reversed an EO that was clearly having a benefit they could make themselves look totally partisan.
The president has a jobs plan. If the congress refuses to pass it he should see how it goes with just ordering it. It would be action, and it would take to reverse it. Depending on the plan, if it got even a few thousand people to work in a short time then he would start winning over the fencesitters among the electorate.
Sometimes reason, intelligence, and thoughtfulness are less effective than unmitigated gall.
The president has a jobs plan. If the congress refuses to pass it he should see how it goes with just ordering it. It would be action, and it would take to reverse it. Depending on the plan, if it got even a few thousand people to work in a short time then he would start winning over the fencesitters among the electorate.
Sometimes reason, intelligence, and thoughtfulness are less effective than unmitigated gall.
Does the man have no other ideas but a stimulus plan which he has tried already? With a 10.5% budget deficit, a credit rating downgraded and international confidence in the US extremely shaken, this is not exactly the cleverest idea he has had.
to talk of defecit reduction in a time of recession is the most irresponsible thing I have ever heard. The only reason the President is talking about this is the Republican majority will not listen to anything else...yes the same majority that has brought this country to ruin with quadrupling the defecit. Talk about hypocrisy of the highest order.
What have we not learned from history?
You spend yourself out of a recession.
btw the first stimulous did create and save jobs. The motor industry would have gone if not for what he did.
One trillion spending on jobs would do a kick start.
And Chris thanks for the info.
That should be the approach...if it works. Issue an Excutive order to save jobs if need be.
You cannot spend your way out of a recession if directly proceeding that you spent your way through growth. The stimulus achieved none of its aims, it was stated that unemployment would peak at 7.75% and would have fallen to 6.5% by now. Your unemployment rate went north of 10% and is currently 9.1% - the economic costs of much lower unemployment would have been factored into the cost projections so it will have costed far more than the $800 Billion than was anticipated.
Thanks for at least admitting the hypocrisy of the right wing loons.
The stimulous stopped the economy dropping of a cliff while saving jobs.
The unemplyment estimates were based on data available then. It was only later it was known how terrible the rot was.
One thing I agree. We should have spent a lot more.
Seriously. Do you expect any of those clowns debating the other night to put things right??
The most 'moderate' person there is Huntsman. He has no chance.
Of the leaders, Romney is just an oportunist. His busineses made money getting rid of workers.
He had 48000 jobs growth when he was governor.
He says he had more job growth than the President.
Thanks for at least admitting the hypocrisy of the right wing loons.
The stimulous stopped the economy dropping of a cliff while saving jobs.
The unemplyment estimates were based on data available then. It was only later it was known how terrible the rot was.
One thing I agree. We should have spent a lot more.
Seriously. Do you expect any of those clowns debating the other night to put things right??
The most 'moderate' person there is Huntsman. He has no chance.
Of the leaders, Romney is just an oportunist. His busineses made money getting rid of workers.
He had 48000 jobs growth when he was governor.
He says he had more job growth than the President.
A better idea than a one-off $800 Billion spending project would have been an annual public sector spend until your economic recovery retained critical mass that it could survive on its own steam. That way corporate America would not have sat on revenues as they are still doing waiting for a sustainable recovery, when they would have more likely provided that themselves if Washington was more open-ended in its spending aims. However you are not in the fiscal position to do that now, and in reality were not then either.
Unemployment was plummeting in the US when Obama was inaugurated, and you are nowhere near getting back to that level anytime soon, Romney is probably right.
RD...
Both Robert Reich and Sen. Sanders have said that there are executive orders that the President could explore...
I might be jumping the gun in saying it's all bullshit. But President Obama is on a short leash with the voting public. It will be the difference between half the Democrats staying home in 14 months and losing more than half of the independent voters. ~ If he doesn't roll out a Plan B as soon as November, people are to have a good look at the situation and say, Obama is just using the fact the so many people are out of work as a chance to beat up the GOP, meanwhile doing nothing.
People are not stupid, the approval ratings for congress is at an all-time low, down to a rate of a 12%. Congress Approval Rating Drops To Lowest Level In History Of AP Poll
I just watched Obama do another live speech from Richmond, Virginia... He isn't saying anything new that he hadn't been saying 3 years ago, nothing.
Both Robert Reich and Sen. Sanders have said that there are executive orders that the President could explore...
I might be jumping the gun in saying it's all bullshit. But President Obama is on a short leash with the voting public. It will be the difference between half the Democrats staying home in 14 months and losing more than half of the independent voters. ~ If he doesn't roll out a Plan B as soon as November, people are to have a good look at the situation and say, Obama is just using the fact the so many people are out of work as a chance to beat up the GOP, meanwhile doing nothing.
People are not stupid, the approval ratings for congress is at an all-time low, down to a rate of a 12%. Congress Approval Rating Drops To Lowest Level In History Of AP Poll
I just watched Obama do another live speech from Richmond, Virginia... He isn't saying anything new that he hadn't been saying 3 years ago, nothing.
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