I understand it.
They don't want to make the whole country like the South, though; they want it worse. They want it more like Mexico or Russia where the wealthy, criminal or not, have huge influence, and everyone else just has to take it.
US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012
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I understand it.
They don't want to make the whole country like the South, though; they want it worse. They want it more like Mexico or Russia where the wealthy, criminal or not, have huge influence, and everyone else just has to take it.
feck me that was hilarious...Perry using Galileo to debunk climate change was my fave moment! Bachmann is toast after this...she seems to think that she can get to the White House by completely ignoring questions and reciting coached talking points. I enjoyed Ron Paul's honesty...he really does believe everything he says...which is also very scary!
Cain is a smart guy but he's spouting bullshit. Yeah...let's try and be like Chile! I really liked Huntsman and he performed well. Romney was polished as ever, Perry started well but came out with some major nonsense about social security...why would you talk about fecking over old people when they are the folks who vote in primaries!
Gingrich is belligerent and doesn't stand a chance..Santorum needs to be caught committing crime and sent to a prison where he gets buggered repeatedly. He's a disgusting, vile human being who should be nowhere near high office.
The only Perry I'd vote for is Melissa Harris-Perry who was just on an analysis segment. What a fine looking woman and very smart too.
Hello Twitch...you seem like an interesting addition to the thread. I hope you told Perry to feck off!
Cain is a smart guy but he's spouting bullshit. Yeah...let's try and be like Chile! I really liked Huntsman and he performed well. Romney was polished as ever, Perry started well but came out with some major nonsense about social security...why would you talk about fecking over old people when they are the folks who vote in primaries!
Gingrich is belligerent and doesn't stand a chance..Santorum needs to be caught committing crime and sent to a prison where he gets buggered repeatedly. He's a disgusting, vile human being who should be nowhere near high office.
The only Perry I'd vote for is Melissa Harris-Perry who was just on an analysis segment. What a fine looking woman and very smart too.
Hello Twitch...you seem like an interesting addition to the thread. I hope you told Perry to feck off!
I'm not getting why some like Paul for president. Sure he may be a nice guy and an ob/gyn but he wants to away with most regs. No EPA no FDA no tsa. He fails to mention that without these agencies we'd be at the whim of companies looking to make a quick buck. Sure we'd eventually catch on that airline x don't check wing integrity and drug company y don't do toxicity assays but only after hundreds or thousands of deaths. Epa - who cares they are only rivers. The guy is insane.
Ron Paul's ideas about liberty are great in concept but do not work in real life. He needs to read some Hayek to see how liberty can be entwined with responsible governance.
Only because the Mexicans keep crossing the border and messing things up. If they were gone, things would be perfect in Texas.
Infact, it might be time to get that 'Texans for Secession' campaign going again.
It was really retarded seeing him explain that. Why would drug companies hold theirselves to the rigorous standards the FDA requires to develop a new drug?
And Rick Perry was just perfect at dodging the issue, they asked him about low wage workers, and he said that wasn't the issue, and went off on another rant at.Obama. Out of all the debaters, I think Huntsman came out the most reasonable, which unfortunately is bad for him. I'd be massively disappointed if Obama doesn't win this election.
If we put employers of illegals in prison, we would not even need fences.
He does have positively maverick views as a Republican - legalising gay marriage and is fully supportive of stem cell research (although you could argue the latter isn't all that controversial considering his medial background).
Oh and the TSA is an absolute joke of an organisation granting its employees a free pass for harassment. He also wants to severely restrict the CIA's scope of operations which would do the world and the Americans themselves a whole world of good IMO.
A very Left Leaning take on last night's proceedings. Links to illustrate points.
Neutral, I have to agree with Red Dreams: if no one hired illegals they wouldn't keep coming.
Grinner, thanks, and yeah, Melissa Harris-Perry. I've developed a bit a crush on her; love smart women.
And I couldn't tell Perry to feck Off; I mortified my father too much when I was a teenager. He's old now and deserves a break.
It was awful, pure Murphy's law that Perry showed up. I had been rehearsing what I would say to him if I met him. I can walk into New Hampshire, and primary season can be a circus, so I figured I'd be prepared.
And he shows up. And I couldn't point out that the restaurant was owned by a politically active gay man who hates religious zealots (he wasn't in that day or the Secret Service may have been told to go elsewhere), and I couldn't say "Josh Brolin! I don't care what they say, Jonah Hex was just entertaining!" I couldn't just laugh in his face.
He had a hardcore Teabag NH senator, Kelly Ayotte, with him, and she went to shake my hand but my look of undisguised loathing, as though her being there was akin to inviting me watch some German potty-play porn, scared her so much she moved behind Perry.
I had to shake the man's hand. He saw I wanted nothing to do with him. But for my dad's sake I had to.
Two good things came of the event, though. My dad said later "We're Republicans, but we're not Perry people." I was so relieved.
And I realized that I can identify a Secret Service protection detail when they're not on duty, and don't have earpieces in. Will be very handy in choosing places to eat in February when all the candidates swarm on the region.
Neutral, I have to agree with Red Dreams: if no one hired illegals they wouldn't keep coming.
Grinner, thanks, and yeah, Melissa Harris-Perry. I've developed a bit a crush on her; love smart women.
And I couldn't tell Perry to feck Off; I mortified my father too much when I was a teenager. He's old now and deserves a break.
It was awful, pure Murphy's law that Perry showed up. I had been rehearsing what I would say to him if I met him. I can walk into New Hampshire, and primary season can be a circus, so I figured I'd be prepared.
And he shows up. And I couldn't point out that the restaurant was owned by a politically active gay man who hates religious zealots (he wasn't in that day or the Secret Service may have been told to go elsewhere), and I couldn't say "Josh Brolin! I don't care what they say, Jonah Hex was just entertaining!" I couldn't just laugh in his face.
He had a hardcore Teabag NH senator, Kelly Ayotte, with him, and she went to shake my hand but my look of undisguised loathing, as though her being there was akin to inviting me watch some German potty-play porn, scared her so much she moved behind Perry.
I had to shake the man's hand. He saw I wanted nothing to do with him. But for my dad's sake I had to.
Two good things came of the event, though. My dad said later "We're Republicans, but we're not Perry people." I was so relieved.
And I realized that I can identify a Secret Service protection detail when they're not on duty, and don't have earpieces in. Will be very handy in choosing places to eat in February when all the candidates swarm on the region.
He talks a good game, but at the end of the day he's a Libertarian kook, and they never do well.
Well Kucinich has no chance of ever becoming a candidate nevermind president, so the next best thing an outsider such as I can hope for is for someone like Paul, even if he is a Libertarian kook.
My illegals comment was a joke guys....
Illegal immigration is obviously a two way street, and one that really, really pisses me off. It is simply a campaign issue for election cycles, like abortion. Once the elections are done with, everyone cuts out the rhetoric, and things go quiet.
We've had republicans and democrats in control, and neither party has done anything about it, because I get the feeling neither party thinks it's that big a deal, but both know, it's a good point scoring agenda.
Illegal immigration is obviously a two way street, and one that really, really pisses me off. It is simply a campaign issue for election cycles, like abortion. Once the elections are done with, everyone cuts out the rhetoric, and things go quiet.
We've had republicans and democrats in control, and neither party has done anything about it, because I get the feeling neither party thinks it's that big a deal, but both know, it's a good point scoring agenda.
Some of his criticisms of how things are valid, and useful, and his tenacity in running brings those things into the spotlight.
But Paul really believes in Ayn Rand, and regularly votes in a way that gives more power to corporations in the name of eliminating useless regulations. Like safety standards, and quality control.
Paul is a populist Libertarian. Half the people that support him barely understand his policies, but just like his straight talking style. I would put him in the Perot/Nader category. Agenda populists who kick up a lot of dirt early on, only to inevitably fade away once the election gets into full swing.
Gotcha. Inflection can't be typed.
I think both parties see illegal immigration as the problem that it really is, but can't find a solution that won't end individual careers, or the chances of their party for years. Yes, that's cowardly.
It ends up being the rhetoric you describe after an election.
Abortion, however, is a real thing that conservative politicians elected last year have been moving on. A number of states have made it so restrictive for a clinic to perform and abortion that at least in one state it became effectively illegal. Strangely all of these laws were enacted by Tea Party supported politicians, who campaigned on Smaller Government, Fewer Restrictions.
Abortion became a major political topic during Nixon's reelection campaign in 1972. Pat Buchanan advised Nixon to speak out against abortion in order to court religious conservatives. It had marginal success bringing a number of Christians to vote republican who might have voted just against Vietnam.
After that the republican party realized that millions of votes could be had by making a lot of religious noises. That never thought that real zealots would infest their party.
Pardon the speechifying. Politics and coffee.
Without illegal immigrants wealthy Americans might have to pay the help a fair wage. They'd be ruined.
That is why they are in the process of making American workers earn as little as illegals through the organisation called the Republican Party.
steers and queers...
The look on Boehner's face 
The look on Boehner's face
Yes!
He keeps looking like he knew there wouldn't be enough lube on that finger.
The look on Boehner's face
He's not supposed to be too comfy with the Democrats, he's showing a strong face for his part
And hold the fecking applause for when he's done
Many congress members in the audience, John McCain in particular, look like extras from They Live.
Who's waiting for the "OMG tax cuts are throwing money at the problem!" to come out from the GOP? It's only freedom if it goes to oil companies, banks, wealthy people, and large corporations. If it's to regular people, it's communism.
Charlie Rangel. What a scumbag.
He's expecting the wealthiest Americans and the corporations to pay their fair share?!
Communist! Socialist! Fascisist!
Communist! Socialist! Fascisist!
shit...I forgot about the speech!
Boner's tie is minging. ughhh...Jackie Speier.
Boner's tie is minging. ughhh...Jackie Speier.
This applause thing gets right on my tits.
You could see Boehner considered joining the standing ovation, but thought "feck it, not this time"
He is one mighty slick President. Damned shame he had to be in office when the country is in a fecking mess.
Hilda Solis is a fox...
"That's how America can be number 1 again? What do you mean we're not number 1?!"
haha...funny applause from the repubs....almost as funny as applauding executions.
In all fairness he is talking a lot of sense. Its going to go way over the heads of the rest of the morons in the room.
It certainly is.
I like the Jabba the Hutt looking woman in red who just kinda squishes down into her chair. 
Is it fair to say he's had the best handle on rhetoric since Kennedy?
This badass mothafecka would be one hell of a President if the country actually had some money left.
He's incredibly charismatic.
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