US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

Status
Not open for further replies.
MrMarcello said:
The prevailing rebuttal is, "But it is unconstitutional for federal government to direct citizens to buy into this program."
Click to expand...

Which exact part of the constitution are they saying it contradicts?

I was under the impression that citizens could organize to create a social program if they wanted, thus we have probably 100s of them. A bit funny to me that suddenly this is supposed to be an unresolved constitutional issue.
 
Well what's really hilarious is that there's absolutely zero constitutional questions about single payer health care (or as the GOP calls it: "socialized medicine"), which would consist of collecting taxes and creating a public health insurer, i.e. making the public as a whole collectively pay for health care, whereas requiring people to purchase private insurance (or as the GOP calls it: "socialized medicine"), which consists of making the public as a whole collectively pay for health care, is some massive government overreach.
 
I was forced to pay for garbage pick-up in Seattle. 'Socialized Waste Management' we called it, and I guess it must have been unconstitutional. I wanted the right to sneak into the church parking lot next door and deposit my waste for free.
 
mjs020294 said:
Just people with a lot more money than the rest of us.
Click to expand...

Yeah but if anything, this undersells the insidiousness. It's not crusading actors trying to fight against the oil companies, and it's not bored rich people buying "dinner with the President" like it's a new yacht. It's so later when they want something, the White House will take their call.
 
The Republicans don't have a snowballs chance in the Gen this year. They haven't won it since the 80s and Obama trounced McCain by 13 points in 08.
 
I almost didn't make it to the poll last night. I was third to last before they shut the doors. It's a good thing as I reckon my vote for Obama was crucial for him getting the primary nomination here in CA.
 
Grinner said:
I almost didn't make it to the poll last night. I was third to last before they shut the doors. It's a good thing as I reckon my vote for Obama was crucial for him getting the primary nomination here in CA.
Click to expand...

Sounds to me like some evil republicans just squashed your right to vote. They obviously set the polls closing time to coincided with a certain demographic getting out to vote. the GRINNER DEMOGRAPHIC, a key one if Obama hopes to retain his spot in the White House. NO JUSTICE NO PEACE.

On a serious note, had that happen to me once. Forgot all about election day (it was one of the off year elections) got a call from the polling place asking if I was coming in to vote. By time I got there and waited in line, I ended up missing my chance to vote when the polls closed.
 
Grinner said:
I almost didn't make it to the poll last night. I was third to last before they shut the doors. It's a good thing as I reckon my vote for Obama was crucial for him getting the primary nomination here in CA.
Click to expand...

You still in the Bay Area ?
 
You can vote? I bet you have an English accent. Someone better call James O'Keefe! We have a non-citizen voting!

Even if you are a citizen...
 
My wife, who is a political correspondent and was five mintes away from the polling place all day yesterday, didn't have time to vote....according to her!
 
In a surprise early announcement that will shock the pundit class (i.e., Raoul and Red Dreams), I'm calling this for Romney.

Obama has a small lead but the economy is still quite shit and the recovery is stalling. Europe is a basket case, China's bubble is bursting and there might still be a war in the ME. Romney is uninspiring but he's a pro who knows what he's doing and has a lot of cash behind him. He will win it by a small margin.

Nate Silver has Obama ahead but only just.

I blame the stimulus for not being nearly big enough, and the Republicans for running up a massive debt in office, then being such a bunch of wankers in opposition that governing became virtually impossible.
 
Plechazunga said:
In a surprise early announcement that will shock the pundit class (i.e., Raoul and Red Dreams), I'm calling this for Romney.

Obama has a small lead but the economy is still quite shit and the recovery is stalling. Europe is a basket case, China's bubble is bursting and there might still be a war in the ME. Romney is uninspiring but he's a pro who knows what he's doing and has a lot of cash behind him. He will win it by a small margin.

Nate Silver has Obama ahead but only just.

I blame the stimulus for not being nearly big enough, and the Republicans for running up a massive debt in office, then being such a bunch of wankers in opposition that governing became virtually impossible.
Click to expand...

Anything can happen, but I suspect you're fixating more on macro level issues that aren't going to fluctuate that much between now and November, just as they haven't since last November to now. Head to head national polling will remain close, as it did in 08, but at the end of the day I can't see any path towards Romney winning all of Florida, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, and Missouri. Losing any one of those will mean Obama wins the election. Obama's burden is far lesser than Romney's.
 
Saying 'Florida, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, and Missouri' makes it sound like a lot of possible stumbling-blocks, but there are hardly any realistic scenarios in which he wins Ohio and doesn't win the others. So it's basically just saying he needs to win Ohio. If he's 2% or more ahead nationally, he probably will.
 
Plechazunga said:
Saying 'Florida, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, and Missouri' makes it sound like a lot of possible stumbling-blocks, but there are hardly any realistic scenarios in which he wins Ohio and doesn't win the others. So it's basically just saying he needs to win Ohio. If he's 2% or more ahead nationally, he probably will.
Click to expand...

I don't buy that at all Plech. He has to win each of those states and hold ALL of the previous Bush states in order to win. Each of the swing states has a different demographic and voting block that votes their core issues. Romney could easily win Missouri and North Carolina, but lose Virginia and Ohio. There are no guarantees that winning one would be tantamount to a domino effect, unless he's up significantly (5% or more) in the national polls. There are also demographic issues that play into Obama's advantage, as every four years sees more new voters who traditionally vote democrat, as well as several million new naturalized citizens who also vote Democrat. When you factor this into the mix and add the growing Hispanic population who are angry at the GOP over immigration, it becomes quite an uphill struggle for Romney. If he shocks everyone and wins, it will be because of a disparity in campaign funds that he's likely to have.
 
Nope can't see it myself. While Romney has a lot of money it isn't a case that he has that much more. There are only so many ads you can put out. Mitt also doesn't inspire. He is the Kerry of 2012. I can see Obama looking forward to the debates.

While its natural to see a tightening of the polls, Obama has a lead in pretty much every important swing state. Can't see that changing.
 
Raoul said:
I don't buy that at all Plech. He has to win each of those states and hold ALL of the previous Bush states in order to win. Each of the swing states has a different demographic and voting block that votes their core issues. Romney could easily win Missouri and North Carolina, but lose Virginia and Ohio. There are no guarantees that winning one would be tantamount to a domino effect, unless he's up significantly (5% or more) in the national polls. There are also demographic issues that play into Obama's advantage, as every four years sees more new voters who traditionally vote democrat, as well as several million new naturalized citizens who also vote Democrat. When you factor this into the mix and add the growing Hispanic population who are angry at the GOP over immigration, it becomes quite an uphill struggle for Romney. If he shocks everyone and wins, it will be because of a disparity in campaign funds that he's likely to have.
Click to expand...

And people like me that have given up on the GOP and will do whatever it takes to keep a religious nutcase tea party endorsed elephant out of office.
 
Romney needs to run the table...not impossible if the economy tanks.

The problem he has is that that even if his national poll avaearge goes in his favour, the demographics of all the swing states are very different...or at least different enough to make it very difficult for Romney. His best chance is Florida...where Obama is only margnally ahead.

Dispite the GOP win in WI, that is not a 'Romney' type of state.

Romney commited Sepuku with his 'let the auto industry go bankrupt' mantra...and he is making it even more ridiculous now saying he actually wanted the indutry to survive.

Michigan, Pensylvania and Ohio will not all go for Romney.

he has basically lost the Rust Belt states with his stand on the auto bailout.
 
Watched "Too Big To Fail" the other day, looked quite entertaining. Not sure how much of it was factual and not embellished. Hard to believe the world economy was that close to going tits up and prolonging the world into a global depression, one that may never have recovered from.
 
It's almost shocking to me how obviously the Republicans in congress have been trying to outright sabotage the governance of the US, and equally by how little the populace seems to care. This should have ensured Obama winning by double the votes. But, as always, even if he wins utterly dominating, it will be, what, 58-42%?
 
I just wish a reporter would say summat like "Mr. Romney, for a supposedly deeply religious man, why do you lie so much about President Obama's record?"
 
Status
Not open for further replies.