Romney is simply an asset stripper.
US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012
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And the electorate is not well informed/intelligent enough to realize it. Seems inevitable considering, that they'd even be brazen enough to try just shows the situation we're in.
Are we the only industrialized nation with only 2 parties? Outside of China. I can't see anything really changing without at least another party.
Proportional representation has its own problems.
But to need 60 votes in the Senate to get things passed is also ridiculous.
Our hope is that eventually we will have cooperation. Obama will win and the talk is that the moderate republicans will compromise and get things done. The tea party will be voted out this time.
But to need 60 votes in the Senate to get things passed is also ridiculous.
Our hope is that eventually we will have cooperation. Obama will win and the talk is that the moderate republicans will compromise and get things done. The tea party will be voted out this time.
You don't need 60 votes in the Senate to get things passed. That is why in the event of a tie in the Senate the VP of the US has the ability to cast the deciding vote.
I believe 60 is the votes need to end a fillibuster. To overturn a veto requires 2/3 of the vote in the Senate and in the House.
Yeah, you need 60 votes for cloture(end a fillibuster and allows a vote to be called).
Which means you need 60 votes to get things passed.
Not just major things these days.
Not necessarily, though more and more filibusters are being abused to delay more and more things.
with the current Republican opposition, its pretty much everything.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/19/bill-maher-new-rule-liberty-university_n_1530400.html
Bill Maher slams Liberty University.
Speaking of, almost weekly I have to deal with a typical middle-aged, right-wing, uber-religious white male who received his theology "degree" from Liberty. He debates me on religion, how the bible is true, gays are bad, Obama is terrible, etc. It does get tiresome and I sense this guy is completely brainwashed. After our last debate about nine/ten days ago, when he proclaimed Fox News provides "82% fact based news" compared to CNN's "54%" and MSNBC's "8%," I really gave up on the idea of holding fun debates with this loon. I now attempt to steer clear of him and when he does stop by my desk I simply let him know that I am working on a tasker and have no time.
Bill Maher slams Liberty University.
Speaking of, almost weekly I have to deal with a typical middle-aged, right-wing, uber-religious white male who received his theology "degree" from Liberty. He debates me on religion, how the bible is true, gays are bad, Obama is terrible, etc. It does get tiresome and I sense this guy is completely brainwashed. After our last debate about nine/ten days ago, when he proclaimed Fox News provides "82% fact based news" compared to CNN's "54%" and MSNBC's "8%," I really gave up on the idea of holding fun debates with this loon. I now attempt to steer clear of him and when he does stop by my desk I simply let him know that I am working on a tasker and have no time.
Speaking of schools, a great high school convocation speech.
Mitt has to be some political gymnastic Olympic champion to get out of this:
He's from Massachusetts. Much like John Kerry, he was for it before he was against it.
Also, I'm beginning to think that there should be licensing to use the internet.(Not seriously) Its prevalence has damaged our political system by allowing for easier dissemination of willfully untrue information.
How many people do we(Americans) all know who believe the shit they get in emails? Inevitably, they start off with "the media doesn't want to cover this because it's bad for ____," and then proceeds to spew complete bullshit that people believe. If people were sent this in the form of physical mail, no one would ever read it. It'd be trashed, but because it's emailed from a friend who got the forward from some other friend, they think it's legit. The worst part is trying to argue with them. "Well, the liberal media doesn't want to cover that." "That website(Snopes, PolitiFact) has been shown to have a liberal bias." The best are the "this woman died because ObamaCare death panels are secretly refusing dialysis for patients over 70" or "Obama will institute a 1% tax on all financial transactions." The first one would be publicized in the media immediately. You can't feasibly just start denying people care without creating some response or publicity. The second uses one congressman's yearly budget proposal as a bill supported by the White House, despite it being one guy who tables it every year.
I could put together an email and send it without an ounce of truth to it, no verifiable facts, no sources, nothing, and people would eat it up. I've often been tempted to start a chain email about some egregious thing that the government/Obama/Bush/whoever has done just to see it take off.
Also, we pay at least 8000% income tax, sales tax, and everything else. Taxes have never been higher.
Really, people? Are you that willfully ignorant?
"We have been had,hoodwinked,bamboozled."
Also, I'm beginning to think that there should be licensing to use the internet.(Not seriously) Its prevalence has damaged our political system by allowing for easier dissemination of willfully untrue information.
How many people do we(Americans) all know who believe the shit they get in emails? Inevitably, they start off with "the media doesn't want to cover this because it's bad for ____," and then proceeds to spew complete bullshit that people believe. If people were sent this in the form of physical mail, no one would ever read it. It'd be trashed, but because it's emailed from a friend who got the forward from some other friend, they think it's legit. The worst part is trying to argue with them. "Well, the liberal media doesn't want to cover that." "That website(Snopes, PolitiFact) has been shown to have a liberal bias." The best are the "this woman died because ObamaCare death panels are secretly refusing dialysis for patients over 70" or "Obama will institute a 1% tax on all financial transactions." The first one would be publicized in the media immediately. You can't feasibly just start denying people care without creating some response or publicity. The second uses one congressman's yearly budget proposal as a bill supported by the White House, despite it being one guy who tables it every year.
I could put together an email and send it without an ounce of truth to it, no verifiable facts, no sources, nothing, and people would eat it up. I've often been tempted to start a chain email about some egregious thing that the government/Obama/Bush/whoever has done just to see it take off.
Also, we pay at least 8000% income tax, sales tax, and everything else. Taxes have never been higher.
Really, people? Are you that willfully ignorant?
"We have been had,hoodwinked,bamboozled."
I always think that this sort of thing must happen to those who comment on stories on the websites of the Daily Mail or the Telegraph - only they could link a story about something like allergies of ethnic minority children to the institutions of the European Union, or as many refer to it as, the 'EUSSR'.
That right-wing, evangelical theology nut I mentioned above made this exact statement...
"That website (Snopes) has been shown to have a liberal bias."
And he went on to mention the creators of the site are liberals and support the dems and created this site to attack the right. I just stood there in disbelief.
"That website (Snopes) has been shown to have a liberal bias."
And he went on to mention the creators of the site are liberals and support the dems and created this site to attack the right. I just stood there in disbelief.
I even gave someone the benefit of the doubt and looked up Snopes on Wikipedia and other places to find out about its supposed biases. Both creators are apolitical. The site is neutral, but if you tell someone that, they'll just say you're wrong.
http://www.salon.com/2012/05/24/my_break_with_the_extreme_right/
This article's pretty interesting. I haven't finished it yet, but it's reasonable so far.
http://www.salon.com/2012/05/24/my_break_with_the_extreme_right/
This article's pretty interesting. I haven't finished it yet, but it's reasonable so far.
If you bring up facts that oppose views held by righties...you are a liberal.
Senators and Congressmen used to be able to work together....Not anymore.
Interesting discussion this morning on Morning Joe.
http://mojoe.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...norman-ornsteins-its-even-worse-than-it-looks
Senators and Congressmen used to be able to work together....Not anymore.
Interesting discussion this morning on Morning Joe.
http://mojoe.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...norman-ornsteins-its-even-worse-than-it-looks
I'd fecking smash Mika.
The Gingrich interview on Hardball today is surprisingly candid.
It is disconcerting to me that such a vast number of Americans deem Obama insufficiently right wing. Democrats have a monumental task with their campaign to reshape the politicial agenda to stymie this ultra-right wing jinogist drift. It's sad to hear to some of the fear dissiminated by the shock-jocks and propagandist evoking such anguish from the masses.
Obama's has effectively ran a Center-Right administration and is hardly careening towards egalitarianism. Under the current climate, Romney has a outstanding chance, barring an attack on Iran.
Obama's has effectively ran a Center-Right administration and is hardly careening towards egalitarianism. Under the current climate, Romney has a outstanding chance, barring an attack on Iran.
He's socialist because the President is near.
Blazing saddles joke
Blazing saddles joke
Romney has just committed seppuku.
Admitted that any further spending cuts would cause a depression.
Later Republican support. Good game kid.
Admitted that any further spending cuts would cause a depression.
Later Republican support. Good game kid.
ooops....if the teabaggers were ever considering supporting him, I think they've now changed their minds.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/total-eclipse/?hp
Hey, Mexico, what's your return policy on Arizona?
Hey, Mexico, what's your return policy on Arizona?
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/may/27/kansas-tax-act-most-regressive-nation/
A challenger appears! Kansas is fecking retarded.
A challenger appears! Kansas is fecking retarded.
are you shitting me? Snopes is a right wing mecca. I swear that crowd will try and flip everything to get tractionHasnt had much choice has he with the two wars and huge deficit clown shoes left him. Apart from the race issue, which is so brutally obvious, his detractors have latched on to Obamacare because how dare the government help those without health coverage get it..its so unamerican and big government.
Yep, personal beliefs dont mean shit when theres a presidency to win and a party line to tow.
Well with both Obama and Mitt having their parties nominations locked up we can now focus on the complete waste of time,money and effort that are the conventions. Gavel to Gavel TV coverage of what are just campaign ads.
To be honest they should all save their parties, themselves and the host cities a ton of money and just cancel the useless things. Definately the TV Networks should at most show the highlights or better yet make the parties pay for the coverage, since they are really nothing except campaign ads anymore.
To be honest they should all save their parties, themselves and the host cities a ton of money and just cancel the useless things. Definately the TV Networks should at most show the highlights or better yet make the parties pay for the coverage, since they are really nothing except campaign ads anymore.
There is a very interesting piece o Romney's mother in this week's Time, how he is more of her than his father's son and what he learned from her failed 1970 run.
She would be seen by today's GOP as a leftie.
She would be seen by today's GOP as a leftie.
Justice Department Demands Florida Stop Purging Voter Rolls
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme..._demands_florida_stop_purging_voter_rolls.php
The Justice Department sent a letter to Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner Thursday evening demanding the state cease purging its voting rolls because the process it is using has not been cleared under the Voting Rights Act, TPM has learned.
DOJ also said that Florida’s voter roll purge violated the National Voter Registration Act, which stipulates that voter roll maintenance should have ceased 90 days before an election, which given Florida’s August 14 primary, meant May 16.
Five of Florida’s counties are subject to the Voting Rights Act, but the state never sought permission from either the Justice Department or a federal court to implement its voter roll maintenance program. Florida officials said they were trying to remove non-citizens from the voting rolls, but a flawed process led to several U.S. citizens being asked to prove their citizenship status or be kicked off the rolls.
Six members of Congress wrote Gov. Rick Scott earlier this week demanding that he stop purging the state’s voting rolls since the process improperly flagged numerous individuals who were eligible to vote.
“To enable us to meet our responsibility to enforce federal law, please inform us by June 6 of the action that the State of Florida plans to take concerning the matters discussed in this letter,” Christian Herren, chief of the voting section of DOJ’s Civil Rights Division, wrote in the letter obtained by TPM. “Specifically, please advise whether the State intends to cease the practice discussed above, so that the Department can determine what futher action, if any, is necessary.”
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme..._demands_florida_stop_purging_voter_rolls.php
The Justice Department sent a letter to Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner Thursday evening demanding the state cease purging its voting rolls because the process it is using has not been cleared under the Voting Rights Act, TPM has learned.
DOJ also said that Florida’s voter roll purge violated the National Voter Registration Act, which stipulates that voter roll maintenance should have ceased 90 days before an election, which given Florida’s August 14 primary, meant May 16.
Five of Florida’s counties are subject to the Voting Rights Act, but the state never sought permission from either the Justice Department or a federal court to implement its voter roll maintenance program. Florida officials said they were trying to remove non-citizens from the voting rolls, but a flawed process led to several U.S. citizens being asked to prove their citizenship status or be kicked off the rolls.
Six members of Congress wrote Gov. Rick Scott earlier this week demanding that he stop purging the state’s voting rolls since the process improperly flagged numerous individuals who were eligible to vote.
“To enable us to meet our responsibility to enforce federal law, please inform us by June 6 of the action that the State of Florida plans to take concerning the matters discussed in this letter,” Christian Herren, chief of the voting section of DOJ’s Civil Rights Division, wrote in the letter obtained by TPM. “Specifically, please advise whether the State intends to cease the practice discussed above, so that the Department can determine what futher action, if any, is necessary.”
Judge Blocks Florida’s Third-Party Voter Registration Restrictions
A federal judge on Thursday blocked a controversial Florida law signed by Gov. Rick Scott that sharply curtailed third-party groups’ ability to register voters and forced many of them to discontinue their voter-registration drives.
In a 27-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Robert L. Hinkle said there was little justification for a “harsh and impractical” 48-hour deadline for organizations to deliver applications to a voter-registration offices. Granting a preliminary injunction, Hinkle said such restrictions “effectively prohibit an organization from mailing applications in” and “impose burdensome record-keeping and reporting requirements that serve little if any purpose.”
“The short deadline, coupled with substantial penalties for noncompliance, make voter-registration drives a risky business,” Hinkle wrote. “If the goal is to discourage voter-registration drives and thus also to make it harder for new voters to register, the 48-hour deadline may succeed. But if the goal is to further the state’s legitimate interests without unduly burdening the rights of voters and voter registration organizations, 48 hours is a bad choice.”
Hinkle said the statute and rules regarding third-party voter registration were “not well crafted” and “virtually unintelligible, close to the point, if not past the point, at which a statute — especially one that regulates First Amendment rights and is accompanied by substantial penalties — becomes void for vagueness.”
Voting-rights groups and Democratic lawmakers, even more fired up in recent weeks over Scott’s decision to purge the state’s voter rolls of eligible voters, welcomed the decision.
“This law clearly was designed to stop people from voting, and I’m glad to see the judge’s ruling,” Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL) said in a statement.
“This is a huge win and sends a strong signal to officials in Florida and other states that if you erect barriers to registering voters, we will fight back,” Rock the Vote President Heather Smith said in a statement. “The ruling today serves as a reminder that voter registration activities are a fundamental and protected part of our democracy. We are hopeful that our volunteers can now get back to the civic engagement work we’ve been doing successfully around the country for two decades: engaging young people in their communities and educating them on the electoral process.”
The League of Women Voters dropped their registration drive over the restrictions last summer. The Justice Department objected to the restrictions under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act back in March and said the law might have been passed with the purpose of discriminating against minority voters.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme...y_voter_registration_restrictions.php?ref=fpa
A federal judge on Thursday blocked a controversial Florida law signed by Gov. Rick Scott that sharply curtailed third-party groups’ ability to register voters and forced many of them to discontinue their voter-registration drives.
In a 27-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Robert L. Hinkle said there was little justification for a “harsh and impractical” 48-hour deadline for organizations to deliver applications to a voter-registration offices. Granting a preliminary injunction, Hinkle said such restrictions “effectively prohibit an organization from mailing applications in” and “impose burdensome record-keeping and reporting requirements that serve little if any purpose.”
“The short deadline, coupled with substantial penalties for noncompliance, make voter-registration drives a risky business,” Hinkle wrote. “If the goal is to discourage voter-registration drives and thus also to make it harder for new voters to register, the 48-hour deadline may succeed. But if the goal is to further the state’s legitimate interests without unduly burdening the rights of voters and voter registration organizations, 48 hours is a bad choice.”
Hinkle said the statute and rules regarding third-party voter registration were “not well crafted” and “virtually unintelligible, close to the point, if not past the point, at which a statute — especially one that regulates First Amendment rights and is accompanied by substantial penalties — becomes void for vagueness.”
Voting-rights groups and Democratic lawmakers, even more fired up in recent weeks over Scott’s decision to purge the state’s voter rolls of eligible voters, welcomed the decision.
“This law clearly was designed to stop people from voting, and I’m glad to see the judge’s ruling,” Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL) said in a statement.
“This is a huge win and sends a strong signal to officials in Florida and other states that if you erect barriers to registering voters, we will fight back,” Rock the Vote President Heather Smith said in a statement. “The ruling today serves as a reminder that voter registration activities are a fundamental and protected part of our democracy. We are hopeful that our volunteers can now get back to the civic engagement work we’ve been doing successfully around the country for two decades: engaging young people in their communities and educating them on the electoral process.”
The League of Women Voters dropped their registration drive over the restrictions last summer. The Justice Department objected to the restrictions under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act back in March and said the law might have been passed with the purpose of discriminating against minority voters.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme...y_voter_registration_restrictions.php?ref=fpa
some good news.
You know this message in its various forms will be ramping up in the next few months:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/01/obama-sped-up-cyberattack-iran
I guess this belongs in here as much as it does the Iran thread.
I guess this belongs in here as much as it does the Iran thread.
I suppose I need to ask these old-disgruntled-uber-religious-white-right-wingers near my office on their thoughts about Romneycare since they keep bitching about Obamacare, hehe. I am quite sure they'll have some bullshit to spout.
think some on the GOP side are conceeding they cannot get rid of all the provisions like Pre-existing conditions and kids up to 26 years old being on the parents plans.
Its like the old Medicare and Social Security situation
The prevailing rebuttal is, "But it is unconstitutional for federal government to direct citizens to buy into this program."
the alternative is Medicare for all...
I would prefer it tbh
I would prefer it tbh
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