US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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BTW....there are four Supreme Court justices who are in their mid to late 70s at the moment and another four year Obama term could see him replacing several of them. Its an absolutely critical election this time, especially with Scalia, potentially retiring.
 
Yeah. Obama's biggest danger at this point is Europe imploding and reversing the US recovery. The GOP are almost certainly going to reclaim the Senate so its imperative for the Dems to retain the White House.

I think Obama is very safe in terms of re-election, I was more thinking of future elections.
 
BTW....there are four Supreme Court justices who are in their mid to late 70s at the moment and another four year Obama term could see him replacing several of them. Its an absolutely critical election this time, especially with Scalia, potentially retiring.

This is something that really needs to be sorted. They need to get rid of lifetime appointments. These judges end up having a more important and lasting legacy than some presidents.
 
BTW....there are four Supreme Court justices who are in their mid to late 70s at the moment and another four year Obama term could see him replacing several of them. Its an absolutely critical election this time, especially with Scalia, potentially retiring.

You don't think that rotten bastard will try to hang on until a Republican President can be elected?
 
This is something that really needs to be sorted. They need to get rid of lifetime appointments. These judges end up having a more important and lasting legacy than some presidents.

Ginsburg is 79, so she is definitely not staying much longer. Scalia is 76 and Kennedy is 75, and even Stephen Breyer is 73. All of them should be replaced soon, hopefully in Obama's 2nd term. That would really screw the GOP on a lot of social issues going forward. :)
 
This is something that really needs to be sorted. They need to get rid of lifetime appointments. These judges end up having a more important and lasting legacy than some presidents.

They're supposed to, the executive manages the government, the legislature creates the law and the judiciary interprets and enforces them.

With regards to the uncodified British Constitution it is the judiciary that was by far and away the most important part of the government in the creation of liberty and the system of government we have today and as a consequence the commonwealth realms and the United States.

Stare Decisis is the single most powerful block on our respective governments.
 
BTW....there are four Supreme Court justices who are in their mid to late 70s at the moment and another four year Obama term could see him replacing several of them. Its an absolutely critical election this time, especially with Scalia, potentially retiring.

Always a big issue, a Presidents way to leave a truly lasting mark on the country.

There is occassionally talk about ending the lifetime appointments, limiting them to 10 years or something like that. I doubt see any kind of momentum for that to happen however.
 
This is something that really needs to be sorted. They need to get rid of lifetime appointments. These judges end up having a more important and lasting legacy than some presidents.

The United States Constitution does not set out the powers of the judiciary as it does the executive or legislature so it would require the Supreme Court to downscale its own importance.
 
Always a big issue, a Presidents way to leave a truly lasting mark on the country.

There is occassionally talk about ending the lifetime appointments, limiting them to 10 years or something like that. I doubt see any kind of momentum for that to happen however.

You'd need to amend the constitution. No way this'll get that sort of support.
 
The United States Constitution does not set out the powers of the judiciary as it does the executive or legislature so it would require the Supreme Court to downscale its own importance.

It doesn't set out specific powers, but the lifetime appointment is quite clearly set out, meaning the amendment process would be how that'd change.
 
It doesn't set out specific powers, but the lifetime appointment is quite clearly set out, meaning the amendment process would be how that'd change.

It does set out that justices have to be in good standing which can be interpreted in a whole myriad of different ways.
 
Obama first President in history to announce his support for gay marriage.

Respect +2.
 
Obama first President in history to announce his support for gay marriage.

Respect +2.


He leaves it to the states though as opposed to making it a fully fledged federal policy and therefore an election issue.
 
That's kind of the the point of separation of powers.

No I get that...but I'm not quite sure the founding fathers pictured the Supreme Court quite the way it is now...And I mean that both sides of politics. Democracts hoping Obama gets to appoint 2-3 justices so that 'liberals' can hold sway for the next 20 years and vice versa...
 
You don't think that rotten bastard will try to hang on until a Republican President can be elected?

I think he will die as a judge. He is an evil bastard.

But there will be no more Republican Presidents in the foreseable future imo....assuming they remain the current whites only party.

Hispanics and Blacks will be the majority in 15 to 20 years and even now both groups are trending 80% and 90% respectively for Democrats.

A man like Lugar being defeated in teh primaries....

If I were a moderate Republican, I would be scared shit.
 
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:lol::lol::lol:
 
I don't think he would have done this if it wasn't backed up by polling data indicating it wouldn't thwart him in November.
 

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Romney Responds

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney on Wednesday reiterated that he opposes same-sex marriage, a few hours after President Barack Obama said for the first time he supports it.

"My view is that marriage itself is a relationship between a man and a woman and that's my own preference," Romney told reporters in Oklahoma. "I know other people have differing views. This is a very tender and sensitive topic, as are many social issues, but I have the same view that I've had since running for office."

Obama came out in support of same-sex marriage on Wednesday in an interview with ABC. The announcement prompted a flurry of responses, from Democrats praising his statements to Republicans decrying them. (See the slideshow below for some reactions.)

Romney said he supports states' rights to make decisions on domestic partnership benefits, including hospital visitation. Obama, while saying he personally supports same-sex marriage, also said the issue should be left to the states to decide.

Romney's comments were far more measured than some other Republicans, who have openly accused the president of disrespecting religion and using the issue for political gain. Former GOP candidate Rick Santorum, for example, put out a statement shortly after Romney's remarks that claimed Obama "has consistently fought against protecting the institution of marriage from radical social engineering at both the state and federal level."

When asked whether Obama flip-flopped on same-sex marriage -- an accusation Romney has some experience with -- the presumptive Republican presidential nominee acknowledged the president's change, but said he'd leave the significance for others to decide.

"If that's the case, then you’ll be able to make that determination on your own," Romney said.

Romney told a local Denver TV station earlier on Wednesday that he opposes both same-sex marriage and civil unions.

"Well, when these issues were raised in my state of Massachusetts, I indicated my view, which is I do not favor marriage between people of the same gender, and I do not favor civil unions if they are identical to marriage other than by name," Romney told Denver Fox affiliate KDVR-TV.
 
Interestingly, Shep Smith said the 'president was now in the 21st century' and described the Republicans as being 'on the wrong side of history' on the topic.

He is the most moderate person they have, and also the most popular from what I can tell.
 
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:lol: somebody needs to tell them that the man they claim is the greatest to ever live- an infallible super being worthy of worship as the true son of god lost a vote against a murderer, if people voting for someone else is a sign of shittiness...

in this story a prisoner lost to Obama in a democratic primary in... WEST VIR-f#ckin-GINIA the most backward and racist state. Big woop

Edited: my information was incorrect
 
Not even close, 61-39. Problem with these issues is, the anti gay vote is always more vocal, more impassioned. The 'pro-gay' vote, too many people are....

"I don't care if gays get married, but I'm not lining up to fecking vote on it"

Not just that, but the law was very confusingly worded, once again you had to vote 'Yes' to ban gay marriage.

In polls, a majority of NC residents are in favour or gay marriage, as is the case nationally
 
I suspect Obama has looked at the numbers indicating the dispassion of young voters compared to 2008 and picked out the topic most likely to whip up indignation and inspire young liberals. It seems pretty obvious to me that marriage doesn't mean christian marriage and the state has no right to restrict someone's access to married status by gender.
 
I suspect Obama has looked at the numbers indicating the dispassion of young voters compared to 2008 and picked out the topic most likely to whip up indignation and inspire young liberals. It seems pretty obvious to me that marriage doesn't mean christian marriage and the state has no right to restrict someone's access to married status by gender.

nah, its about the gay donors to his presidential campaign. If it motivates his core voters thats great for him.. he doesn't spend much time thinking about them, tbh!

I hadn't done any reading into the subject before I took the guess that it was because donors were demanding more from him for their money, but it may be accurate

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ve-order-punt/2012/05/07/gIQAPKsl8T_blog.html

Its always about the money with him
 
Although black voters tend to oppose gay marriage, they aren't exactly going to get all indignant and vote for Romney. The only people angered by Obama's statement today are those that would never vote for him anyway.

In ten years time everybody will laugh about this as even being an issue. I'm all for a party that seeks to expand civil rights rather than limit them.
 
I find it really bizarre that Obama is leading in Virginia and North Carolina. The demographics in those states must have really changed over the past 4-8 years. True, he won both in 08, but they're also both traditionally red states with strong tea party elements. If this is a turning into a permanent trend where the GOP are going to start losing both states in Presidential elections, their hope of regaining the Presidency is going to be almost non-existent.

VA is changing a lot in the heavily populated and democratic areas of the DC suburbs. If you do a color coded map the vote hasn't changed much, just the total number of votes in specific districts.

I suspect parts of NC are similar with a lot of people moving down there from the north east cities to escape the hustle and bustle. They have a name for the areas in NC that are getting more populated but that name escapes me right now.
 
VA is changing a lot in the heavily populated and democratic areas of the DC suburbs. If you do a color coded map the vote hasn't changed much, just the total number of votes in specific districts.

I suspect parts of NC are similar with a lot of people moving down there from the north east cities to escape the hustle and bustle. They have a name for the areas in NC that are getting more populated but that name escapes me right now.

The Triangle(Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill), Triad(Greensboro, Winston-Salem, and High Point), and Charlotte. There's also Cary(Containment Area for Relocated Yankees) which is in the Triangle.
 
The use of 'American' and 'Americans' is getting ridiculous now, it's like 8 million every speech. It seems like politicians are scared to use the word 'people' alone, and will either say 'American people' or just 'Americans'. Obama's doing it too, Dems obviously feel they have to up the ante to compete.
 
This chart suggests his timing is good

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That explains it then, especially the fact that Obama/Biden were pro marriage between a man and woman in 08, but now that they have polling evidence that it won't hurt them in November, they've decided to publicly make the switch.
 
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