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Smells like propaganda.

Cuomo has already signaled his interest in single payer and education subsidies well before Nixon's candidacy.
 
so none of the things mentioned in my post then

Those aren't core issues though are they. I somehow doubt people are going to rush to the polls about Cuomo's policy on legalizing hippie lettuce.

If the progressive movement had more popular support then surely she would be neck and neck with him in the polls.
 
Yes because that's how elections work. A challenger who half the voters dont know about and an incumbent from a political dynasty are neck and neck 5 months away from the primary or else everything they stand for is discredited. Where did Obama pull in July 07? Where did trump pull in August 15?
 
Yes because that's how elections work. A challenger who half the voters dont know about and an incumbent from a political dynasty are neck and neck 5 months away from the primary or else everything they stand for is discredited. Where did Obama pull in July 07? Where did trump pull in August 15?

Nixon didn't exactly just fall off the back of a turnip trick. She's been a been a nationally known celebrity for decades.
 
Progressives kicking ass in NY i see.



Those figures aren't atrocious for an outsider up against an incumbent. As has been shown she's on an upward trend and while he'll almost certainly win comfortably she's doing enough to perhaps at least bring attention to certain key issues she wants highlighted.
 
Despite your just asserting it to be true, 44% of Democrats have no opinion of her yet. There is plenty of room for her to improve.

I'm sure her numbers will improve over time, but if Cuomo holds stead on the core progressive issues (healthcare and education) then she won't get anywhere near him.
 
Those figures aren't atrocious for an outsider up against an incumbent. As has been shown she's on an upward trend and while he'll almost certainly win comfortably she's doing enough to perhaps at least bring attention to certain key issues she wants highlighted.

That's probably what role she will play in the end. Someone who pushes Cuomo a bit more towards the base. He has to a degree already outflanked any potential competitors on the Dem side by getting on board with Single Payer and Tuition Free.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...le-payer-health-care-system-article-1.3504271

https://www.insidehighered.com/news...l-provide-free-tuition-suny-and-cuny-students
 
so you're backing off the "progressives kicking ass" thing and now claiming that he is going to win because he is progressive

He isn't progressive. He's establishment who is taking on a couple of popular policies. Hardcore progressives aren't faring particularly well across the board.
 
That's probably what role she will play in the end. Someone who pushes Cuomo a bit more towards the base. He has to a degree already outflanked any potential competitors on the Dem side by getting on board with Single Payer and Tuition Free.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...le-payer-health-care-system-article-1.3504271

https://www.insidehighered.com/news...l-provide-free-tuition-suny-and-cuny-students

Which probably highlights the benefit of someone like Nixon getting involved. She may not win but if he's moderating his policy it demonstrates he's willing to those who support Nixon and who don't think he's left-wing/progressive enough.
 
Which probably highlights the benefit of someone like Nixon getting involved. She may not win but if he's moderating his policy it demonstrates he's willing to those who support Nixon and who don't think he's left-wing/progressive enough.

Yes, except he began moderating his policies well before she became involved.
 
Yes, except he began moderating his policies well before she became involved.

Except he didnt, as I demonstrated above and you just waved away with some nonsense about propoganda. If you think ending the drug war, strengthening labor unions and fixing public transportation aren't important issues to progressives then you are out of touch with what progressives on the ground actually want.
 
Yes, except he began moderating his policies well before she became involved.

Probably because he's well-aware of the demand for change among progressives in the wake of Trump, and knows that if he doesn't moderate his policies he'll be in trouble.
 
Except he didnt, as I demonstrated above and you just waved away with some nonsense about propoganda. If you think ending the drug war, strengthening labor unions and fixing public transportation aren't important issues to progressives then you are out of touch with what progressives on the ground actually want.

Weed and unions aren't core issues that animate voters. Jobs, healthcare, and education - tangible issues that affect broad swaths of the population, are. So far progressive candidates have largely whiffed in the various one off congressional elections over the past 15 months. Its the likes of Conor Lamb and Doug Jones who have been successful. Had the Dems put up progressives in those areas they would've been obliterated. Centrists are going to be more successful in most instances.
 
Probably because he's well-aware of the demand for change among progressives in the wake of Trump, and knows that if he doesn't moderate his policies he'll be in trouble.

I think Cuomo, like most politicians, understands the political climate is amenable to certain policies.
 
Weed and unions aren't core issues that animate voters. Jobs, healthcare, and education - tangible issues that affect broad swaths of the population, are. So far progressive candidates have largely whiffed in the various one off congressional elections over the past 15 months. Its the likes of Conor Lamb and Doug Jones who have been successful. Had the Dems put up progressives in those areas they would've been obliterated. Centrists are going to be more successful in most instances.

Which progressive candidates are you referring to?
 
Which progressive candidates are you referring to?

Good point. Where are all the progressives and why aren't they running more ? If the progressive movement represents the base of the Dem party in the present, then surely there would be more running and winning in various elections over the past year.
 
Good point. Where are all the progressives and why aren't they running more ? If the progressive movement represents the base of the Dem party in the present, then surely there would be more running and winning in various elections over the past year.

https://theintercept.com/2018/01/23/dccc-democratic-primaries-congress-progressives/


This is a very interesting article about the roadblocks within the democratic party to true left wing reform
 
As if the day couldn't get any worse, I come home to find out that a Bush has died and it's one of the less evil ones. :(
 
The race to watch out for will be the AZ8 special election next week. Hiral Tipirnini, and Indian-American doctor is in a dead heat against a pro-Trump woman in a district Trump won by 21 points.

Tipirnini has been promoting a centrist Dem message on healthcare and if she wins, following the Conor Lamb win last month, it will be a signal for the Dems that they can win on a centrist message.

 
Of course they can win on that message in 2018. They could win on dredging up the corpse Obamacare with the Microsoft office paperclip helping you fill out the forms. This will be a wave election and they could also win with actual progressive policies that make people's lives better and build a base of support that comes out to protect single payer and a higher minimum wage and paid maternity / paternity leave nationwide. But they won't. They will instead elect a wave of ex spooks, Blue Cross Blue Shield lobbyists, audi dealership owners and tech startup angel investors. That group will do feck all, theyll get cast out when voters realise they've been had and Democrats will spend the next 6 years asking what's the matter with kansas.
 
Smells like propaganda.

Cuomo has already signaled his interest in single payer and education subsidies well before Nixon's candidacy.

He has also worked hard to keep the senate in Republican control so that none of those things can ever pass.
https://www.politico.com/states/new...uomo-noninterference-story-falls-apart-049022

I don't think she can win - I think a Lee Carter (GOP district) is more likely than a Larry Krasner (Philadelphia) because the Democrats tend to have solid operations in most cities.
 
Of course they can win on that message in 2018. They could win on dredging up the corpse Obamacare with the Microsoft office paperclip helping you fill out the forms. This will be a wave election and they could also win with actual progressive policies that make people's lives better and build a base of support that comes out to protect single payer and a higher minimum wage and paid maternity / paternity leave nationwide. But they won't. They will instead elect a wave of ex spooks, Blue Cross Blue Shield lobbyists, audi dealership owners and tech startup angel investors. That group will do feck all, theyll get cast out when voters realise they've been had and Democrats will spend the next 6 years asking what's the matter with kansas.

If Congress were actually willing to give Americans affordable healthcare and not care about pharmaceutical industry profits and campaign donations, 5 years later the law would have been a lot better. It may not have been perfect but you can't argue now that Obamacare is failing whilst trying to undermine it.