are they being exploited? Know a lot of people on H1Bs in the US and don't think any of them would say that
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A very good, free-to-read, article by Norman Matloff (an emeritus professor of computer science at the University of California, Davis) titled:
"How the H-1B System Undercuts American Workers"
Disclaimer: I'm not familiar with the compactmag, but I fished it out of a conservative subreddit and at a quick scan it seems to have a conservative tilt. Just as an FYI.
"How the H-1B System Undercuts American Workers"
Disclaimer: I'm not familiar with the compactmag, but I fished it out of a conservative subreddit and at a quick scan it seems to have a conservative tilt. Just as an FYI.
fair - speaking as an outsider and the houses / holidays and not what goes on behind the scenes. Thanks for the youtube - skimmed it over but a pretty solid watch that
A US H1B visa is tied to the employer that filed the petition, whilst you can change job for that employeryou cannot move to a different employer without making a new application
It's also illegal, when you go thru immigration on a H1B visa they give you a leaflet outlining your rights to fair pay etc and who to contact if you are think you are being exploited
But you do not need to win the lottery again to be able to change the employee, correct? It is more an administrative procedure rather than the nightmare process to get H1B in the first place.
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Not entirely true. You can work for a different employer while remaining in status as long as the new employer has filed for you. You also have about 2 months to find something else if you were to lose the job of the original petitioner.
Indeed and as long as you don't travel
Not entirely sure but I'm fairly sure the same restrictions are in place
Congress sanctions the ICC and Karim Khan.
Disgraceful. The tweeter also sounds like a cnut.
Yeah, I replaced the tweeter.
"22-year-old UPenn grad, incoming MIT student dedicated to combating anti-Americanism"
Sounds like an insufferable little shit.
A solid step forward for the rules-based international order (as against the fakeness of an order based on "international law")
Cuellar is a fecking rat.
You're talking shit.
It' easy for anybody that isn't Indian / Chinese / Mexican due to the diversity lottery. For us, we are fecked
Not true. Full H1B fraud industry on low wages exists.
Woah, stop sitting on the fence. Say what you really feel.
It's not something I'm knowledgeable about outside of what I've read or seen over the years so this thread with people talking from personal experience has been great to get some actual insight rather than skewed or biased reporting. I must admit though, much of what I have read or seen has always strongly suggested that while many on these visas are well paid, sadly many are not and this thread supports that.
I expect those workers who are getting exploited are mostly too scared to say anything given that could get them deported
There are definintely some abuses going on, how widespread it is I have no idea
Woah, stop sitting on the fence. Say what you really feel.
It's not something I'm knowledgeable about outside of what I've read or seen over the years so this thread with people talking from personal experience has been great to get some actual insight rather than skewed or biased reporting. I must admit though, much of what I have read or seen has always strongly suggested that while many on these visas are well paid, sadly many are not and this thread supports that.
I have personal experience of myself, who is white British but also numerous people who are Indian which wwith hom I have worked with that were on H1B visas.
None of the people I ever worked with were underpaid, they were paid the same as their fellow workers, some of them are now permanent residents and some returned home.
I suspect, but I have no proof, that abuses that do go one are implemented generally by American companies, why do I suspect this, because American companies tend to have the worst benefit packages because they aren't mandated by law,
When I've looked at the jobs market for positions that might interest me, in the majority of cases the best benefits are usually associated with non-US owned companies, nenefits such as parental leave, bereavement leave, more than 30 days vacation per year, life insurance, disability insurance
Absolutely. Better to be exploited in the USA than earning next to feck all and living in abject poverty or constant or potential danger. That's the trouble with the disparity of the countries many of those on visas arrive from. The dream of life in the US, even one where you are exploited, is still often far more preferable to the alternative of staying put. Also, I expect many believe that by simply being in the US and often being more qualified gives them a far better chance of other jobs and improving their circumstances again over being back in their own country.
The fact that Vindman was at the forefront of defending democracy from Trump and Putin and is at the forefront of this, shows how the two projects are well connected.
That makes sense, and all the stories I have seen regarding exploitation are from US companies. Also, no disrespect but you being white British probably means (please correct me if I'm wrong) you entered on the visa from a far better financial and secure status than many who come from poorer, more impoverished or potentially volatile and dangerous places.
You would also have the added benefit of being white, and having a connection with many US citizens given the way many in the states view Brits compared to those who say come from India or Pakistan.
I see it here all the time, it truly amazes me still to this day those who think anyone from that part of Asia is a Paki (please excuse the vernacular, I find it abhorrent) in many eyes they don't see or care about the difference and since 9/11 anyone of that ethnicity is considered Muslim too. It disgusts me how many people still talk and think like this.
Ffs, the amount of people I heard making that nasty slur against Sunak when he was PM truly baffled and enraged me. The guy is a fecking Hindu, yet according to many he's a Muslim. Personally he's a rich Tory wanker, doesn't matter to me his religion or families origin, however again it shows the fear and ignorance aimed towards anyone not white and especially those from India or Pakistan.
I saw a CNN report on the work visas in the states and showed that much of the exploitation of workers was mainly found in states outside California and New York, although they did feature a tech company from India that truly exploited their own people extremely badly.
Florida was highlighted as being especially problematic to foreigners on work visas and featured on six workers who moved from India, three of which were Doctors, one was a teacher, one was an IT engineer and the other was in advertising who moved from working in a call center in Mumbai who had two degrees and could speak 4 languages. Three worked in Cali one in NYC and two in Florida and the difference in their stories of how they were treated, paid and accepted in their local communities was incredibly different. Again though, that's a tiny sample out of millions of examples so I really didn't think it was fair to be able to form an opinion, but reading other articles kind of showed that job and location were definitely important to how people were paid, accepted and treated.
Mind you, the same programme also featured exploitation of those employed in private households be it nannies, gardeners or independent contractors like plumbers, electricians and builders etc. Many of those workers were Mexican and it definitely seemed that those guys had it far worse at work but had it easier outside of work given the communities in the areas they lived. All in all though I could see similarities in how many are treated over here in the UK. Ultimately being White British in the UK it's something I've not faced and ultimately feel utterly ashamed and disgusted that others do, daily.
Para 1: It was an inter-office transfer so was much easier for me, it's also an Anglo-Ducth company
Third para: I've seen more predjudices like that in the UK than I have in the US, but I haven't lived in a rural area where I suspect it would be more prevelant, if you did that where I work you'd be out the door before your feet touched the ground!
Last ParaThese kind of jobs wouldn't be H1B, they'd be a different visa and yeah that sort of treatment goes on and is appaling
A lot of my in-laws are Republicans who would never vote for a Democrat... ever, some are even Trumpers and one or two are definitely racist though they'd never admit it, they won't talk politics with me because one of them tried it once and I ran rings round them so much they've never tried again - mind you I've seen them for a year or so so I suspect next time I'm there I'll get a few smirks
New evidence of widespread wage theft in the H-1B visa program
Corporate document reveals how tech firms ignore the law and systematically rob migrant workershttps://www.epi.org/publication/new-evidence-widespread-wage-theft-in-the-h-1b-program/
^Going back to 2021.
Bernie Sanders, workers rights orgs and unions have spent years highlighting the negatives of h-1bs and criticising the exploitation that arises.
A podcast detailing stories of labour trafficking abuses and exploitation with links to the visas from 2020:
https://podbay.fm/p/trueanon/e/1591036463
You can't ignore what are longstanding legitimate concerns about exploitation and work precariousness by saying "well the people I know" or "130k sounds a lot to me". It makes you sound like an unserious person and bootlicker.
Para 1: It was an inter-office transfer so was much easier for me, it's also an Anglo-Ducth company
Third para: I've seen more predjudices like that in the UK than I have in the US, but I haven't lived in a rural area where I suspect it would be more prevelant, if you did that where I work you'd be out the door before your feet touched the ground!
Last ParaThese kind of jobs wouldn't be H1B, they'd be a different visa and yeah that sort of treatment goes on and is appaling
A lot of my in-laws are Republicans who would never vote for a Democrat... ever, some are even Trumpers and one or two are definitely racist though they'd never admit it, they won't talk politics with me because one of them tried it once and I ran rings round them so much they've never tried again - mind you I've seen them for a year or so so I suspect next time I'm there I'll get a few smirks
Believe me, you don't see these things in a workplace, well maybe in more independent places like privately owned or ran pubs, shops etc but I wouldn't tolerate any of my staff speaking like that. Mind you, I banned two people for wearing Liverpool shirts at work so I'm a bit of a prick anyway
It's more just the general attitude and way many people speak regarding not just immigrants, but even those born here but obviously from immigrant parents or grandparents etc.
I've got a Dutch mate who I've known for 30 years through DJ'ing and record selling and he's very vocal about things he struggles with as he's married to a lady who moved over to The Netherlands from Goa. He's been in trouble for fighting at work a couple of times over defending his wife's and his mixed race kids ethnicity.
Back on topic ish, I've in-laws in Florida they recently relocated to places I'm unfamiliar with (Sarasota and Naples) and much the same as you, I can't talk politics with them as they are hardcore Republicans, huge hunting nuts and massive racists who all constantly brag about how cheap their immigrant workers are yet they all constantly moan about immigrants taking over the US and how they should all be kicked out. They firmly believe theUS should be white American only yet if I asked if they would be happy if they lost their staff they say no because they wouldn't make as much if they had to pay qualified US workers and would struggle to find workers who would do as many hours or have the experience. But I have no doubt they would treat anyone the same regardless so it all boils down to money at the end of the day.
Seing as 70% of those on HB-1 visas are from India, that's probably why more is made of the racial aspect, but I have no doubt if a boss or company is exploiting its workers they wouldn't care what colour or religion someone is, just how much they could gain from the people they exploit.
As I mentioned earlier, I was talking for tech industry, which I think leads on H1B. I do not know much about the other industries.
Just shows how some of these folks are so ignorant, they brag about the cheap immigrant workers and then elect politicians who actively want to kick them out of the country so American's can have 'high-paying' jobs and then they moan about the cost of everything going upBelieve me, you don't see these things in a workplace, well maybe in more independent places like privately owned or ran pubs, shops etc but I wouldn't tolerate any of my staff speaking like that. Mind you, I banned two people for wearing Liverpool shirts at work so I'm a bit of a prick anyway
It's more just the general attitude and way many people speak regarding not just immigrants, but even those born here but obviously from immigrant parents or grandparents etc.
I've got a Dutch mate who I've known for 30 years through DJ'ing and record selling and he's very vocal about things he struggles with as he's married to a lady who moved over to The Netherlands from Goa. He's been in trouble for fighting at work a couple of times over defending his wife's and his mixed race kids ethnicity.
Back on topic ish, I've in-laws in Florida they recently relocated to places I'm unfamiliar with (Sarasota and Naples) and much the same as you, I can't talk politics with them as they are hardcore Republicans, huge hunting nuts and massive racists who all constantly brag about how cheap their immigrant workers are yet they all constantly moan about immigrants taking over the US and how they should all be kicked out. They firmly believe theUS should be white American only yet if I asked if they would be happy if they lost their staff they say no because they wouldn't make as much if they had to pay qualified US workers and would struggle to find workers who would do as many hours or have the experience. But I have no doubt they would treat anyone the same regardless so it all boils down to money at the end of the day.
Seing as 70% of those on HB-1 visas are from India, that's probably why more is made of the racial aspect, but I have no doubt if a boss or company is exploiting its workers they wouldn't care what colour or religion someone is, just how much they could gain from the people they exploit.
All my clients are in tech. Fraud happens there too. Just at smaller scale and not at big tech
Revan worked for feckin Meta or someone like that, you couldn't find a less representative person to listen to.
Which of the two is it ?
Someone like that.
Tenured faculty used to be absolutely untouchable - and they still are, in every topic outside Israel.
The US collective ruling class - political, media, academic, whatever- with support of large parts of the public, has long agreed that Israel is more important than the First Amendment. This past year, just as their collective commitment to participate in genocide became more clear to the rest of us, so has their collective commitment to end academic free speech over Israel.
The US collective ruling class - political, media, academic, whatever- with support of large parts of the public, has long agreed that Israel is more important than the First Amendment. This past year, just as their collective commitment to participate in genocide became more clear to the rest of us, so has their collective commitment to end academic free speech over Israel.
I guess this could go here..?
