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Yes. Also, they did not have any particular demands, they only do not want McCarthy. So, if they change their position now, they will just seem weak.

I think that sooner or later they will all agree to vote for someone else. I mean the Republicans themselves. The political climate is too polarized to make a deal with the Dems.
The problem is that anyone the MAGA lot deem suitable is likely to be unacceptable to the rest
 
Good old Pete. Each time I see him he’s calm and answer the questions asked, but takes no shit either.
You’d think fox would know better by now :lol:
 
This wasn't all that unexpected, yes, i know gerrymandering and voter suppression is part of the reason, but perhaps the american people should stop rewarding the republican party for screwing everything up? Wild idea, i know.
 
This wasn't all that unexpected, yes, i know gerrymandering and voter suppression is part of the reason, but perhaps the american people should stop rewarding the republican party for screwing everything up? Wild idea, i know.
In this case it is not, cause both parties did it equally. GOP won 50.6% of votes, and control 50.9% of seats. So the number of seats corresponds almost precisely to the number of votes they won. It is almost a mirror image of last elections when Dems controlled 50.9% of seats with 50.8% of votes. And if you go in 2018, Dems controlled 54.14% of seats with 53.4% of votes. You have to go back to 2016, when votes and seats didn't correspond (GOP had 55.4% of seats with 49.1% of votes). In the last 3 elections though, gerrymandering was not a problem.

Or to be more precise, Dems started doing it in scale and now the majority of seats are safe, and it balances what GOP was doing.

Agree with the main point. GOP suck balls, and people should not vote those cretins. They know only to obstruct, but cannot govern at all.
 
In this case it is not, cause both parties did it equally. GOP won 50.6% of votes, and control 50.9% of seats. So the number of seats corresponds almost precisely to the number of votes they won. It is almost a mirror image of last elections when Dems controlled 50.9% of seats with 50.8% of votes. And if you go in 2018, Dems controlled 54.14% of seats with 53.4% of votes. You have to go back to 2016, when votes and seats didn't correspond (GOP had 55.4% of seats with 49.1% of votes). In the last 3 elections though, gerrymandering was not a problem.

Or to be more precise, Dems started doing it in scale and now the majority of seats are safe, and it balances what GOP was doing.

Agree with the main point. GOP suck balls, and people should not vote those cretins. They know only to obstruct, but cannot govern at all.

I disagree that gerrymandering is not a large part of this. Part of the issue is that many of the most extreme members of the GOP are emboldened by the knowledge that their districts are so heavily gerrymandered that there is no way they could lose their election. MTG can run around talking about Jewish space lasers and trolling school shooting victims and she still won 66% of the vote. There are no consequences for horrific behavior and so the traditional levers used to hold extremism in check no longer work, and this is the result.
 
You know what has crossed my mind today. Nothing can happen till a speaker is elected, as all the rules of the house have been reset as of jan 3rd, and also of jan 3rd thanks to 20th amendment all the terms of the previous congress have expired, so nobody is a currently a congressman , and can become a congress man till a speaker is elected, so how the heck can these members elect , vote in the house if they arent swore in to the house yet :lol: . Im sure there is an answer but it feels like the Genius' of 1787 didnt think this entirely through.
 
You know what has crossed my mind today. Nothing can happen till a speaker is elected, as all the rules of the house have been reset as of jan 3rd, and also of jan 3rd thanks to 20th amendment all the terms of the previous congress have expired, so nobody is a currently a congressman , and can become a congress man till a speaker is elected, so how the heck can these members elect , vote in the house if they arent swore in to the house yet :lol: . Im sure there is an answer but it feels like the Genius' of 1787 didnt think this entirely through.
Seems like it is a self determined work around...

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...e-speaker-before-taking-their-oath-of-office/
 
yeh according to the CRS :lol: ... sounds like ...well this shit makes no sense so we will make up something and rubber stamp it
It's a, kinda hilarious, case of circular failure. The Houses own rules state that the Speaker must be chosen before members can be sworn in, those rules can be changed, but only once a Speaker has been chosen.
 
This may not age well


There’s a bit of quiet out loud going on here.

Most politicians try to claim the centre and declare anyone to the left or right of then as radicals.

Rapey McForehead is conceding that a candidate from the centre is not an acceptable choice and it needs to be a radical candidate.
 
It's a, kinda hilarious, case of circular failure. The Houses own rules state that the Speaker must be chosen before members can be sworn in, those rules can be changed, but only once a Speaker has been chosen.

what came first ...the chicken or the egg :lol:
 
Democrats should make an offer to McCarthy. I could think of all kinds of ways that a moderate majority would work. Maybe it needs a little while more to fester and ooze
 
Democrats should make an offer to McCarthy. I could think of all kinds of ways that a moderate majority would work. Maybe it needs a little while more to fester and ooze

If he loses again today, I think that may be on the table since it would prove there's no path for him to become Speaker without Dem support.

There are apparently a handful of Republicans who have left town, so there's no way McCarthy wins today.
 
If he loses again today, I think that may be on the table since it would prove there's no path for him to become Speaker without Dem support.
The prize could be huge, and worth some concessions. Long term it could serve to isolate the Republican rebels- make anti democratic forces toxic for the public. Sell it to liberals in this way
 
The prize could be huge, and worth some concessions. Long term it could serve to isolate the Republican rebels- make anti democratic forces toxic for the public. Sell it to liberals in this way

That would be a best case scenario for all parties except the 20 or so hard right insurgents. The winners would be McCarthy, public perceptions of bipartisanship, most Republicans who aren't in the extremist caucus, all Dems since they would likely get major concessions from McCarthy in exchange for their votes. The losers would be the crazy caucus. It makes so much sense that it may not happen.
 
That would be a best case scenario for all parties except the 20 or so hard right insurgents. The winners would be McCarthy, public perceptions of bipartisanship, most Republicans who aren't in the extremist caucus, all Dems since they would likely get major concessions from McCarthy in exchange for their votes. The losers would be the crazy caucus. It makes so much sense that it may not happen.
It will never happen because the GOP base would make sure every single Republican who voted with the Dems for McCarthy lost a primary. The entire base wants to own the libs, not join them.
 
What is the math for Jeffries to win? If 10-15 republicans walk out doesn't that reduce the overall number needed?
 
What is the math for Jeffries to win? If 10-15 republicans walk out doesn't that reduce the overall number needed?

He needs 218 and has been getting around 212.

I believe 5 or so Republicans are out today for personal reasons. Although I would be shocked if the Rs don't somehow recognize the numbers and allow Jeffries to win.