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Do you know any of these women who have multiple abortions as if it were nothing or are you just speculating that they exist?
Because in countries where abortion is legal the education usually does exist and the counselling that goes along with any decision to terminate a pregnancy is lengthy and certainly stresses the health and emotional risks to the woman and would encourage them to think very carefully about going through with it as well as helping them prevent future unwanted pregnancies.
The women you speak of do exist but ironically they are almost exclusively in countries that ban contraception and abortion on religious or political grounds and generally see women as chattels. The one woman i know who had undergone 7 abortions throughout her life was in Ceaucescu's Romania and had 4 very happy kids and a loving husband but had during her life aborted 3 babies due to rape (by relatives in all 3 cases) and had undergone 4 more after they realised they could not afford nor fit any more children into their small concrete box. She was a very good nurse and carer in an orphanage that was bursting at the seams with kids abandoned on the state by mothers who could not care for them and given what she saw in there on a daily basis made an incredibly hard decision to try to ensure she never saw a child of her own suffer in that hellhole. She didn't need educating, judging or condemning and was delighted to help distribute the tens of thousands of condoms we had smuggled in with the aid material we took to the orphanage.
You've lost me. You asked why being against gay marriage isn't disqualifying. The vast majority of American conservative are against gay marriage.
I know, and in my opinion most American conservatives are unfit to run for office.
No arguments there but as we know. America is not a normal country.
Given your dislike of perceived crocodile tears you must have loathed Kavanaugh's testimony.
His momentary broken voice on the edge of crying was more believable than her several minute long wimpering without tears.
#Beers4tears
Kavanaugh's was like a drunk bipolar gremlin on crack.
Someone was faking crying in that hearing, and it wasn't her.
You see, generally, when I've cried water falls out of my face. Ford blubbered for minutes and...nothing. It was faked!
Your bias is showing. There was nothing fake about her emotions. And people can cry without tears, you dolt. Imagine being a grown person and having to look for tears to determine whether emotions are real or not. Again, you come off as a sociopath.
I don’t think anyone thinks abortion is a nice thing.
But I agree with the rest. Education is key, but somehow making it more difficult for women to abort is straight up moronic.
I don't have a bias. I'm telling it as I saw it. I've never seen anyone cry for that long without tears so I'm calling her out on it!
With your obvious talent in reading body language I can only assume you're a dentist.
What do you mean with education? As far as I’m concerned, the only education that should happen here, is a simple explanation of possible side effects. That’s it. Nothing else should happen. If a woman wants an abortion, she should get it.
Who made you the authority on crying? Your posts concerning Ford have been really weird, if not downright silly.
My mate Timmy told me he can bench 200, but Ive never seen anyone bench that much. Im calling him out right.now!
I'm just giving my view that while Kavanaugh's emotion was what I associate with actual near crying. He had to stop and compose himself. You can come to your own conclusions about what that means as it proves nothing other than it was real.
Ford's was not realistic. That's just my opinion...doesn't mean I don't believe her it means I believe she was acting and well coached.
What on earth does it mean to cry realistically?
Well, she can't have been well coached if you saw right through it.
Do you live in a world where you've never seen people upset and crying?
Good grief
It is quite amazing how so many people seem to live in communities where they've never seen people upset and crying. Incredible!
No. I live in a world where I don't imagine I know exactly what any given person looks like when they cry. And especially under extremely alien circumstances.
You think I'm 100% saying for certain it was faked. I'm just giving my opinion on what I saw. Am I right? Maybe, but don't take me too seriously!
It's quite ironic that you think the problem is that it's us who can't identify real emotions, guy who falls far crocodile tears.
Innit!
Every normal person knows the correct way of crying, the rules about length vs amount of tears per second are well known and documented. Surely it is common knowledge that once you cry for over a few minutes, it's fake.
Buuuut wait, why didnt the evil dems coaching her not tell her that?
I was just being sure. I’ve had this discussion so many times and many people actually mean quite different things, when they say stuff like that. As far as I’m concerned, a woman should be able to go to a doctor, have a little talk about the actual risks (not some made up shit) and get it over with. Abortions should be as simple and easy to get as possible.Well, I mean exactly that, but maybe I didn’t express it too well
Whilst I am no expert and I don't doubt the expertise that your PHD in crying validity has given you: the only person who I'm doubting has seen people upset and crying in this thread is you. Do you really think all people express emotions such as upset in entirely the same way?
You're trying very hard to argue that she was faking it, based on the fact that there were no tears. Tears are common when crying, but their absence does not mean the person crying is faking it. You question whether any of us have seen anyone upset, yet you've got the extremely simplistic notion that "real sad=tears".
So you're saying Brett was fake crying? how do you know how any single person cries? You are showing clear bias here.
So it looks like we have a conclusion. As nobody can tell for sure who was and wasn't crying we give them the benefit of the doubt. both were really crying and showing their true emotions.
Accept for Brett (crocodile tears )Kavanaugh .
Problem's in the context though. When you say waaahhhh I almost never drank in college waahhhhh, only for about 20 people to come out and say, who Brett? Ya he was a very heavy drinker, prolific puker too!
You have to admit, that's a bit sketchy. I mean drinking in college is fine, but why'd you lie about it.
Doesnt mean he raped her, but it at least could be an argument to, just for the sake of immaculacy of the institution and blahblah, er on the safe side and not appoint the guy.
You have to admit, that's a bit sketchy. I mean drinking in college is fine, but why'd you lie about it.
Doesnt mean he raped her, but it at least could be an argument to, just for the sake of immaculacy of the institution and blahblah, er on the safe side and not appoint the guy.
The specific bit I'm talking about is -
at 1:37
He's genuinely upset in my eyes. Bit cheesy but seems real to me. Like I said, proves nothing though.
As John Oliver pointed out, he also had the broken voice about weighlifting and calendars, most notably in relation to looking at calendars with his dad, a "tradition" that given the dates Kavanagh said himself could only possibly have even started when Kavanagh was in his mid-teens.
"Look my teenage son, it's my calendar that I started filling in last year"
*voice breaks*
Ofcourse he's upset. His emberrasing past is dug up for everyone to see. It sucks!
My bad, crocodile tears were the wrong choice of words. There weren't actually any tears coming from Kavanaugh's eyes. Which actually means that tears or the absence thereof can't have been what left you with you impressions of the two of them. So you're calling Dr. Ford out for getting emotional without tears, while talking about how real Kavanaugh's tearless emotions seems to you. Seems a tad inconsistent.So you're saying Brett was fake crying? how do you know how any single person cries? You are showing clear bias here.