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https://www.newsweek.com/league-sou...a-language-page-donald-trump-vladimir-1035916
SOUTHERN NATIONALIST GROUP CREATES RUSSIAN LANGUAGE WEBSITE PAGE TO FOSTER RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE 'TWO NATURAL ALLIES'
The League of The South, an organization described by analysts as a neo-confederate hate group, has launched a Russian language page on their website to explore shared ideas on "Southern nationalism."
"We understand that the Russian people and Southerners are natural allies in blood, culture, and religion," Michael Hill, the league's president, wrote in a letter addressed to "our Russian friends." The note was published online on July 17 - a day after President Donald Trump met with, and praised, Russian leader Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, Finland.
The Alabama-based group defines itself as a "Southern nationalist organization", with chapters in 16 states, committed to preserving white, Christian culture. But it has been called a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks white nationalists and other domestic threats.
The letter posted by the group says that the South and Russia are "two natural allies" against threats of globalism and mass migration. "As fellow Whites of northern European extraction, we come from the same general gene pool. As inheritors of the European cultural tradition, we share similar values, customs, and ways of life. And as Christians, we worship the same Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and our common faith binds us as brothers and sisters," Hill wrote.
Hill encourages the two groups to "take advantage of the climate of increasing trust and friendship between us" and believes that the creation of a Russian language page is the first step in that direction.
The organization's announcement arrived shortly after President Trump controversially boasted of a warm relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin, despite nearly-universally accepted evidence that Russia, at Putin's behest, interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
At a one-on-one meeting in Helsinki, Finland, last week Trump said he sided with Putin over the assessment of interference made by his own intelligence agencies. He said that he didn't see "any reason why it would be" Russia, and that Putin was "extremely strong and powerful in his denial." He later said that he had meant the opposite, but had mis-spoken.
Shortly after the summit with Putin in Finland, Trump tweeted that he looked forward to their next meeting and has told his administration to formally invite the Russian leader to Washington later this year.
Analysts say that there is a growing alliance between Russia, white nationalists, and the movement that propelled President Trump to power.
"The current Russian government, which is a very important government, cites figures who are unambiguously fascist and Nazi," historian Timothy Snyder said in a recent interview with Public Books.
"This is an extreme example of a general trend: Steve Bannon cites Julius Evola," Snyder said, speaking of an Italian writer linked to fascism, "Donald Trump speaks of “America First,” and so on. There’s been a kind of renaissance of the 1930s which has crept up on us."
SOUTHERN NATIONALIST GROUP CREATES RUSSIAN LANGUAGE WEBSITE PAGE TO FOSTER RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE 'TWO NATURAL ALLIES'
The League of The South, an organization described by analysts as a neo-confederate hate group, has launched a Russian language page on their website to explore shared ideas on "Southern nationalism."
"We understand that the Russian people and Southerners are natural allies in blood, culture, and religion," Michael Hill, the league's president, wrote in a letter addressed to "our Russian friends." The note was published online on July 17 - a day after President Donald Trump met with, and praised, Russian leader Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, Finland.
The Alabama-based group defines itself as a "Southern nationalist organization", with chapters in 16 states, committed to preserving white, Christian culture. But it has been called a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks white nationalists and other domestic threats.
The letter posted by the group says that the South and Russia are "two natural allies" against threats of globalism and mass migration. "As fellow Whites of northern European extraction, we come from the same general gene pool. As inheritors of the European cultural tradition, we share similar values, customs, and ways of life. And as Christians, we worship the same Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and our common faith binds us as brothers and sisters," Hill wrote.
Hill encourages the two groups to "take advantage of the climate of increasing trust and friendship between us" and believes that the creation of a Russian language page is the first step in that direction.
The organization's announcement arrived shortly after President Trump controversially boasted of a warm relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin, despite nearly-universally accepted evidence that Russia, at Putin's behest, interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
At a one-on-one meeting in Helsinki, Finland, last week Trump said he sided with Putin over the assessment of interference made by his own intelligence agencies. He said that he didn't see "any reason why it would be" Russia, and that Putin was "extremely strong and powerful in his denial." He later said that he had meant the opposite, but had mis-spoken.
Shortly after the summit with Putin in Finland, Trump tweeted that he looked forward to their next meeting and has told his administration to formally invite the Russian leader to Washington later this year.
Analysts say that there is a growing alliance between Russia, white nationalists, and the movement that propelled President Trump to power.
"The current Russian government, which is a very important government, cites figures who are unambiguously fascist and Nazi," historian Timothy Snyder said in a recent interview with Public Books.
"This is an extreme example of a general trend: Steve Bannon cites Julius Evola," Snyder said, speaking of an Italian writer linked to fascism, "Donald Trump speaks of “America First,” and so on. There’s been a kind of renaissance of the 1930s which has crept up on us."
Won't be surprised if they have received some Ruble.
So all Russians are ethnically pure whites, are they? Not what I'd claim.
“The non-white Russians are not real Russians though”
Independents are idiots...there, I said it.
I'd like somebody to explain to me just how a democrat gets one of Trumps base supporters to vote for them.
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You'd have to be like Conor Lamb, who swung his heavily pro-Trump district (+19) towards the Dems. His formula was to basically market himself as a Rino. Ex-military (Marine captain), pro 2nd amendment, pro-life (but politically pro-choice), and a look like he's from central casting. That sort of approach obviously only works in conservative districts where Trump easily won by double digits.
So how do you get Dems to vote for somebody like that then?
In Lamb's case he is the Dem so they would probably support him if it was a choice between him and some right wing Republican. This would (imo) only work in congressional districts and less statewide where the demographics are different. Each candidate therefore has to evaluate the most realistic path to winning in their respective district or state. What worked for Lamb and Doug Jones wouldn't work for Ocasio-Cortez and Jackie Rosen and vice versa.
I'm talking POTUS. All this talk about dems need to do this and that to win. Fact is there is a large group of people who will never vote for a dem and I think it's getting bigger.
For POTUS - Strong base turnout and strong showing among independents. One or the other won't be enough, you have to have both. The hardcore Trump fans are obviously not going to be swayed since they get their news from Fox.
Right, so calling them deplorable matters not.
You're assuming the deplorable tag is only applicable to hardcore Trump supporters. It can easily be interpreted as applying to anyone who is casually interested in Trump because they don't like Hillary. It was a really dumb move on her part.
Same can also be said in the other direction though - demographic changes generally favour the Dems, and a lot of older GOP/Trump supporters will die off.
The myth of old repubs is annoying. Look at the age of the chino'd tiki-torcher nazis at that rally.
There are plenty of young neo-nazi types but statistically speaking more older people voted for Trump compared to the young, by a reasonable distance.
Fox has the oldest viewers. Not coincidentally, it is also happens to be Trump's go to propaganda vehicle.
https://qz.com/738346/fox-newss-big...er-its-that-its-average-viewer-is-a-dinosaur/
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It's gonna be difficult. What we need to understand is that no matter whether you're from New York City or a remote Alabama, as an American your problems are almost the same. Lack of affordable healthcare, lack of a decent living wage, protection for unions, etc. These are things that resonate with almost every voter no matter where you're located within the 50 states. The problem is that as soon as you're going down that road, some right wing nutjob jump up and says "Yeah, but you believe in abortions and wanna kill babies!" It all goes downhill from there.
That group is people is getting smaller by the generation.
Trump voter admits she got it wrong after ICE deports her daughter-in-law
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/im-ashamed-trump-voter-admits-got-wrong-ice-deports-daughter-law/
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/im-ashamed-trump-voter-admits-got-wrong-ice-deports-daughter-law/
I'm not entirely sure that is true. From this, it looks like conservatives are staying the same generation after generation
I'm not entirely sure that is true. From this, it looks like conservatives are staying the same generation after generation
So...only 17% or so considered themselves as liberal in the 90s ?
Depends on how credible you consider Gallup's polling I suppose
I find the numbers highly suspect. 17% seems very low.
17% sounds believable to me. In 1992, none of Bush, Perot or Clinton were really liberal or campaigned on liberal policy after all.
But honestly I wouldn't be too surprised if that number was anywhere between 10-25%. Self-identified descriptions are never going to be all that accurate. I knew people that would have answered liberal, conservative or moderate to such a simplistic question depending on their mood or the day of the week.
No doubt the US was a center right country back then, but 17% seems almost farcically low, especially after Dukakis (an actual liberal) won over 45% of the popular vote in 88 and had a double digit lead over GHWB after the conventions.
I knew people that voted Dukakis that would have self-identified as moderate or even conservative though. People that self-identified in polls pre-internet age are not really the same range of people as the partisans that very vocally represent themselves as liberal or conservative on the internet these days.
Not as many were willing to call themselves liberal back then. For instance, a lot of the iconoclasts wouldn't have used liberal to describe themselves. I still wouldn't self-identify as liberal to a pollster even though I clearly support some very progressive policies for example.
One guess for where the tax cut savings have gone?
I'm not entirely sure that is true. From this, it looks like conservatives are staying the same generation after generation
Should (as always) be noted though that what's considered conservative will often shift over time. For as much as the GOP have largely gone off the deep-end, I'd imagine they're at least partially more accepting of LGBT rights than they were back then. Or, if they're not, they understand there's not the political will to change things significantly without fear of major backlash.
That's a good point. A person might have the exact same beliefs but describe themself in different terms in 1992 and 2018. Especially now we see how Trump is re-writing the boundary lines.
This is why I like more nuanced systems descriptions. Even the simple two axis system can yield a lot more useful information:
Just using the two axis and we now get the social liberal/economic conservative (typically tech industry/Silicon Valley neo-libertarians) and the social conservative/economic liberal type (many religious "moderates" in the midwest states that Obama won and then Trump won).
How some of those people might answer a pollster asking if they lean just "liberal, conservative or moderate" is probably going to change depending on the current political climate and which other issues are emphasized by the pollster.
Part of the problem. It’s fine to feck people of as long as they don’t know ‘em, but as soon as it’s family it’s a problem? Do these people need something like that to realize ICE breaks up loving families and doesnt just deport heavily tattood psychotic mass kurdering gang members?
Good for her that she realizes she waswrong. Disqualify yourself from any and all future elections asa voter and kindly feck of to a little house on a dezerted island I say.
Also an undocumented immigrant voting for Trump is like a scouser voting to keep playing Karius.
SBC's bit with Sarah Palin has not aired yet. Supposed to be funny as well.
https://fair.org/home/action-alert-its-been-over-a-year-since-msnbc-has-mentioned-us-war-in-yemen/
Some Matrix level dodging there. But some things are just accepted as a natural state of things. Like the sun rising in the morning.
Some Matrix level dodging there. But some things are just accepted as a natural state of things. Like the sun rising in the morning.
Surprised that this got no coverage on mainstream media but i suppose he is not Putin. Netanyahu is manipulating Trump into a possible war with Iran.
And yet that was not what she said the when she made that comment.
This is a very very common problem in America in general. Many people seem to be incapable or unwilling to think that while something may not affect you now, it will others and/or it could be you down the road. The whole concept of "social thinking" - (which is not the same as socialism you crazy bastards) is completely lost on people. If shit happens to you, well then you probably deserve it and if you try to push for things that benefit others well then feck you because it's all about me. I know people like that aren't exclusive to the US but it seems we often have a heck of a lot more of them here than in most other places.