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Are you, Yannick Noah ?
If the players in your list were as good as you seem to think they are then people would know about them even if they don't watch other leagues. I knew about Hazard long before he joined Chelsea even though I don't watch the French league.
They can. Sure your beloved BWP scores more in the MLS than he ever did in League 1.
Dam you, that was the comeback I was going to use.
I made the comment about League One because that's where Bradley Wright Phillips was playing before going to New York. And his goalscoring record was actually worse in League One.
I also damn you @limerickcitykid
I think everyone knew Hazard before he joined Chelsea, he was a superstar for Lille - so that isn't much of a brag, i would expect football enthusiasts to know the likes of Destro ( who played well against us in pre-season) , Icardi,Eriksen,Koke,Mario Suarez,Moutinho etc these are players that feature for their respective teams, i don't know i guess watching multiple leagues is unpopular amongst fans.
You can also add the likes of Shawcross, Zieler, Januzaj, Daehli, Wilson, Brown, O'Shea, and possibly Pique and Rossi. Then if you are counting the likes of BWP, others like Brady, Richardson, Campbell, Healy etc count too.
I think that would be a bit tenuous since we signed them both when they were 17. Although a quick google there revealed that there is one days difference between them in age. Interesting.
But yeah, the inclusion of players like BWP is still silly anyway. A good portion of that list is not top talent in any way, shape or form, and that includes some of the ones on our list too.
I wasn't trying to brag, I was disputing your assumption that the players in your list only aren't rated because people don't watch other leagues. If they were as good as you seem to think then people would know them.
He sure did, i mean i guess anything is better than Welbeck's 1 goal season in 27 EPL appearances(2012/13).
Bradley Wright Phillips' PL record is 2 goals in 32 games for City.As far as i'm concerned 80% of the players on that list should be well known by Football fans, which was actually the point but i guess some people ignored the majority and chose to criticise the lesser known players or the average players.
Because I'm not disputing that some of the teams' records are a lot better than ours, I'm only disagreeing about a few teams so I'm obviously going to focus on the players from those teams.
You used the word top talents. In a worldwide sense, since it's major clubs, players like Cleverley and Fabio are not top talents. In fact, I'd say the only one out of our list that qualifies as a top talent is Pogba. Nor are the likes of Guidetti and Kasper Schmeichel, and even Stephen Ireland who hasn't built on his early successes with City. Sergi Roberto and Tello aren't really top talents, nor are a good few in some of the other teams there.
Unless we have widely varying definitions of what top talent is.
A 19 year old BWP to be specific. Baffles me how you turned this into a BWP vs Welbeck debate - out of all the players listed (probably up to 60) BWP was singled out? or did i not also mention the likes of Pedro,Icardi,Soldado.
How about you mention the players you are disputing then
I don't get what everyone's problem with Di Maria on the wing is ? He is a world class winger and United have a collection of poor ones and some good central players. He should be played on the wing.
Wouldn't he have spent more time in the Premier League if he is as good as you think though? Even the season before he joined New York he had to go to Brentford on loan because he couldn't get games in the Championship. Hardly the mark of a top talent.
That's what I have been doing the whole time!
The point of the list was to highlight the top talents produced by other teams in the last decade and i listed at least 2 top talents produced by each team, the rest of the players on the list are either prospects like Tello and Sergi Roberto or players similar to Darren Fletcher such as Stephen Ireland who have had solid seasons in key roles for their teams. Ultimately the bigger picture was to show how even City have produced D.Sturridge from their academy, despite not believing in youth but our famed academy hasn't been able to produce a top talent excluding Pogba of course.
Dunno how "unpopular" an opinion it is, but I think one of Moyes's biggest mistakes was offering Rooney a bumper new deal rather than fecking him off out the door like he should have been.
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I think LVG should sign BWP to replace RVP.
unpopular opinion: If Mancini hadn't gone insane and basically begged to be sacked (Lescott on as a striker anyone?, tinkering with a 3-5-2 when the winning formula from the previous season was plain to see?) and injuries, and a BPL Champions hangover from the year before intervened.. Not even SAF's brilliance and RVP's scintillating form would've prevented us from seeing the deficiencies in our side. City should've walked the league. And made obvious to all the flaws in our side. All this, "Moyes inherited a Champion side" nonsense would have been dismissed summarily as a result.
A hell of a lot conditions
But the bloody truth. Imagine an Arsebal side without conditions all these years.
Januzaj's performances last season were ridiculously overrated, I would've liked to see Nani given that amount of game time last year.
I've mentioned that before, not quite as blatantly though. Got shouted down by the Januzaj crowd for it and daring to speak against the lad.
It was a horror season in which he was the only ray of hope. A distinct element of promise despite the failings of all around him. De Gea aside obviously. Yet the reality is that he only scored 4 goals, 2 of which came vs Sunderland and won the game but ultimately his other goals had no effect (2nd goal vs West Ham in a 3-1 win and the 4th in a 4-0 win vs Newcastle).
I appreciate 4 goals is still a decent return for a debut season of a lad his age but the way he's been lauded for it ever since is like he's a god send who must be given time and tried over and over again despite some utter dross performances littered generally all throughout 2014. He's struggling and in every position he's tried in he's at the very most, our 4th best option right now (AM - JM, ADM, WR, I'd then argue AH over AJ personally but can see some would counter it).
He may well turn it around and produce the goods in the future (I hope he does) but there's no doubting in my mind that he was/is overrated until he proves otherwise. Sterling, he is not.
This has become quite popular, Januzan has supposedly turned into a mediocre player since LVG.
We won 89 points matey! And only three from the matches against City.
A lot of people don't seem to realize that just because one team may have more quality then another or another team has a lot of flaws, that it doesn't mean they would win the title no matter what the other team did. We got 89 points that year, and the year before and were unlucky not to have won it in 11/12. I don't care if our squad was weak overall or it had holes in it, we were well worth the title and were (mentality wise) better then anyone else in world football, let alone just the premier league. To have a team with those players walk the league and outperform Real madrid over 2 legs only to have the ref cheat us out of the next round.
Exactly! It seems now clear that the team wasn't as strong as we all thought (and wished) that it was, but still it was a very good team, with great mentality guided by the master. We would have won that title, regardless of how well City were. In fact, I think that we might have broken the points record if an another team would have pushed us. If I am not mistaken, we lost many easy points after we mathematically secured the title. That probably wouldn't have happened if the title wasn't safe (especially considering the feeling and the 'experience' we got from the season before that).
Not sure how you can judge that without being part of the squad. From an outside view though, that's clearly a nonsensical claim.
A lot of people have short memories, Adnan was great last season.
He wasn't as bad as some are making him out to be, but he certainly wasn't great last season. Luis Suarez was great last season. David Silva was great last season. Daniel Sturridge was great last season. Yaya Toure was great last season. Steve Gerrard was great last season. Adnan Januzaj was not great.
Adnan Januzaj, as an eighteen year old breaking into Manchester United's side, was great last season.
Well I mean, with Fergie, to have the mentality to win game after game and achieve 85, 89 and 89 points in his last 4 seasons while using the players we did so often, it really is a great achievement. Yeah, it's basically just guess work, but how else could you explain it? Between 2006 and 2009 with Ronaldo when our dominance began, we had a truly great team and squad, but it gradually got worse and just turned into a team who just knew how to win, even if we weren't actually that great talent wise. So many players that season underperformed (in fergie's last year), yet because of 4 key players pretty much, we won the title a good distance ahead of the others getting a points total which would have won it pretty much any other year.
Should return to the late seventies/early eighties rule of no more than three foreigners per side. Yes, it might lead to the Championshipisation of the Premier league but it will hugely reinvigorate young supporter interest as well as the buzz around the national team.
I think Rojo will be in the top 5 defenders in the world in 2/3 years!!
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