Why are you mentioning Ramos ?
And there is actually only Lyon who surpasses them. But Ajax is very good.
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Why are you mentioning Ramos ?
And there is actually only Lyon who surpasses them. But Ajax is very good.
this might just become a popular opinion in March
Bertrand has been comfortably better than him this season, would be tempted to say Clichy as well. I just see a good fullback being played on the wrong side with Azpilicueta
Aah Cheesy mentioned it, Lyon hardly surpasses Ajax mate, not at all tbf.
Fecking hell
We signed him to assure ourselves that we were still in the big leagues, just think about that for a moment.
Madrid bought Ramos when he was 19 for around 20m.
Januzaj unless played as a 10 wont become a star player for us and Mata should have never been signed because of him.
Aldeweireld is the best defender in the prem and we should buy him
If Allegri was coaching our team with this current personnel we'd be challenging for the title.
RVP is more a hindrance than an asset at this point in his career.
Carrick should be a starter anymore for us and a better long term replacement than Blind is needed.
Hazard is better than Sanchez
Aldeweireld is the best defender in the prem and we should buy him
If Allegri was coaching our team with this current personnel we'd be challenging for the title.
RVP is more a hindrance than an asset at this point in his career.
Carrick should be a starter anymore for us and a better long term replacement than Blind is needed.
Hazard is better than Sanchez
So they did, got that one wrong.
That might just be belong in the mental posts thread.Fecking hell
We signed him to assure ourselves that we were still in the big leagues, just think about that for a moment.
How many of the top teams are churning out top talent consistently anyway?
Agreed... sort of. I wouldn't phrase it like that (I definitely wouldn't use the word 'assure'), but I'd say it was a very convenient marquee, 'big name' signing. One that Woodward (more than anyone) felt we needed.
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Yep, it's pretty obvious. There is a huge scandal waiting to happen in football.
Barca and Spain did start to struggle once Eufemiano Fuentes was arrested. I'm guessing most top teams are at it though, Barca/ Spain is just the most obvious.
Is that the case where the judge ordered for a bunch of blood samples to be destroyed or something? There is clearly stuff being hidden there. I think there is no doubt that top athletes of all sports take some sort of performance enhancing drugs.
That's the one. Spain just happened to get really good at football, tennis and cycling at the same time.
If we had a similar group of players as the 'class of 92' in our youth academy today, I'm not sure they would make it here.
When they came through, football wasn't the money driven business it is now and Fergie could afford to take a chance on them. Nowadays, we would risk immediately putting 4-5 youngsters into the first team frame. I'm not sure any top teams will be doing that sort of thing ever again.
I still think it's possible though if the players are talented enough, and you do it right. With us, the 4 genuine top quality ones we had (not counting Butt and Phil Neville in that since they weren't quite as good), didn't all just suddenly start playing at the same time.
By the mid 90's, when the others were coming through, Giggs was already well-established since he was a bit older and had been a figure in our team for a few years. Scholes and Neville played in 17 and 18 games respectively in 1994/1995, and continued to up it in that. Beckham only featured in a few in that season, in contrast, and spent some time on loan with Preston. They were all introduced gradually, and that's largely the case now.
Evans was generally backup for a while, for example, but then got some substantial runs in the team. Now, he's supposed to be one of our key defenders, but really hasn't filled the boots of the players we've lost at all. Cleverley had spent some time out on loan, but broke into the first team in 2011/2012 and was given plenty of chances. While injury ruined his good spell, he played plenty of games afterwards, but never justified a place in the way someone like Scholes gradually did. Welbeck, like Cleverley, spent some time out on loan and then came back, and featured heavily in the 2011/2012 season. He's different since he's fairly decent unlike Cleverley, and letting him go was a controversial decision to some, but even then he's nowhere near the standard of our great players.
Top youth players can still be developed. We've just not really had any for a long time, which is a bit worrying.
Plenty; in the last decade -
Real Madrid - Morata,Jese,Mata*,Soldado,Arbeloa,Carvajal,Diego Lopez,Javi Garcia,Callejon,Jurado
Barcelona - Messi,Pedro,Fabregas,Busquets,Pique*,Bojan,Icardi,Sergi Roberto,Thiago,Tello,Dos Santos etc
City -Shaun Wright-Phillips,Bradley Wright-Phillips,Daniel Sturridge,Kasper Schmeichel,Guidetti,Ireland.
Bayern - Emre Can,Muller,Hummels,Schweinsteiger,Badstuber,Alaba.
Ajax - Van Der Wiel,Vertonghen,Vermaelen,Van der vaart,Sneijder,De Jong,Emmanuelson,Blind*,Alderweireld,Babel,Eriksen.
Sporting-Ronaldo*,Nani*,Veloso,Moutinho,Simao,Quaresma,Fonte,Varela,Nuno Valente,Beto.
Juventus- Giovinco,Marchisio,Schillaci,Nocerino,De Ceglie.
Inter- Bonucci,Destro,Obafemi Martins,Pandev,Joel Obi,Juan Jesus.
Atletico- De Gea*,Koke,Camacho,Mario Suarez,Gabi.
PSG- Sakho,Mulumbu,Chantome,Cana,Rabiot.
Dortmund- Nuri Sahin,Reus,Grosskreutz,Gotze,Schmelzer.
Arsenal - A.Cole,Song,Wilsere,Clichy,Oxlade Chamberlain,Szczesny,Gibbs.
Manchester United -Fletcher,Welbeck,Fabio,Rafael,Cleverley,Evans,Pogba.
With the constant threads during the Moyes Era questioning our ability to lure world class players without qualifying for Europe, i would say those fans needed to be assured.
Are we having Bradley Wright-Phillips as a 'top talent' then?
I would like to think that a 28 goal season in 39 appearances would make any 29 year old a top player at least at the moment.
A lot on that list aren't any better than our list. Plus Arsenal paid over £10 million for Chamberlain, I don't think he should count for them.
Really? So would you consider Welbeck a top talent if he was to drop down two divisions and do exactly that?
You can also add the likes of Shawcross, Zieler, Januzaj, Daehli, Wilson, Brown, O'Shea, and possibly Pique and Rossi. Then if you are counting the likes of BWP, others like Brady, Richardson, Campbell, Healy etc count too.
wouldn't exactly rank the MLS 2 divisions lower than the EPL, and i don't think Danny Welbeck can actually score 25 goals in a season in the MLS.
I would.
If you are comparing Pogba then he is actually better than a lot of those players, if you are comparing the rest however, that is up for debate.
So BWP is better than Welbeck?
So you are saying Swindon Town would beat the Los Angeles Galaxy ? or Bristol City would beat the New York Red Bulls?
28 goals in 39 games doesn't lie. My mate fat Dave has scored 22 for the Dog and Bull so far this season, lethal he is, shits all over Welbeck.
Welbeck would score 28 goals in the MLS?
City, Juventus, Inter and PSG are no better than the list you gave for us. And some of the ones that @limerickcitykid listed should be on our list too if the likes of Stephen Ireland, Mulumbu and Jurado are counted.
I'm saying they would compete in the league.
Yes. The defence in the MLS is almost comical and Welbeck's pace and intelligence in runs would destroy them.
The fact you think BWP is better than Welbeck actually doesn't even deserve a reply.
Marchisio is not better than every one on our list except Pogba? Daniel Sturridge ? in the last 23 years in our academy how many graduates are as talented as Marchisio and Sturridge?
I mentioned BWP's amazing season MLS or not , you cannot quote me as saying he is better than Welbeck, i didn't go that far. The fact that he was singled out from 30 + players mentioned alienates the point.
I'm comparing the lists as a whole. Those two are obviously very good but no one else on either list is. Our list as a whole is better than them two. And PSG and Inter imo.
Some of the players on the list haven't been seen by a vast majority of EPL supporters - doesn't take anything away from their talents it just means people don't follow other leagues which i totally understand.
Baffles me that people actually believe the likes of Swindon Town and Bristol City can compete with the likes of LA Galaxy and Seattle Sounders
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