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You should read the Coleman thread. People are claiming things like it's not even a comparison and he is way better than Rafael. IMO there is nothing to choose between them at this stage although it can be argued that since Coleman has not had to actually play midweek matches more and has not had the opportunity to ply his trade in the CL, it cannot be said how he would then perform. People are claiming things as ridiculous as Coleman being so far ahead of Rafael that the Coleman of 2 years back had already reached the standards which Rafael has set. That is an insanely biased statement to make especially considering Rafael was arguably the best RB in the league 2 seasons back.

No they aren't.
 
You should read the Coleman thread. People are claiming things like it's not even a comparison and he is way better than Rafael. IMO there is nothing to choose between them at this stage although it can be argued that since Coleman has not had to actually play midweek matches more and has not had the opportunity to ply his trade in the CL, it cannot be said how he would then perform. People are claiming things as ridiculous as Coleman being so far ahead of Rafael that the Coleman of 2 years back had already reached the standards which Rafael has set. That is an insanely biased statement to make especially considering Rafael was arguably the best RB in the league 2 seasons back.

Not one person actually said that. Someone said the Coleman is now at the level that Rafael was at 2 years ago. You said that makes your head hurt.

You obviously rate Rafael as better of the two which is fine. I think theres not a lot between them. Coleman wins it on consistency and makes less mistakes. His "worst" is better Rafael's if that makes sense. As I said in the thread Coleman is only starting games in the premiership since 2010. Rafael is playing at a higher level a lot longer than him (2 full seasons).

"insanely biased" it certainly isnt. Coleman made the PFA team of season last year.
 
Not one person actually said that. Someone said the Coleman is now at the level that Rafael was at 2 years ago. You said that makes your head hurt.

You obviously rate Rafael as better of the two which is fine. I think theres not a lot between them. Coleman wins it on consistency and makes less mistakes. His "worst" is better Rafael's if that makes sense. As I said in the thread Coleman is only starting games in the premiership since 2010. Rafael is playing at a higher level a lot longer than him (2 full seasons).

"insanely biased" it certainly isnt. Coleman made the PFA team of season last year.

I may have misunderstood the statements which I quoted. But here it is and that is why I said that the bias is quite evident:

Coleman was probably as good as Rafael is now two years ago anyway.

Coleman is without doubt better than Rafael, but I'm no longer interested in that debate.


I read that as Coleman was as good as Rafael is currently, 2 years back itself. Maybe I got it wrong so perhaps you could correct me here but if I did get it right then it is a way over the top and exaggerated claim regarding both Rafael and Coleman.
 
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No they aren't.

These are the posts I read in the Coleman thread which caught my eye and that's why I posted what I did in this thread.

Coleman is without doubt better than Rafael, but I'm no longer interested in that debate.

There's not much more he can do to prove it really. Good for a goal too, these days.

Coleman was probably as good as Rafael is now two years ago anyway.

Now I agree we also have people who ridiculously underrate Coleman on this forum and that is perhaps a United bias speaking and kind of like a reaction to the posts I quoted above.
 
These are the posts I read in the Coleman thread which caught my eye and that's why I posted what I did in this thread.







Now I agree we also have people who ridiculously underrate Coleman on this forum and that is perhaps a United bias speaking and kind of like a reaction to the posts I quoted above.

"Without a doubt" is possibly a little strong but it's not the same as saying it's not even a comparison or that he is way better, just that he is better.

If you asked a random selection of 50 football fans of clubs other than United who is the better fullback, I suspect the results would be as conclusive as any opinion in that thread (whether the people responding are Irish or not).
 
"Without a doubt" is possibly a little strong but it's not the same as saying it's not even a comparison or that he is way better, just that he is better.

If you asked a random selection of 50 football fans of clubs other than United who is the better fullback, I suspect the results would be as conclusive as any opinion in that thread (whether the people responding are Irish or not).

Could well be. But I honestly feel that there is bias. I could be wrong on it and that's why I put it in this thread.
Also, "without a doubt" is quite strong when most on here would agree that there is little between the two. But the other quote where the poster claims
Coleman was probably as good as Rafael is now two years ago anyway. is what I was referring to when I mentioned about how it seems that Rafael is underrated and Coleman is given far more credit than he deserves according to me.
 
I know this is a very unpopular opinion but does anyone else think that Januzaj's lack of end product is shocking?

I'm not even talking about actual goals and assists (although that would obviously be nice) but a lack of even getting in threatening looking crosses / shots.
 
I know this is a very unpopular opinion but does anyone else think that Januzaj's lack of end product is shocking?

I'm not even talking about actual goals and assists (although that would obviously be nice) but a lack of even getting in threatening looking crosses / shots.
He could have 2 assists vs Chelsea, put up some good crosses vs West Brom too..
 
I know this is a very unpopular opinion but does anyone else think that Januzaj's lack of end product is shocking?

I'm not even talking about actual goals and assists (although that would obviously be nice) but a lack of even getting in threatening looking crosses / shots.

Januzaj is somewhat over-rated as a prospect imo.

But he's very young, he could turn out to be a great player, but could easily go the way of Bojan also.
 
I know this is a very unpopular opinion but does anyone else think that Januzaj's lack of end product is shocking?

I'm not even talking about actual goals and assists (although that would obviously be nice) but a lack of even getting in threatening looking crosses / shots.
I think erratic is a better description of his end product than shocking. He's generally very impressive at those slide rule passes behind the defence on to a runner like he demonstrated twice for van Persie against Chelsea and once setting Shaw through for a chance in the same game. He's actually done that quite a few times in different games, but when he's supplying a cross in a congested box or just looking for a pullback he can be very lacking I agree.
 
Januzaj is somewhat over-rated as a prospect imo.

But he's very young, he could turn out to be a great player, but could easily go the way of Bojan also.
Yeah I'm not writing him off, just needs to add end product quickly, like Sterling has done.
 
Paul Scholes is the best football player and the most influential in the history of Manchester United and one of the most underrated in the history of european football. He was the pilar of our success in the late 90's and mid/late 2000's, we had problems between 2004 and 2006 because of his eye problem, once he came back for the 2006/2007 season that was the peak of his carrer. Not starting him in the 2011 final was one of Fergie's most shocking decisions. Our football in general has suffered a lot since he first retired.
 
Paul Scholes is the best football player and the most influential in the history of Manchester United and one of the most underrated in the history of european football. He was the pilar of our success in the late 90's and mid/late 2000's, we had problems between 2004 and 2006 because of his eye problem, once he came back for the 2006/2007 season that was the peak of his carrer. Not starting him in the 2011 final was one of Fergie's most shocking decisions. Our football in general has suffered a lot since he first retired.
I wouldn't say that's a unpopular opinion, it's more a fact! The first part might be debatable but the rest is spot on.
 
I think erratic is a better description of his end product than shocking. He's generally very impressive at those slide rule passes behind the defence on to a runner like he demonstrated twice for van Persie against Chelsea and once setting Shaw through for a chance in the same game. He's actually done that quite a few times in different games, but when he's supplying a cross in a congested box or just looking for a pullback he can be very lacking I agree.

The only thing I don't like is that at times if we are attacking at pace on the counter that the ball gets to him and stops, He will do a couple of crazy leg faint moves and then that's the attack broken down, Suppose that all boils down to lack of pace. But apart from that he is a great talent and im looking forward to watching him develop.
 
The only part of it that i disagree with is saying Scholes is underrated. Pretty much everyone agrees he is the best English player of his generation, countless European players and managers have cited him as one of their favourite players / players they would most like to play alongside etc. So I would say he is correctly rated.
 
The only thing I don't like is that at times if we are attacking at pace on the counter that the ball gets to him and stops, He will do a couple of crazy leg faint moves and then that's the attack broken down, Suppose that all boils down to lack of pace. But apart from that he is a great talent and im looking forward to watching him develop.
Agreed, but I think people have to realise his limitations in that sense. He can shift, but isn't exactly blessed with blistering pace, so he isn't going to be a massive threat on the counter like di Maria is. I think in the long-run we will see him occupy a central role, but he hasn't done enough to command the #10 position as of yet, so for the foreseeable future he should play wide. Personally, I see a lot of his best work come from deep areas, so he clearly isn't an orthodox wide player.
 
I know this is a very unpopular opinion but does anyone else think that Januzaj's lack of end product is shocking?

I'm not even talking about actual goals and assists (although that would obviously be nice) but a lack of even getting in threatening looking crosses / shots.

I thought he was dreadful vs City. Clichy had a good game but he's a fullback who can be attacked, Januzaj didn't seem up to it at all, there was 1 moment where he could of ran at him and just passed it back to Valencia. I'd rather he had a go and lost the ball rather than just do something like that. He is only a kid though and will learn, probably didn't help him that we were so reliant on him last season.
 
I thought he was dreadful vs City. Clichy had a good game but he's a fullback who can be attacked, Januzaj didn't seem up to it at all, there was 1 moment where he could of ran at him and just passed it back to Valencia. I'd rather he had a go and lost the ball rather than just do something like that. He is only a kid though and will learn, probably didn't help him that we were so reliant on him last season.
I actually think he thrived on it.
If anything, I think being brought down to earth (so to speak) has had a negative impact on him.

He's gone from being the go to guy to being a more peripheral figure. Added to the Belgium situation, where he may or may not feel at home - I think he's a bit out of it, mentally.
I think he looks so good at U21 level due to the freedom/responsibility as much as the inferior opposition.

Just my guess.
 
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Agreed, but I think people have to realise his limitations in that sense. He can shift, but isn't exactly blessed with blistering pace, so he isn't going to be a massive threat on the counter like di Maria is. I think in the long-run we will see him occupy a central role, but he hasn't done enough to command the #10 position as of yet, so for the foreseeable future he should play wide. Personally, I see a lot of his best work come from deep areas, so he clearly isn't an orthodox wide player.

Yeah I agree in that I think he will eventually develop as more of a #10 then a winger, It's just a shame he didn't make more of his early opportunities in similar roles at the start of the season, but circumstances were against him at the time (wasn't fully fit, the team around him vs MK Dons etc.)

I think if Mata does in fact leave in Summer then for Januzaj that will be a fantastic opportunity to get chances at #10
 
I actually think he thrived on it.
If anything, I think being brought down to earth (so to speak) has had a negative impact on him.

He's gone from being the go to guy to being a more peripheral figure. Added to the Belgium situation, where he may or may not feel at home - I think he's a bit out of it, mentally.
I think he looks so good at U21 level due to the freedom as much as the inferior opposition.

Just my guess.

Yeah true could be a case where he enjoyed the responsibility. It did frustrate me Sunday though. I thought Kolorov getting injured was a massive advantage to us, turned out it did nothing. I wasn't to bothered when he came off where as last season I doubt would feel the same!

It is only his 2nd full season though so I'm not to worried, he'll progress with age.
 
Yeah I agree in that I think he will eventually develop as more of a #10 then a winger, It's just a shame he didn't make more of his early opportunities in similar roles at the start of the season, but circumstances were against him at the time (wasn't fully fit, the team around him vs MK Dons etc.)

I think if Mata does in fact leave in Summer then for Januzaj that will be a fantastic opportunity to get chances at #10
What's the point of having a nummer 10 if we have the most static attackers in the league, we play with no pace, with no dynamism, it's not a coincidence all our #no 10's tend to fail. Let him develop in a Silva kind of winger.
 
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Paul Scholes is the best football player and the most influential in the history of Manchester United and one of the most underrated in the history of european football. He was the pilar of our success in the late 90's and mid/late 2000's, we had problems between 2004 and 2006 because of his eye problem, once he came back for the 2006/2007 season that was the peak of his carrer. Not starting him in the 2011 final was one of Fergie's most shocking decisions. Our football in general has suffered a lot since he first retired.

He's definitely not the best football player to have played for you. I've seen better and I didn't even see Best and Charlton. I don't see how you can say he's the most influential if you weren't around in the days of Best and Charlton. Definitely wasn't the pillar of your success in the '90s. Your problems in the mid noughties weren't because of Scholes, they were because of Ferguson. He wasn't the pillar of your success in the late noughties either.
 
What's the point of having a nummer 10 if we have the most static attackers in the league, we play with no pace, with no dynamism, it's not a coincidence all our #no 10's tend to fail. Lets develop him in a Silva kind of winger.

I agree with your point, And that to a degree can be used in defence as to why it hasn't worked out here for Kagawa or Mata (thus far). For what it's worth if I was Van Gaal i'd be weighing up my striking options going into next Summer because there is a big lack of pace we have upfront and we do need that option at times. I'm really intrigued to see what is going to happen with Falcao because if things stay as they are we wont want to pay the big money needed for him, But can't help but think the transfer will have to happen regardless due to the agreement with Mendes.
 
1) Fergie's consistent ignoring of our midfield: The last few seasons have seen a consistent tinkering and shuffling of our lineup. No regular starting places in midfield apart from Carrick (who himself was on and off form-wise). Inordinate time wasted in getting rid of Nani and Anderson. They were not playing regularly yet not replaced.
2) Fergie vs Rooney: It would have never been a contest. Rooney would have been out that season and RvP would have replaced him. Probably that was Fergie's plan which never got fulfilled.
2) Strategy transition: My belief was that Fergie wanted to move away from 4-4-2 and play a more attacking free flowing football. So Kagawa. Again Fergie's plan which never got fulfilled.
3) Retirement and transition nightmanre: Fergie's retirement (both earlier and current) must have been one of the best examples of mismanagement by the club. Rather than learning from previous experiance, we chose to combine that significant event with a CEO change which enhanced the disturbance multifold. Total chaos resulting in a horribly botched crucial transfer window.
4) Fergie to Moyes: In hindsight, I can see a massive communication gap on ongoing strategy in the transition. Moyes tried to make a impact retaining Rooney negating point 1 above. This complicated by the big time fan placating signing of Mata with no view on how he fits in with Kagawa with the central midfield problem crucially ignored again.

I would say we are where we are because...
- Midfield was let unattended by Fergie. This was plastered over by RvP's brilliance.
- Mismanaged transition to Moyes who complicated by situation by bad transfer windows.

Number 3 aside, you've basically taken points that have been repeated by loads of people on here and agreed with, in a thread titled "unpopular opinions". Odd.
 
Paul Scholes is the best football player and the most influential in the history of Manchester United and one of the most underrated in the history of european football. He was the pilar of our success in the late 90's and mid/late 2000's, we had problems between 2004 and 2006 because of his eye problem, once he came back for the 2006/2007 season that was the peak of his carrer. Not starting him in the 2011 final was one of Fergie's most shocking decisions. Our football in general has suffered a lot since he first retired.

Eric Cantona was far more influential to the history of this club than Paul Scholes.
 
Giggs is scared of leaving United, and sees the club as an employment shelter. This'll be unpopular.
 
Giggs is scared of leaving United, and sees the club as an employment shelter. This'll be unpopular.

Not sure I'd say he is 'scared' rather than he just knows he has a good opportunity here and it would be stupid to leave.
 
Giggs is scared of leaving United, and sees the club as an employment shelter. This'll be unpopular.

I don't think he's scared, he's just smart enought to not leave.

If he leaves and manages for arguments sake West Brom, unless he gets he gets them regularly into European spots and playing great football, he probably won't be asked to manage United. His best shot at managing us is staying here and not risk it by managing someone else.
 
Rafael is not a very dependable RB. While hes overall skilled we need to find a backup for him at some point.
 
Not so unpopular and you'll find plenty of supporters for this idea. ( like me, we can be friends if you want to :angel: )
Hugs ;)

I know it shouldn't be unpopular but at the moment, on the back of his last two performances, many have genuinely been Fellaini as a better 10 and stuff like that. I'm sure Mata will find his feet and play an important role.
 
Hugs ;)

I know it shouldn't be unpopular but at the moment, on the back of his last two performances, many have genuinely been Fellaini as a better 10 and stuff like that. I'm sure Mata will find his feet and play an important role.

Mata is competing with Rooney isn't he? Fellaini isn't really playing the number 10 role.
 
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