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We have wasted an astonishing amount of money in the transfer windows gone by. Add up the costs of all of these players -

Fellaini
Zaha
Jones
Mata
Bebe
Young
Anderson
Valencia
Hernandez
Kagawa
Smalling

Comes to almost £200 million. Obviously someone as good as Mata will hopefully end up class for us but as of yet none of these can be considered successful signings. (Edit - apart from Hernandez). For almost £200 million that's more than worrying.

If you bring in the rest such as Berbatov, Hargreaves, Obertan, Diouf, Tosic and the other one, Buttner, Powell, Henrique... Then you can add another £70 odd million, most of it wastage.

Actually looking at it all it's staggeringly bad.
 
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shaggy said:
We have wasted an astonishing amount of money in the transfer windows gone by. Add up the costs of all of these players -

Fellaini
Zaha
Jones
Mata
Bebe
Young
Anderson
Valencia
Hernandez
Kagawa
Smalling

Comes to almost £200 million. Obviously someone as good as Mata will hopefully end up class for us but as of yet none of these can be considered successful signings. (Edit - apart from Hernandez). For almost £200 million that's more than worrying.
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Ive pointed this out previously, also that it was SAF who wasted a lot of money doing an Arsene and taking punts at random players that soon added up.
 
shaggy said:
We have wasted an astonishing amount of money in the transfer windows gone by. Add up the costs of all of these players -

Fellaini
Zaha
Jones
Mata
Bebe
Young
Anderson
Valencia
Hernandez
Kagawa
Smalling

Comes to almost £200 million. Obviously someone as good as Mata will hopefully end up class for us but as of yet none of these can be considered successful signings. (Edit - apart from Hernandez). For almost £200 million that's more than worrying.
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For me only the bolded ones can be called poor transfers/failures (so far at least). Anderson was very promising and had many great games, unfortunately he never managed to stay healthy long enough to make an impact on a full season. It was more about luck than over-estimating his abilities.

Kagawa is a quality player. I hope he gets enough chances this year to prove it. The rest are all good players who can contribute a lot when used correctly. They're not stars though so they may need a bit of quality to play along side.

And I can't remember the exact figures, but I don't think the total sum we bought Bebe, Zaha and Anderson for is more than £40m total (Chelsea and Liverpool wasted a similar amount on a single player). Obviously Fellaini is the worst one of them all.

EDIT: By the way, the reason I still consider most of them successful signings is because we didn't pay a lot for any of them, but they still managed to play an important role in winning two PL titles, after Ronaldo left.
 
shaggy said:
We have wasted an astonishing amount of money in the transfer windows gone by. Add up the costs of all of these players -

Fellaini
Zaha
Jones
Mata
Bebe
Young
Anderson
Valencia
Hernandez
Kagawa
Smalling

Comes to almost £200 million. Obviously someone as good as Mata will hopefully end up class for us but as of yet none of these can be considered successful signings. (Edit - apart from Hernandez). For almost £200 million that's more than worrying.
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Some if not most of that list have been valuable members if title winning squads.

Fellaini - yeah waste of money but we could get £10m back for him

Zaha - Buying raw potential is always risky, attitude stink but could come good.

Jones- played out of position for most of time here still only 22. Too early to call.

Smalling - same

Mata - Has only played 15 games for us, out of position and has got 6 goals and 8 assists. Not his Chelsea highs yet but come on a bad signing...

Bebe - Cheap and looks better last season will get a good chunk of what we paid back for him.

Young - shit
Anderson - Shit but again all potential was there he just couldn't lay off the pies

Valencia - was good for a couple of seasons then shit

Hernandez - 60 goals in 150 games hardly a shit return mainly from the bench

Kagawa - turned out he doesn't suit us but no denying the quality was there.
 
Danny1982 said:
For me only the bolded ones can be called poor transfers/failures (so far at least). Anderson was very promising and had many great games, unfortunately he never managed to stay healthy long enough to make an impact on a full season. It was more about luck than over-estimating his abilities.

Kagawa is a quality player. I hope he gets enough chances this year to prove it. The rest are all good players who can contribute a lot when used correctly. They're not stars though so they may need a bit of quality to play along side.

And I can't remember the exact figures, but I don't think the total sum we bought Bebe, Zaha and Anderson for is more than £40m total (Chelsea and Liverpool wasted a similar amount on a single player). Obviously Fellaini is the worst one of them all.

EDIT: By the way, the reason I still consider most of them successful signings is because we didn't pay a lot for any of them, but they still managed to play an important role in winning two PL titles, after Ronaldo left.
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Yes, some of them may come good. We better fecking hope so. At this moment in time the only truly great signings we have made since 07/08 is De Gea and RvP.
 
If Fergie had not retired we would not be in this mess. No one knows the club better than him. He would have gotten rid of Rooney, Vidic would probably have stayed and he would have strengthened the midfield knowing scholes ang giggs were basically going.
Our future is not looking bright.
 
It has been Fergusons principals, Moyes dithering and right now Van Gaals ego that is standing in the way of transfers, not Woodwards incompetence or the Glazers reluctancy to invest.

Also I think that the planning and preparation for the post Ferguson era could not have been handled any worse and that the majority of the blame should go towards Ferguson who played a principal role in handling his own succession. We have experienced the largest part of the consequences of that bad planning last year, but we'll be feeling the results of those decisions for next 2 years atleast. LVG will restore it, but it will take time and it won't be resolved with a massive influx of top signings.
 
Danny1982 said:
For me only the bolded ones can be called poor transfers/failures (so far at least). Anderson was very promising and had many great games, unfortunately he never managed to stay healthy long enough to make an impact on a full season. It was more about luck than over-estimating his abilities.
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Don't sugar coat it. Anderson was a failure.
 
matherto said:
Don't sugar coat it. Anderson was a failure.
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He was - no doubt. But he wasn't a foolish purchase. At the time he was ranked among the top talents in the world - it's easy to forget that given what he became. He's neither in the "overpriced/mediocre" category nor in the "senseless punt" one. It made plenty of sense to invest in him at the time, I'd argue.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
It has been Fergusons principals, Moyes dithering and right now Van Gaals ego that is standing in the way of transfers, not Woodwards incompetence or the Glazers reluctancy to invest.

Also I think that the planning and preparation for the post Ferguson era could not have been handled any worse and that the majority of the blame should go towards Ferguson who played a principal role in handling his own succession. We have experienced the largest part of the consequences of that bad planning last year, but we'll be feeling the results of those decisions for next 2 years atleast. LVG will restore it, but it will take time and it won't be resolved with a massive influx of top signings.
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I broadly agree with this. Sadly, despite revering the man, I also agree that SAF has to shoulder some of the responsibility for the moyes debacle.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
He was - no doubt. But he wasn't a foolish purchase. At the time he was ranked among the top talents in the world - it's easy to forget that given what he became. He's neither in the "overpriced/mediocre" category nor in the "senseless punt" one. It made plenty of sense to invest in him at the time, I'd argue.
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Yes, I agree. Bigger failure (than signing him) was not getting rid of him in right time.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
He was - no doubt. But he wasn't a foolish purchase. At the time he was ranked among the top talents in the world - it's easy to forget that given what he became. He's neither in the "overpriced/mediocre" category nor in the "senseless punt" one. It made plenty of sense to invest in him at the time, I'd argue.
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Exactly.
 
I said something about Januzai in this thread. Now come some even more "unpopular" opinions:

1. Smalling is not as bad as people make him to be. He's a good centre back.
2. LVG is a bit overrated. Surely he won a number of trophies, but he also had some shocking failures.
3. Mata has done nothing for United that justifies his price tag. Jose has done well selling him.
 
KGBhoy said:
I said something about Januzai in this thread. Now come some even more "unpopular" opinions:

1. Smalling is not as bad as people make him to be. He's a good centre back.
2. LVG is a bit overrated. Surely he won a number of trophies, but he also had some shocking failures.
3. Mata has done nothing for United that justifies his price tag. Jose has done well selling him.
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Two seasons running where he won Chelsea's player of the season prove he is a £35 Million player. The team need to move with more pace as a unit. Not pinging the ball to a wide man who is running one on one all the time. We need our wing backs to understand their role better, a CM next to Herrera who shields and moves it with pace. CB's who can step into midfield and allow Herrera to move forward and link with Mata who will find one of the strikers more often than not. We have two world class strikers who have proven they are deadly with good service.
 
Yorkeontop said:
The club need surgery and Van Gaal is just a well equipped first aid kit.
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While the club is facing problems, van Gaal is probably one of the few managers to fix things and create new foundations for success. He did the same for Barca and Bayern. The man just needs time.
 
Sir Alex has fecked this club up by not investing for the future. We shouldn't be struggling like we are with or without SAF.

This is going to take more the LVG to put right!!!

P.s we are 3-0 down to MK Dons
 
some ppl over here deserve this result - maybe someday they ll realise that quick fixes do not exist. The club could spend one billion in transfer fees and change ten managers but building a team would still take time.
 
We'd have been better off with 5 years of outright failure and 15 years of success under Moyes than 5 years of success in a 3-5-2 under LVG for him to retire.
 
We should stick by 3-5-2 (or a similar variation of that).
 
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Will Singh said:
LVG out
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Away with yourself will ya.
dev1l said:
some ppl over here deserve this result - maybe someday they ll realise that quick fixes do not exist. The club could spend one billion in transfer fees and change ten managers but building a team would still take time.
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You have to be realistic here dev1l, it's an humiliation. Yes there are no quick fixes but we've just been well beaten by MK Dons.
 
Blue always red said:
We'd have been better off with 5 years of outright failure and 15 years of success under Moyes than 5 years of success in a 3-5-2 under LVG for him to retire.
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We were never going to get 15 years of success under Moyes though.
 
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