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Kag said:
Herrera, Fletcher and Carrick are all better players than both McCarthy and Barry. Cue some Irish poster coming in and telling me I'm wrong, of course. The Everton pair are good players, but they'd face the same stick our lads do if they were here. Expectation is a massive influence in terms of how players are rated.

At City, Barry, despite his regular good form, was routinely hounded by rival supporters. As soon as he heads out on loan to Everton, plays exactly the way he was at City but for a team not as good, there are calls for his inclusion in the England squad and so forth. It's all very fickle.
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Yeah it's all about the system and the team really. Stick Gareth Barry in last years United team and he gets all sorts of abuse. He's a limited player. He looks better in a nice system and he'll struggle in a malfunctioning one. Everyone here laughed at him for ages when he was at city. He was considered a joke. One year on at Everton and he's suddenly excellent,
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Yeah it's all about the system and the team really. Stick Gareth Barry in last years United team and he gets all sorts of abuse. He's a limited player. He looks better in a nice system and he'll struggle in a malfunctioning one. Everyone here laughed at him for ages when he was at city. He was considered a joke. One year on at Everton and he's suddenly excellent,
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amolbhatia100 said:
How is Barry better than Carrick ? He's never ever hit anything close to carrick's top level. He's a solid player and that's where it ends. Carrick despite being overrated by some United fans here, is comfortably a level above when in form. I mean, Gareth Barry has never had a season where you thought he was one of the better players in the league.

Jones and Smalling haven't really regressed. They just haven't become top defended yet. Stones is basically where jones and smalling were when they burst on the scene. I don't see stones being where they were years back is an indication of him being better. Would you actually start tomorrow with stones ahead of jones based on the here and now?

You say Everton have players who suit Martinez' philosophy but I bet you didn't think that before last season. Give LVG time. He'll change some of these players to suiting the system over time. He might not do it as seamlessly as Martinez who caught everyone off guard with how quickly he changed them but you seem to be still judging this lot as Moyes' United.
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Ok I get where your coming from in regard to Barry. But McCarthy is better than ours until Herrera settles in England of course.

Actually I would take Stones over Jones right now. His an accident waiting to happen these days he jumps into tackles, rash and often hurts himself attempting to chase lost causes.

I'm willing to give Van Gaal time with our current squad but I'd personally rather him just bring in another two midfielders and two defenders. Ours are made of glass.
 
2 years out of the CL wouldn't be the end of the world so long as we improve massively from last season.

We have the financial power to compete with Arsenal and Liverpool without CL money
 
Kagawa isn't suited to us, we should cut our losses.
Young and Welbeck will have their best seasons for us.
We're only 2 players short of a title challenge.
Gerrard has been average since 09, he'll cost Liverpool again next season.
 
MancunianAngels said:
Kagawa isn't suited to us, we should cut our losses.
Young and Welbeck will have their best seasons for us.
We're only 2 players short of a title challenge.
Gerrard has been average since age 9, he'll cost Liverpool again next season.
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3-5-2 will be a big hit (not straight away, but as soon as our wingbacks in Rafa and Shaw get back to fitness).

I like possession football.
 
If we don't make any more starting 11 quality signings before the end of the summer, I think we're f*cked in terms of getting into the top 4. Another transfer window is almost over, and it's been another summer of we want, other clubs buy. And I'm getting really frustrated with this side of things now. We've now got an excellent manager, who hasn't got the tools that he needs to not only start making this club title contenders again, but even, possibly, to get us back into the top 4.

And also, don't think that LVG, despite his brilliance, is going to be able to pull us through this season and get us to 4th. People are underestimating the fact that he doesn't know the English game and other Premier League teams like Sir Alex did. How they play, how they work, how to play against them etc. He used all that experience, particularly in his final year to get around the deficiencies in the squad and win the title. LVG, whilst incredibly experienced, doesn't have THAT experience and knowledge in his back pocket.
 
Buying both Mata and Fellaini was wrong on every possible level. They were not needed, you've spent a fortune on them and now there's no balance in the team and you'll have problems until you stop playing with two strikers and one CAM on the pitch at the same time.

Only way you can play with this squad is in 4-2-2-2 with Mata and Kagawa as wide AM's and Rooney and RVP as 2 strikers.
 
LvG is deluded in thinking Young or Lingard can play as wing backs. If Moyes had tried this shit he'd be utterly hammered and rightly so.

I get that the 3-5-2 is all about getting Mata in the no.10 but in doing so it means the whole defence is uncomfortable and have these 2 forward players being asked to play in a position they've never played in their fecking lives. It's a bollocks formation.
 
Sterling is currently better than Januzaj. I think Adnan has potential to be better at least I like to think so but they are at almost the same age now and Sterling is better at the moment.

David Silva is a better player than our Juan. More effective and seemingly more consistent than Mata and has been at a top level for longer and is more integral to the Spanish squad.
 
Hamadovich86 said:
Sterling is currently better than Januzaj. I think Adnan has potential to be better at least I like to think so but they are at almost the same age now and Sterling is better at the moment.

David Silva is a better player than our Juan. More effective and seemingly more consistent than Mata and has been at a top level for longer and is more integral to the Spanish squad.
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That's not unpopular.
 
If the story about Anderson, Nani and Zaha being banished from the team are true, Louis Van Gaal is an unprofessional prick who blows a lot of hot air and only cares about his own ego. I don't like him and I don't think he will do half as well as people think, and further to that I think he will actually do far more long-term damage to the club by making it fit his ideals than Moyes ever could. In three to four seasons time, when Van Gaal leaves, I think we will be in a bigger mess than we are now.
 
That'sHernandez said:
If the story about Anderson, Nani and Zaha being banished from the team are true, Louis Van Gaal is an unprofessional prick who blows a lot of hot air and only cares about his own ego. I don't like him and I don't think he will do half as well as people think, and further to that I think he will actually do far more long-term damage to the club by making it fit his ideals than Moyes ever could. In three to four seasons time, when Van Gaal leaves, I think we will be in a bigger mess than we are now.
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Er, Nani played yesterday and is pretty much surplus to requirements anyway.
 
That'sHernandez said:
If the story about Anderson, Nani and Zaha being banished from the team are true, Louis Van Gaal is an unprofessional prick who blows a lot of hot air and only cares about his own ego. I don't like him and I don't think he will do half as well as people think, and further to that I think he will actually do far more long-term damage to the club by making it fit his ideals than Moyes ever could. In three to four seasons time, when Van Gaal leaves, I think we will be in a bigger mess than we are now.
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What stories?
 
That'sHernandez said:
If the story about Anderson, Nani and Zaha being banished from the team are true, Louis Van Gaal is an unprofessional prick who blows a lot of hot air and only cares about his own ego. I don't like him and I don't think he will do half as well as people think, and further to that I think he will actually do far more long-term damage to the club by making it fit his ideals than Moyes ever could. In three to four seasons time, when Van Gaal leaves, I think we will be in a bigger mess than we are now.
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Yeah he's arrogant but look at every single club after he left them. Only gone on to do improve because of the systems he put in place and how the youth players were handled. Anyways, why would it matter it he wants to get rid of Anderson, Nani and Zaha? One is shit and constantly unfit and has absolutely no future anyways, one is a cocky youngster who couldn't force his way into a Cardiff team who got relegated and the other is Nani who is always injured and even when isn't, is infuriating with his decision making. I don't think that article is true anyways, Van Gaal himself said he's never one to tell players to actually leave the club and stuff like that. He just tells them their perspective playing time and the players decide by themselves if they want to go.
 
Dreaded said:
What stories?
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Some half arsed stories in the daily mail that he sent Anderson, Nani and Zaha away from any activities with the first team, or banished them if you will. Obviously bollocks but hey, whatever sells papers right.
 
bosnian_red said:
Some half arsed stories in the daily mail that he sent Anderson, Nani and Zaha away from any activities with the first team, or banished them if you will. Obviously bollocks but hey, whatever sells papers right.
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What is wrong with that, maybe he had good reason to.
 
So he told Nani not to come to training with the others and not to do anything with the squad yet then played him against Swansea? Yeah, I highly doubt that.
 
goin4glory said:
I agree, even RVP wasn't a priority with the attackers we had available at the time. Mata and Fellaini have been very poorly thought out.
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These may not have been the priority, but when a certain player becomes available you should never be hesitant to replace a player with a better one. Mata is better than Kagawa. RVP is better than Hernandez/Berbatov. Although I agree that the balance of the squad is way off.
 
Gopher Brown said:
These may not have been the priority, but when a certain player becomes available you should never be hesitant to replace a player with a better one. Mata is better than Kagawa. RVP is better than Hernandez/Berbatov. Although I agree that the balance of the squad is way off.
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So if five WC forwards all happen to become available just sign all of them
 
Sixpence said:
LvG is deluded in thinking Young or Lingard can play as wing backs. If Moyes had tried this shit he'd be utterly hammered and rightly so.

I get that the 3-5-2 is all about getting Mata in the no.10 but in doing so it means the whole defence is uncomfortable and have these 2 forward players being asked to play in a position they've never played in their fecking lives. It's a bollocks formation.
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The formation is there to get Mata, Rooney and RVP all in their right positions at the same time and to cover up our defensive deficiencies by making the midfield and defence more compact.

Using it in pre-season is fine because our players need to get to understand the system. There was no RVP but Welbeck was very good with his pace, power and ability to link up the play quickly. There was no Welbeck yesterday.

Hernandez has looked very average in the system because he cannot offer these qualities. He's a poacher and offers little else. The fact is our midfield as it is very uncreative, Herrera settling in and our attack is slow without Welbeck, Januzaj or even Nani. Playing with Hernandez is like playing with 10 men. Our wide threat comes from the wing backs. Young was decent yesterday - obviously not to his pre season form but I have a reason for this. Our defensive numbers are so low we really couldn't afford to leave the 3 too exposed and with one unfamiliar wing back we had to halt our tempo. Neither our midfield caught the tempo needed either. It was stupid playing Lingard at wing back because he isn't familiar with it. We would have been better off playing a flat back line and risk opening ourselves up a bit more in midfield than try and put players who can't play a role in a system where that role is the key.

Should have switched the system at the injury and brought Keane on to partner Smalling, Jones at RB, Blackett at LB and Young on in the wing so he still retains some defensive duty but in an advanced starting point. By bringing Januzaj on just to fit the 3-5-2 was ridiculous. We wasted another sub just to be able to switch to 4-4-1-1.

In the end we were all over the place as a result of having too many attacking players, and no strength or pace to utilize.

That Swansea result was tactical naivety in trusting youth to play in unfamiliar circumstances.
 
Our biggest problems stem from the fact that Vidic, Rio ad Evra were not phased out properly and that SAF didn't sign a CM, which left Moyes in charge who thought Fellaini would be a good idea (SAF would have never signed Fellaini). I think SAF had too much faith in Moyes and our younger defenders. Also, you can argue that SAF left the club with 2 world class forwards, another striker who will get you 15 goals and a hungry talented player in Welbeck. He also left Kagawa there as an option. There is enough there in the forward department. Instead of buying who we needed in the summer, we panicked and bought Mata for the sake of it (don't get me wrong, I am happy he's here, but still). Wingers and a proper CM should have been bought under Moyes. That's where we fecked up. Rio and Vidic should have been phased out over two seasons. Instead, they have been abruptly pulled out of the squad. This would not have happened had van Gaal followed Sir Alex. He would have had the younger CB's phased in last year at the very least. We have all seen how good a player Cahill looks because he plays every week and has built up a partnership. Meanwhile, Smalling and Jones have been playing at fullback making themselves look like donkeys.
 
Our centre backs are totally overrated. All of them are decent PL players but that is all they are. Jones has the most potential but he is very injury prone and prone to a frequent howler.
 
Gopher Brown said:
These may not have been the priority, but when a certain player becomes available you should never be hesitant to replace a player with a better one. Mata is better than Kagawa. RVP is better than Hernandez/Berbatov. Although I agree that the balance of the squad is way off.
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I agree in principle, but other players should have been moved on in that case. the players we have bought in attack are class on paper, but they just dont work as a unit, and no matter how we fiddle with systems its allways going to be redundant and we will play worse as a team. or have 75m worth of talent on the bench when other areas of our team are mid table quality. Thats works fine for Real madrid or barca or Bayern, but thats because their entire squad is up to scratch in all areas. For a team like ours who penny pinch, we cant afford our big money transfers to not even fit in a starting 11.

If we decided to purchase Mata for 37m thats because we should have had a long term plan for him. you dont then marginalise his talent by parading him around as this maquee player when in reality our squad is not set up to support a player of his type. I love Mata, he is world class, but he's going to suffer in the same way Kagawa has suffered.

If manuel Neur was available would we Purchase him for 30m+ even when we have De gea? and have 1 on the bench? as retarded an example as that is, its the same shit we have with our forwards. 1 has to be on the bench if we want to put the best TEAM out at a time.

We should have identified players we needed and blew that money on them.
 
Name Changed said:
Our centre backs are totally overrated. All of them are decent PL players but that is all they are. Jones has the most potential but he is very injury prone and prone to a frequent howler.
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Agreed. I don't see Jones becoming a top centre back either though.

I'll add that Everton are a Van Persie/Rooney away from having an equal first team, and have a better midfield and defence - hence they look (and have done for a couple of years) more balanced and cohesive, and harder to breach, whereas our superior strikers mean we win games more through individual brilliance.
 
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