Read again, i said "we are winning without the effect of a World Class Player", i didnt say we didnt have one, and it is quite obvious i meant outfield player - as there is a limit to what a GK can do when it comes to winning IMO, Rooney may be a WC player, but he sure isn't playing like one, we are playing like a team, the effect of a WC playing isn't showing in our team, we have Mata,Herrera,Blind,Carrick,Fellaini and Young all these players are making the system work, all our attacks go through these players, which is why we seem to be winning.
United under LvG: verdict so far!
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Read again, i said "we are winning without the effect of a World Class Player", i didnt say we didnt have one, and it is quite obvious i meant outfield player - as there is a limit to what a GK can do when it comes to winning IMO, Rooney may be a WC player, but he sure isn't playing like one, we are playing like a team, the effect of a WC playing isn't showing in our team, we have Mata,Herrera,Blind,Carrick,Fellaini and Young all these players are making the system work, all our attacks go through these players, which is why we seem to be winning.
Fergie might start to get jealous if LVG delivers a league title and then a CL trophy.
I'm just happy that the football is joyous to watch again. Everything else is a bonus this season - albiet a massive bonus. Never doubted the guy.
Yeah I think things will be a little more tense between them because they are rivals in the same league and the game between us will be interesting because of the form we're in. But I think the two have a relationship that goes back some way and I dont think the increase rivalry will cause things to break down between them, itll just add spice. SAF and Mourinho were able to maintain considerable respect between them and even if there were controversies in particular games it didnt cause a rift. I think itll be the same kind of deal. They may disagree about the validity of a goal or the legality of a challenge but they like each other and respect each others' abilities as managers and they isnt going to change.
"We're winning without the effect of a world class player" would tend to suggest we don't have one in the team...which we do. More than one in my view. Rooney has inspired the team to several important results this year.
And you seem to be implying that, for example Arsenal, are only winning because of Sanchez. It's a team game, they're winning because their whole team has picked up the pace. Same goes for us.
That's kind of the point though, their will to win is fierce, sometimes that happens at the expense of a friendship. 'Win at all costs' applies to them both, that's why I think it is a possibility but it also depends on whether there is controversy between the two sides. Neither manager will have any intention of hurting their friendship, they will speak respectful words, but if something happens then each manager must side with his team and that can cause something to be said to which there is a response and from there who knows.
I only say it could happen because I can see United being as dominant as Chelsea if Louis van Gaal stays and only fine margins will separate the two, emotion will be so high it will be difficult to control.
I'm not sure how you could expect Louis van Gaal to play attractive football in the world cup when you look at his selection? There was no choice to be made here.
I also think Louis van Gaal is being respectful with what he said to Mourinho, he has already stated what he tries to achieve is more difficult than what Mourinho does, it also depends on the context that was said in because I recall him talking about trophies and not coaching ability.
And finally I don't think Louis van Gaal is now humble, the posters who understand dutch claim he is keeping his arrogance to a minimum because of his lack of language barrier but just as recently as the world cup Louis van Gaal was his typical self. He isn't always honest, if he were he wouldn't say 'now I am humble'.
He's just brilliant. Gary Nev and others like Jonathan Wilson called it back in Jan/Feb when things were looking bleak. They said the nitty gritty, resolute attitude was being installed, the stuff you build foundations on. The nice stuff will come later. And it has.
We're in for a great ride these next few years. Van Gaal's last big job, hopefully this one will be his masterpiece.
We're in for a great ride these next few years. Van Gaal's last big job, hopefully this one will be his masterpiece.
Van Gaal is showing why no "British" manager will be getting this job in a hurry after Moyes was given a chance
the tactical acumen and knowledge of what is required in a given game is there for all to see with
most of the top foreign managers and coaches , and the belief in one's own ability, though some may regard this as
arrogance, is part of the make-up of these people
the tactical acumen and knowledge of what is required in a given game is there for all to see with
most of the top foreign managers and coaches , and the belief in one's own ability, though some may regard this as
arrogance, is part of the make-up of these people
In two and a half years i'm sure United will have a British manager even though it'd be the wrong thing for United's sake.
Not going to lie, I was in the negative camp after the Arsenal game, Thought it was a matter time until doom day happened.
I never expected us to go on the run we are currently on, and must now give credit where it is due to LVG. Whether or not he stumbled on this formation by accident he has now found his best tactics and is running with them, Fair play to him for that.
I'm not going to jump the gun just yet though as the season has more twists and turns yet IMO, But right now it feels great to be a good team again, something I didn't think 4 weeks ago.
I never expected us to go on the run we are currently on, and must now give credit where it is due to LVG. Whether or not he stumbled on this formation by accident he has now found his best tactics and is running with them, Fair play to him for that.
I'm not going to jump the gun just yet though as the season has more twists and turns yet IMO, But right now it feels great to be a good team again, something I didn't think 4 weeks ago.
IMO we actually started 'clicking' during that arsenal game and I find it interesting that people actually felt so negative after that game. Sure, we lost and got dumped out of the only realistic trophy opportunity, but that was down to individual errors. The good signs started in that game, not the next one.
You mean Giggs?
Yes. I'd even say United are unnecessarily desperate for Giggs to be their manager.
I dont think that. There's a story about him succeeding LVG but I doubt it will happen. Nor do I thinK United is desperate for it.
When he says now I am humble, he obviously means in that moment when he was making that speech, not in general. I'm Dutch myself by the way. I also don't think he changed all that much as far as personality goes, although the past World Cup and now too he seems more relaxed than before, not as confrontational. The language barrier plays a role I'm sure, but he also just seems genuinely happy.
Before the Dutch national team and the World Cup Van Gaal was obsessed with playing attractive possession football, it was the only way to go according to him, and he literally said not wanting to win any other way. It's even in his autobiography. He's performed badly before with teams but never really sacrificed that vision of attractive football. So yeah, I didn't expect that, no Dutch did. It was like him falling from his religion. So whatever he's previously said about attractive football, there's reason to believe he's less obsessed with that now.
I find that interesting. I actually thought that the arsenal game was where things started to click for us. We were playing well and would have had a better result had it not been for valencia back pass and di Maria red.
Absolutely. I posted this after the game:
I've given LVG loads of stick but I don't think he was to blame for yesterday or at least no more than most games. The only thing I'd have changed from the starting lineup was playing Carrick instead of Blind. It's not like no one ever saw Blind's defensive shortcomings before this game.
Aside from that he didn't do much wrong. I'm a big Herrera fan but one would think he was pinging through balls left, right and centre judging by the way some are reacting. Bringing Carrick on was the right move and it didn't effect us negatively until Valencia and then eventually Di Maria fecked us over with 2 moments of idiocy.
Up and till Di Maria got sent off, I thought we looked a lot better than we have in recent weeks. The tempo was quicker, some genuine link up play between our front players. If not for Valencia's feck up I'd have backed us to win it.
I actually feel a lot more positive about our top 4 prospects
Right now I don't know how anyone could question him. Looking back over the season there was a shaky start for sure, hell until recently it was hard to say that we deserved a top 4 finish. But now, if we'd been playing like we are since the beginning of the season I think we'd be in the lead and deservedly. Id he can carry this on from the beginning of the next season it's hard to see how any United fan could complain about him really.
As for him training Giggs, I want this to happen pretty badly, purely for the fairy tale factor. A guy who's only ever played for the club and holds the record for most appearances? Come on. It's like something out of a novel and we have the chance to make it happen. Would make me a very happy fan and I'm amazed that some fans don't seem bothered about it.
As for him training Giggs, I want this to happen pretty badly, purely for the fairy tale factor. A guy who's only ever played for the club and holds the record for most appearances? Come on. It's like something out of a novel and we have the chance to make it happen. Would make me a very happy fan and I'm amazed that some fans don't seem bothered about it.
We are winning without the effect of a World Class player simply means our World Class player's aren't playing like World Class players.
Ozil has been World Class since he returned for Arsenal and he has been a key member of the force, it is obviously a team game, not denying that fact but the presence of Ozil in that team is immense, Sanchez was World Class earlier in the season - hence he was the sole reason they racked up so many points, Giroud isn't a WC player but his numbers in the last 7 games have resembled that of one, we have Di Maria,Rooney,RVP and Falcao - players who are capable of being world class,yet none of them has been World Class for us this season (well aware of the injuries).
I don't think that will be the case at all. In fact there were reports that Giggs may leave United at some point to kickstart his own managerial career:
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/539788/Ryan-Giggs-Man-Utd-coaching
Yup i fully concur with that summary. The only worry was whether those 'glimpses' would be carried forward, given the result of that game but the lads have shown great spirit and built on that. "Can a loss be a win?" is often joked about on the caf but that game looks to be win, in hindsight
I agree with this. It was when we went to Carrick and Blind in the middle that things turned against us.
And aside/up until(?) Valencia's bad back pass, I thought he was playing quite well.
I think that'd be in United's best interest.
Yeah, having Giggs take over before him proving his coaching nous smacks of desperation and is a move that mediocre Italian clubs do
. At least have him run the U-21's (i.e. reserves), like Pep did for Barca. Best case scenario would have him manage a team that is expected to be better than most of it's league/division. I don't think taking over a bad or underfinanced team would help groom a future Utd coach - that would inculcate a bargain hunting/dumpster diving/pragmatic approach which is anathema to what Utd has become. Giggs (or G Neville) would need to prove themselves running an ambitious team that's heading places. Besides the tactics & man management, they also need to show that they get it when recruiting players.Besides his obvious qualities as a manager, he commands the respect and attention of the players. That is a big thing at a club like ours. The players understand that they need to listen to him and with his record, know that he will bring success.
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Not for the first time i agree with Carragher. If United get their recruitment right and start well next season, anything can happen.
We'll need a way deeper and better squad to achieve it indeed especially with four parallel competitions but fair play to Carragher for stepping up from his deluded zone and acknowledging the obvious improvement.
Can someone post the article? it's blocked from work
I think everyone would acknowledge Hazard as WC now. He was promising when bought and has certainly started to show the potential everyone was banging on about. Also, the GKs. As far as outfielders are concerned, I think the point is valid. Rather than WC players, it is competent players that can play to the system the manager wants. Even Fergie did not have an abundance of WC players.
Carragher was just saying this year it was Louis' job to secure top 4. The performances didn't matter it was all about the result, but now that Louis has added good performances to good results people have more faith in him and will be challenging for the title next year.
To conquer the opponent's club, start with their women.
And then she removed that pic from her Instagram page. The noisy neighbours are indeed a small club.
Its a link to talksport audio.
I'll listen to it when I'm home so.
Nothing all that revolutionary mind, just acknowledging we're on the way up.
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