United under LvG: verdict so far!

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Who would swap Van Gaal for Klopp this summer if the option was there to do so?

I think Klopp needs to move to a lesser club in the EPL first. Say Arsenal or Tottenham, for example.
After he has proved himself there, he can move to a giant club like Man Utd.
As we saw with Moyes, taking the step up from a top 6 team like Everton (even though he had extensive EPL experience) can be overwhelming.
We should hire only the best managers with an extensive CV at elite clubs. There is no need for us to experiment with lesser managers.
 
I think Klopp needs to move to a lesser club in the EPL first. Say Arsenal or Tottenham, for example.
After he has proved himself there, he can move to a giant club like Man Utd.
As we saw with Moyes, taking the step up from a top 6 team like Everton (even though he had extensive EPL experience) can be overwhelming.
We should hire only the best managers with an extensive CV at elite clubs. There is no need for us to experiment with lesser managers.

A coach won't use Arsenal as a test for a move to a club like United, Arsenal are too big for that, they have the means to challenge United every season.
 
I think Klopp needs to move to a lesser club in the EPL first. Say Arsenal or Tottenham, for example.
After he has proved himself there, he can move to a giant club like Man Utd.
As we saw with Moyes, taking the step up from a top 6 team like Everton (even though he had extensive EPL experience) can be overwhelming.
We should hire only the best managers with an extensive CV at elite clubs. There is no need for us to experiment with lesser managers.

Klopp has achieved too much to need to prove himself at a Tottenham to land the United job.

Mentioning Arsenal there is just ridiculous, they are a top club themselves and too big to be a managerial stepping stone to United.
 
There are people who can't give him any credit no matter what, it gets boring. He stumbled into this, yada yada. No, he did not. If you have this opinion then your understanding of football is quite limited. Honestly, if you had Rooney, RVP and Falcao at your disposal, you'll at least try to get them to play together, because at their best, they can be something else, it's what managers are paid to do. He tried to make it work and when it didn't, he started to change it.
Simply picking players in their right positions doesn't automatically transform a team into what we are seeing now, though it helps. We're keeping the ball better, passing it better/faster than I've seen a United team in like 6 years, and despite a lack of cb quality, we've managed to negate our defensive problems. It's not simply down to RVP being injured, forcing him to play Rooney as a striker [which he did earlier in the season and it got us nowhere]. There's motivation, getting the players in the right frame of mind, style of play etc. Mata is playing right wing [not his natural position] and Fellaini is playing #10 [not even Moyes had the balls to do this here and not many people here will have him in a United starting team] and yet, he somehow stumbled on it. Honestly, if a man is going to get stick when things are not going well, then he deserves some credit when things start looking good. If it's as simple as picking players in their right positions, why didn't Moyes succeed then?
 
I think Klopp needs to move to a lesser club in the EPL first. Say Arsenal or Tottenham, for example. After he has proved himself there, he can move to a giant club like Man Utd.
As we saw with Moyes, taking the step up from a top 6 team like Everton (even though he had extensive EPL experience) can be overwhelming.
We should hire only the best managers with an extensive CV at elite clubs. There is no need for us to experiment with lesser managers.

Jurgen Klopp needs to prove himself at Spurs [after all he has achieved in 8 yrs with Dortmund] or Arsenal [when did Arsenal become a lesser club]. Klopp is managing one of the best clubs in Germany [he built them into that], something Moyes did not do, and he has an extensive CV. This post is all over the place, sorry.
 
B. However, he can get an A overall if we continue our good form for most of our remaining matches.
He just made to many mistake IMO to deserve anything better than a B at this point. We have top 4 almost assured but we need to continue the good play to make up for the dire football we say in January and February.
 
I think Klopp needs to move to a lesser club in the EPL first. Say Arsenal or Tottenham, for example.
After he has proved himself there, he can move to a giant club like Man Utd.
As we saw with Moyes, taking the step up from a top 6 team like Everton (even though he had extensive EPL experience) can be overwhelming.
We should hire only the best managers with an extensive CV at elite clubs. There is no need for us to experiment with lesser managers.
Sure Klopp's stock has fallen, but I think that's a patronising view of Klopp.
 
I think I will give VG a B+. I think he has made some really weird and daft decisions, maybe for the greater good short and long term, who knows. But I never liked the idea of playing rooney in midfield because he just does not have the weapons to be that midfield maestro, and it never helped with falcao and RVP upfront who are also immobile which was taken up the spots for midfielders who could do better. When guys like mata and herrera are far better technical, and they know how to just keep that ball moving in that flued Spanish way they know best. For VG's possession dominating model to work, he had to drop RVP and Falcao, and stick rooney upfront, especially since he named rooney captain, and we know how VG feels about his captains.

I think we're largely in agreement but I wouldn't be quite so harsh on Louis's persistence on playing all three of Falcao, RvP and Rooney even after it was clear it wasn't working. I actually never liked the idea of playing Falcao and RvP together, but that's easy for me as a poster to see it that way. It's not an easy thing to spend 250k/week on each RvP and Falcao and then just bench one or the other. Louis had to give Falcao a fair chance to hit a high gear. Truth is, Falcao should have done better but never pulled himself together under Louis and took up a slot that should have gone to Mata. But he still gets an A- from me because he adapted under challenging circumstances and found his best XI early enough to put us within a very realistic reach of second place, which is actually an incredible prospect.
 
No, especially now that we seem to be finally getting somewhere with LvG. Klopp is a great manager and his teams usually play very attractive football but his tactical approach is quite different from van Gaal's. The pressing is way more intense and is applied higher on the pitch, the passing is more direct and this means that the players will have to begin from scratch and learn a new playing style once again. It's already taken us 8 months to see some light at the end of the tunnel.
I completely agree with this.

We brought LvG in to help build a team and create a successful template for our style of play. After SAF left we lost our identity something i partly blame on the man (only partly!). LvG has a history of instilling good footballing principles into a team and building one. We cant get rid of him so quickly especially when its giving results!
 
No, especially now that we seem to be finally getting somewhere with LvG. Klopp is a great manager and his teams usually play very attractive football but his tactical approach is quite different from van Gaal's. The pressing is way more intense and is applied higher on the pitch, the passing is more direct and this means that the players will have to begin from scratch and learn a new playing style once again. It's already taken us 8 months to see some light at the end of the tunnel.

Furthermore, the last couple of seasons showed how much Klopp's teams struggle when the initial strategy isn't working well and the team can't find any decent form for a long period of time. Dortmund have thrown away so many points in the last couple of seasons because they can't do some of the most basic things right. They are consistently bad at defending set pieces, when they lose the ball high on the pitch their defensive transition is hilarious and they don't seem to know what to do with the ball when plan A (press high to steal the ball and play the quick pass forward) isn't working. And they simply can't control the tempo of their games, slow things down and kill off the game when it's necessary.

These are all areas in which we have shown improvement under LvG this season. Imo we should stick with him and then try to get a manager with similar ideas.

I agree with the bolded part. Pep aside, who would you want to implement similar ideas to van Gaal? Pep would obviously be the ideal candidate but what if you don't get him? Frank de Boer has done a great job at Ajax, but if he got the United after van Gaal, there'd be many question marks.
 
I agree with the bolded part. Pep aside, who would you want to implement similar ideas to van Gaal? Pep would obviously be the ideal candidate but what if you don't get him? Frank de Boer has done a great job at Ajax, but if he got the United after van Gaal, there'd be many question marks.
Might be wishful thinking on my part but i can see us getting Pep in a few seasons time. I think he'll still be in charge of Bayern next season which will probably be his last, before he takes a year off to take over from LvG when his contract ends... A man can dream right?!
 
Might be wishful thinking on my part but i can see us getting Pep in a few seasons time. I think he'll still be in charge of Bayern next season which will probably be his last, before he takes a year off to take over from LvG when his contract ends... A man can dream right?!
Of course. Your run to Pep will be determined by the fate of Ferran Sorriano and Txiki Begiristain. If City move them on, the trump card they would have in the race to hire Pep would be gone. Might be awkward though if Pep leaves Bayern in 2016 and doesn't take a sabbatical.
 
I agree with the bolded part. Pep aside, who would you want to implement similar ideas to van Gaal? Pep would obviously be the ideal candidate but what if you don't get him? Frank de Boer has done a great job at Ajax, but if he got the United after van Gaal, there'd be many question marks.

It's a tough question, Pep aside there aren't any ready made solutions who tick all the right boxes. For some reason i believe that the board are seriously considering the possibility of Giggs becoming the first manager, not in the near future but in 5 or 6 seasons from now. I also believe that LvG is fully informed of that and he is working towards that direction.

I agree with the post above that we will make an effort to appoint Guardiola when he decides to leave Bayern Munich. In case that doesn't work out well for us, i think we'll try to keep LvG here for a couple more seasons in order to make the transition from LvG to Giggs more smooth. Don't know if it's the best thing to do but i believe it's something the club is seriously looking into...

Funny thing that you mentioned De Boer cause i've watched some of Ajax's matches and i would consider him a candidate for the job but there are many Dutch posters here on the Cafe who don't rate him very highly. Maybe they know something more about him. The thing about Ajax, PSV and most of the Eredivisie clubs is that they can produce some wonderful football when they have possession but they are very sloppy when they have to defend off the ball.
 
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It's a tough question, Pep aside there aren't any ready made solutions who tick all the right boxes. For some reason i believe that the board are seriously considering the possibility of Giggs becoming the first manager, not in the near future but in 5 or 6 seasons from now. I also believe that LvG is fully informed of that and he is working towards that direction.

I agree with the post above that we will make an effort to appoint Guardiola when he decides to leave Bayern Munich. In case that doesn't work out well for us, i think we'll try to keep LvG here for a couple more seasons in order to make the transition from LvG to Giggs more smooth. Don't know if it's the best thing to do but i believe it's something the club is seriously looking into...

Funny thing that you mentioned De Boer cause i've watched some of Ajax's matches and i would consider him a candidate for the job but there are many Dutch posters here on the Cafe don't rate him very highly. Maybe they know something more about him. The thing about Ajax, PSV and most of the Eredivisie clubs is that they can produce some wonderful football when they have possession but they are very sloppy when they have to defend off the ball.

Guardiola would be my 1st choice aswell. He wrote in his book that he wants to become Manchester United manager, so I can't see him going to City anytime soon. He's still not done at Bayern yet anyways.

Frank de Boer, as far as I'm aware, is rated highly in Holland. He won the Eredivisie in his first 4 seasons, always fell a bit short in the CL but managed to beat the likes of Barcelona and City. Is great with youth players and is a dominant, but fair man. Tries to play attacking football, but is often defensively a bit suspect. This season Ajax aren't doing that much worse than last year results wise (although their selection and football is worse), it's just that PSV has done way better this year. They will still be 2nd.

I'm not sure if I want him here, since he's unproven at this level, but he's a great coach. I wouldn't mind if the club gave him the job after van Gaal though.
 
I'm a supporter of the guy. This is his swansong and you just know he wants to succeed, go out with a bang. This summer he will have complete reins on who he brings in. The way we are playing at the moment he deserves our support and deserves to give it a really good go. Win tomorrow against City and I really expect the doubters to reconsider. Even a draw would be good to be honest. A B++ from me...an A tomorrow if we beat city :-)
 
Funny thing that you mentioned De Boer cause i've watched some of Ajax's matches and i would consider him a candidate for the job but there are many Dutch posters here on the Cafe who don't rate him very highly. Maybe they know something more about him. The thing about Ajax, PSV and most of the Eredivisie clubs is that they can produce some wonderful football when they have possession but they are very sloppy when they have to defend off the ball.
De Boer shows there's a big difference between having worked with Van Gaal and admiring his work, and make a team play and perform like Van Gaal. He has won four titles in a row, but there has been only one real competitor and they have been a mess. This year they managed to clean up a little and can win the title this weekend already. De Boer managed to surprise a few half hearted big clubs, but in the eredivisie he's often outsmarted tactically, and he got humiliated a few times by PEC, a £ 7 million turnover club (Ajax is about £ 70 million) and also a few times in the EL against clubs of little reputation. Van Gaal was criticized for having his team keeping possession but moving the ball around way too slow. But that was in the process of getting the players to understand the concept, De Boer has them playing much slower and in a process that's lasting 4 years with no visible progress at all. The contrary, it's getting worse, more boring and defensively less solid. He favours not very skillfull players who are very obedient and has troubles with the big mouthed ones. Most of the players he bought turned out to be a waste of money, and the ones who succeeded are useful at best, the squad is getting worse every year.

A lot of supporters, maybe the majority, wish he would go at the end of the season. That's remarkable because he's a very much liked guy, a club icon and celebrated and most capped Netherlands player. So there's a lot more to it than those titles.
 
@Dr. Funkenstein @NL Max

Interesting that you should say that about de Boer who seemed to be doing a great job from an outsider's point of view. Looking at PSV's renaissance under Cocu who also played under LvG, how does his work at PSV compare to de Boer or is it still too early to tell?
 
@Dr. Funkenstein @NL Max

Interesting that you should say that about de Boer who seemed to be doing a great job from an outsider's point of view. Looking at PSV's renaissance under Cocu who also played under LvG, how does his work at PSV compare to de Boer or is it still too early to tell?

De Boer has done a good job in my eyes. He hasn't made Ajax into a dominant side this year yet, but Dutch clubs always lose their best players. This year he's trying to cope with the loss of Blind in midfield. I think he's done great continually using youth every year, Ajax their team is very unexperienced yet always challanges for the title. This year Ajax is a bit of shambles, but I'm not willing to write this down to de Boer only. I think he's a great coach, winning the title 4 times in a row isn't just luck. They've made some bad transfers and this cost them after PSV got their sh*t together.

It's not compareable to Cocu. In his first season (last year) he arguably had a better selection than Ajax (at least equal). The season turned out a disaster, ending 3rd after a winning streak. It was PSV's first year they really implemented their youth, Cocu was still learning and made mistakes. The side was very young too after alot of changes in the summer. They lost van Bommel, Strootman, Marcelo, Mertens, Matavz (off the top of my head).

In his 2nd year he kept his most important players: Memphis, Wijnaldum, Willems and bought de Jong and Guardado. They've been great and Maher is finally stepping up too after a bad first year. They have a better selection than Ajax this year but Cocu has learned too. He doesn't try to play 'Dutch school football', he's got a rapid front 5 with target man de Jong. PSV are great on the counter but aren't the best in posession, this isn't what you normally see from Dutch teams. I wasn't impressed with Cocu last year but he's developping, it's too early to say where he will end up.
 
De Boer has done a good job in my eyes. He hasn't made Ajax into a dominant side this year yet, but Dutch clubs always lose their best players. This year he's trying to cope with the loss of Blind in midfield. I think he's done great continually using youth every year, Ajax their team is very unexperienced yet always challanges for the title. This year Ajax is a bit of shambles, but I'm not willing to write this down to de Boer only. I think he's a great coach, winning the title 4 times in a row isn't just luck. They've made some bad transfers and this cost them after PSV got their sh*t together.

It's not compareable to Cocu. In his first season (last year) he arguably had a better selection than Ajax (at least equal). The season turned out a disaster, ending 3rd after a winning streak. It was PSV's first year they really implemented their youth, Cocu was still learning and made mistakes. The side was very young too after alot of changes in the summer. They lost van Bommel, Strootman, Marcelo, Mertens, Matavz (off the top of my head).

In his 2nd year he kept his most important players: Memphis, Wijnaldum, Willems and bought de Jong and Guardado. They've been great and Maher is finally stepping up too after a bad first year. They have a better selection than Ajax this year but Cocu has learned too. He doesn't try to play 'Dutch school football', he's got a rapid front 5 with target man de Jong. PSV are great on the counter but aren't the best in posession, this isn't what you normally see from Dutch teams. I wasn't impressed with Cocu last year but he's developping, it's too early to say where he will end up.

Thanks for that. I guess it's normal for cycles to emerge as Ajax and PSV often lose their best players. I remember Ajax losing their way for a bit after the era of Ibrahimovic, Chivu, de Jong and when Koeman was in de Boer's position now and PSV stepped in for a few years. Cocu deserves credit also for reviving the careers of the likes of Wijnaldum and Willems who burst onto the scene a few years back but didn't progress as much as they should have.
 
I'm a supporter of the guy. This is his swansong and you just know he wants to succeed, go out with a bang. This summer he will have complete reins on who he brings in. The way we are playing at the moment he deserves our support and deserves to give it a really good go. Win tomorrow against City and I really expect the doubters to reconsider. Even a draw would be good to be honest. A B++ from me...an A tomorrow if we beat city :-)

Looking forward to this summer's transfers as he will really put a stamp on this side and prep us for proper league and CL runs.
 
Louis van Gaal said in a press conferences 'you must respect the commercial decisions of the club also' when he was talking about players like Angel di Maria and Falcao.

The dumb journalists never asked him to clarify his comments but it is possible the club have asked (not demanded) to see if he can get those two working because it will boost commercial revenues and put the club in a stronger position, I'm not sure what else he mean't by it.

I can't see Ed Woodward forcing him to do something but I can see him asking and Louis van Gaal trying if he has respect for the board. Successful South American players would allow us to do to that market what we have done to Asia.

Also Falcao's goal scoring record was ridiculously good, as an example in his final season at Atletico Madrid, we are talking about a player that scored 6 less goals than Ronaldo but played for a team that had much fewer shots per game (Real Madrid 1st in shots per game in La Liga that season but Atletico ranked 9th), that to me suggests in an attacking team Falcao could potentially be lethal and perform to that ridiculous goal scoring standard set by Ronaldo and Messi.

If I was aware of this I would do everything I could to get Falcao performing therefore I really don't mind the chances he was given. Even now I'm excited at the thought of Falcao averaging a goal per game, he averaged 0.82 goals per game playing for the team that took the 9th most amount of shots per game, it's such a shame it didn't work out for us.
 
'you must respect the commercial decisions of the club also'

I'm almost sure that it was a reference to the US Tour and precisely the venues played on both coasts.
 
We're within a shout of finishing 2nd, despite a massive injury crisis and a mixed bag of contributions from last summer's transfers. One or two different results (Leicester, Southampton etc) and first would still be within reach. Can't complain really.
 
We're within a shout of finishing 2nd, despite a massive injury crisis and a mixed bag of contributions from last summer's transfers. One or two different results (Leicester, Southampton etc) and first would still be within reach. Can't complain really.
Given all that has happened this season I think van Gaal has us in a solid spot at the moment.

Though it is frustrating given how if we had won just a couple more away games, things would be a lot different. It is amazing how bad we've been away from home.
 
It's a tough question, Pep aside there aren't any ready made solutions who tick all the right boxes. For some reason i believe that the board are seriously considering the possibility of Giggs becoming the first manager, not in the near future but in 5 or 6 seasons from now. I also believe that LvG is fully informed of that and he is working towards that direction.

I hope not. Nothing against Giggs but this club is too large for a first managerial job, even if the player has been in the club since age 14. And no one should bother with the "But Guardiola..." retort as it's nonsense to compare.
 
5 years of success under LVG followed by another 5 under Pep. Wouldn't complain at that.
 
the football we have been playing recently was largely based on pragmatic reason to adopt whenr we entered into the rat race period of the season. in rat race, results are the priority. other things else come second

lvg spent a large amount of time to insert his football into this football club. the first thing to do is to build a structure. and no secret his structure mainly requires those very fundamental football elements like positioning, movement, passing, triangles, team work, discipline... blablabla. even if this meant sometimes we were dire to watch when players were not used to it and did not get to it, and even cost us result. in his word, more footballers tend to play on instinct. but nonetheless we can see, a structure had been built up around the time when the second half of the season started.

no one think our current play way is an finish article. indeed, it doesn't conform much of the structure that was built up earlier. in other words, the structure has been relaxed a little bit for purpose of competing into the rat race. our current play way is highly similar to arsenal & bvb. this is a easier way to play football on possession base. but this is also a vulnerable one. the results of the both clubs tells a lot. the major characteristic of such play way is to NOT play a designated no 10. our 6 no 10s problem is eventually solved by not playing a designated one at all.

very likely we will keep our current winning equations for the rest of the season but i won't doubt lvg would definitely try to implement the total football again eventually. it won't surprise me if we will turn to another play way in the coming preseason games and even into the early games of the next season. but at least we will have an alternative way which is already very comfortable to everyone.
 
and for a few individual positions & players:

rooney as a lone striker:-
he has scored two great goals on his own. this is mainly due to rooney as a gifted player of his own. however, under the current setup this is prefer the striker as a point of attack to a just pure finisher. for we are not playing a designated no 10 the lone striker upfront shall involve to link up play to make the 4 positions behind or around him to be firing points as well. in this sense rooney indeed didn't do too good of the job. we have already seen we moved down to fill in the fellaini role when falcao was introduced in, i won't surprise if we will see more of such for the remaining games also. rooney can shine in the fellaini position also and the newcastle game is the best example.

herrera:-
we have to admit this can be not easy on one side to play herrera in midfield and on the other side you need to maiatain a balance over there. this is especially true when herrera forced himself into the no 10 role. after looking at our salary structure presented in another thread, i hope we can have a way to make him a 100k player so he knows he doesn't need statistics in order to have a decent pay (so is true for carrick also). as a midfielder you always need to cover 60 yards of place. we lost balance if he opted to be a 30 yards one

mata:-
probably we have already found him the right position that we can make the most use of his quality: to be an "outside attacking midfielder". mata can never be a prolific no 10 for a top club and he is a no winger neither. but staying at outside of the field he finds most space to explore striking opportunities and this is his strength as he is quite a fine finisher of his own also. in defense wise we only need him to do the pressing to buy time for others to regroup. he never needs to be a hard tackler even in an english game

blind as a left back:-
may i say i don't want to see shaw to come back again
 
I'm almost sure that it was a reference to the US Tour and precisely the venues played on both coasts.

This was in one of the most recent press conferences and I'm quite sure it was in relation to giving Falcao a chance, I did post something about it at the time but now I can't recall which press conference it was.

He has in the past used the term 'you must respect the commercial decisions of the club' in response to the US Tour also but that was many months ago now.
 
I hope not. Nothing against Giggs but this club is too large for a first managerial job, even if the player has been in the club since age 14. And no one should bother with the "But Guardiola..." retort as it's nonsense to compare.

I agree with you. If this season under LvG has taught us one thing, this would be the importance of having an experienced manager at the helm. I believe it's no coincidence that our season finally started to pick up at the same point Moyes' season imploded one year ago.

But it seems to me that the club wants to invest in the possibility of Giggs becoming the first manager at some point in the future. It's no secret that Kluivert was LvG's choice for assistance manager and that the board (kind of) imposed Giggs on him. There were also a few occasions when LvG spoke about Giggs' managerial future at United without even being asked. I might be reading too much into this but if that's the case, i really hope the board won't try to turn this into a self fulfilling prophecy but they will trust van Gaal's judgement on the matter instead.
 
This was in one of the most recent press conferences and I'm quite sure it was in relation to giving Falcao a chance, I did post something about it at the time but now I can't recall which press conference it was.

He has in the past used the term 'you must respect the commercial decisions of the club' in response to the US Tour also but that was many months ago now.

If it's recent, I missed it completely.

Edit: I looked and it's about Di Maria only, he said that commercially, you can't buy a player 59m, and after one season "put him out of your selection".

And he is right, when you spend that much on a player, you either play him or sell him, he can't be a simple squad player.
 
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Which cultured well travelled couple wouldnt......:wenger:
Culture comes in all shapes and sizes.. What you don't like others might love, people who are culture orientated are often open minded.. LVG looks very settled might have little to do with Manchester more with his job and the club.. And he and his wife know that after this they will spend the rest of their days doing what ever life takes them to.

Sure Klopp's stock has fallen, but I think that's a patronising view of Klopp.
I agree Klopp with money and power to hold on to his players vs the likes of Bayern and United would have build one hell of a team. Sadly for him the last chunk out was too much. But to prove himself at Arsenal and Tottenham is pushing it, for example his CL record with BVB is almost the same as Wengers in %.. And having only played 35 games in the CL he has reached the final once just like Wenger..
 
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@Dr. Funkenstein @NL Max

Interesting that you should say that about de Boer who seemed to be doing a great job from an outsider's point of view. Looking at PSV's renaissance under Cocu who also played under LvG, how does his work at PSV compare to de Boer or is it still too early to tell?
The goal is winning the title, as it is always for Ajax, and he wins it 4 times in a row, you have to say he's done a good job. I'm happy to admit that, I'm just pointing out there a lot of buts, the most important the lack of progress in level, style and European cups. That he has done a good job doesn't mean he is the finished product, or he has shown the talent for a bigger job.

Cocu is less ambitious in his style of play, De Boer tries to be an extremely influential manager like Van Gaal. Actually Cocu this year reminds me most of Hiddink in playing style: Get the triangles right and improvise from there, but don't overdo it on possession and dominance.

De Boer has done a good job in my eyes. He hasn't made Ajax into a dominant side this year yet, but Dutch clubs always lose their best players. This year he's trying to cope with the loss of Blind in midfield. I think he's done great continually using youth every year, Ajax their team is very unexperienced yet always challanges for the title. This year Ajax is a bit of shambles, but I'm not willing to write this down to de Boer only. I think he's a great coach, winning the title 4 times in a row isn't just luck. They've made some bad transfers and this cost them after PSV got their sh*t together.
Generally I agree, it's just that it should progress from the first title on, and it didn't at all and it's not very likely it will from now on. De Boer's weaknesses hold down his undeniable strengths.
 
I agree with you. If this season under LvG has taught us one thing, this would be the importance of having an experienced manager at the helm. I believe it's no coincidence that our season finally started to pick up at the same point Moyes' season imploded one year ago.
I don't think it's experience what makes the difference. They're doing completely different things, LvG is doing a full rebuild, strip it down to the bare metal and build it up again. Moyes tried to get the same result with a full service, a polish and a spraycan of 'new car smell'.

But it seems to me that the club wants to invest in the possibility of Giggs becoming the first manager at some point in the future. It's no secret that Kluivert was LvG's choice for assistance manager and that the board (kind of) imposed Giggs on him. There were also a few occasions when LvG spoke about Giggs' managerial future at United without even being asked. I might be reading too much into this but if that's the case, i really hope the board won't try to turn this into a self fulfilling prophecy but they will trust van Gaal's judgement on the matter instead.
Van Gaal always wants to connect the technical team to the traditions and the history of the club, not for sentimental reasons but because it's necessary for the harmony. But he also has little time to develop effective working relationships with people he doesn't know, because his methods are taking half a season to take effect anyway. Especially in the beginning he needs to work fast and efficient. But I'm sure he would have liked to continue with Kluivert, because I suspect Kluivert has an input that LvG can't bring himself.
 
@Dr. Funkenstein @NL Max how do you think de Boer would fare at a club with better players where he wouldn't be selling his best players as frequently as he has needed to during his tenure?
Depends on the players he starts with I guess. I don't think he's got a good eye for good players and how they would fit in. That's gonna be a problem everywhere. The fact that Ajax has to sell it's best players also is a chance to buy more talented players, which can be sold for more money 3 years later and get slightly better with every transferwindow. He didn't take that chance.
 
I don't think it's experience what makes the difference. They're doing completely different things, LvG is doing a full rebuild, strip it down to the bare metal and build it up again. Moyes tried to get the same result with a full service, a polish and a spraycan of 'new car smell'.

That is absolutely true, i was referring more to man management skills and his ability to instill a calmness in the dressing room and a belief that, despite the different formations and player selections throughout the season, all the hard work will eventually bare fruition. Both Moyes and LvG had a bumpy start but this season the players seem to have never lost faith in the work being done at Carrington. LvG must certainly be given credit for that. After all, there was a time when any references he was making to his "philosophy" were being received with ironic smiles by some fans and press. But LvG kept doing his job, he protected the team and now we're finally seeing the first results of that work. Imo this is definitely one of the skills a manager who's in charge of a massive club like United must have.
 
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