United under LvG: verdict so far!

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Van Piorsing said:
If old Manchester United won't return next season, old Louie Van Gaal shall return and heads will roll and papers will be flying from a hairdryer that not only will consume the players.

The club will have to accept his philosophy to the last drop. Woodward shall be tested heavily this summer after Sir Alex already gave further support to new boss after defeat against Arsenal at Old Trafford. This season is just a taste of what will become in next years. If Van Gaal shall not meet any resistance, he will push it until he'll change United into his football club.

He's not stupid. He'll do it in a way that everyone will love him but we may see the times where he will have the last say in who will be his successor. Almost everything is working now in his favour to be here at least five years.

If he'll like the life in England he may have some chance to become a member of the board. After all it will be already his club with everyone looking on Fergie if he has something to say.

The truth is Fergie wanted someone to take huge responsibilities of club of that size and sooner or later we all know we will see changes of United's proportion.
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Are you saying Van Gaal will throw a strop if the results don't match his expectation? Well, that's a given anyway, I think. The way I look at it is, Van Gaal has a set of principles that he wants to implement, which may or may not lead us to trophies. The man believes his methods will work and he's backed up by some impressive wins in his CV. But the fact is, we may play well but Chelsea may outspend/out think us and come out on top, or our players may never get used to the 'philosophie'. In that case, both United and Van Gaal are better off parting their own ways, but we'll know for sure that he tried his best.

I'm not sure he has enough time on his side to convert his club into Van Gaal's club. We've had two of the most legendary managers in football's history in Sir Matt and Sir Alex. Whatever Van Gaal does will always pale in comparison to these two.
 
Ugh just accidently deleted a post thinking it had duplicated itself.

Van Piorsing said:
If old Manchester United won't return next season, old Louie Van Gaal shall return and heads will roll and papers will be flying from a hairdryer that not only will consume the players.

The club will have to accept his philosophy to the last drop. Woodward shall be tested heavily this summer after Sir Alex already gave further support to new boss after defeat against Arsenal at Old Trafford. This season is just a taste of what will become in next years. If Van Gaal shall not meet any resistance, he will push it until he'll change United into his football club.

He's not stupid. He'll do it in a way that everyone will love him but we may see the times where he will have the last say in who will be his successor. Almost everything is working now in his favour to be here at least five years.

If he'll like the life in England he may have some chance to become a member of the board. After all it will be already his club with everyone looking on Fergie if he has something to say.

The truth is Fergie wanted someone to take huge responsibilities of club of that size and sooner or later we all know we will see changes of United's proportion.
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The jist of it was... I don't really see who is going to resist his methods. Aside from a few fans who miss "4-4-2 and fast wingers" the club from the top down seem to have faith in him and embrace his methods.

With that said, I don't think he will face the problems he had at Barca or Bayern. I don't think we have many egos to deal with and there just isn't the same boardroom politics. People may talk about the clubs philosophy being attacking football and a never say die attitude but more than that I think the real philosophy of the club is the respect and control the manager is afforded. That's something that is enforced from the top down and while it might seem a bit rich considering how Moyes was treated, I think Moyes was treated like that because he didn't have the authority, ability or gravitas to command that respect.

It's a bit like how we revised our stability builds success moto to success builds stability.
 
RedorDead21 said:
Hard to say at this stage as we appeared to stumble across this winning formula because of injuries in the face of a manager determined to shoe horn in the best names as if instructed so from above. The fact there was no such pressure on him to do so makes it worse not better. The coming transfer window is massive for him and us. Overpaying for average CBs or bringing in past it right backs because of their name on big wages whilst letting Rafa leave could change opinions.
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We are third, and we are confident going against Citeh instead of aspiring to be like Citeh. Whichever way you look at it, this season is a success. We may still end up on 7th losing all games from here on in, mind you.
 
Pexbo said:
Ugh just accidently deleted a post thinking it had duplicated itself.

The jist of it was... I don't really see who is going to resist his methods. Aside from a few fans who miss "4-4-2 and fast wingers" the club from the top down seem to have faith in him and embrace his methods.

With that said, I don't think he will face the problems he had at Barca or Bayern. I don't think we have many egos to deal with and there just isn't the same boardroom politics. People may talk about the clubs philosophy being attacking football and a never say die attitude but more than that I think the real philosophy of the club is the respect and control the manager is afforded. That's something that is enforced from the top down and while it might seem a bit rich considering how Moyes was treated, I think Moyes was treated like that because he didn't have the authority, ability or gravitas to command that respect.

It's a bit like how we revised our stability builds success moto to success builds stability.
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Exactly. Sir Bobby and Sir Alex as much as it sounds cruel, they won't be able to look after the club forever. David Gill took his game on another level and Woodward has loads of work to do on his image and relations with fans and coworkers. He's gonna have to focus on securing the funds which he already does by signing sponsorship deal number 9783600 after Adidas.

That opens a way for LVG and his men plus our bridge between two eras - Ryan Giggs who has much more important mission than people may think.

We're gonna have to accept the reasonable change with a big financial planning or cry for old times like Liverpool fans do from about 30 years.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Are you saying Van Gaal will throw a strop if the results don't match his expectation? Well, that's a given anyway, I think. The way I look at it is, Van Gaal has a set of principles that he wants to implement, which may or may not lead us to trophies. The man believes his methods will work and he's backed up by some impressive wins in his CV. But the fact is, we may play well but Chelsea may outspend/out think us and come out on top, or our players may never get used to the 'philosophie'. In that case, both United and Van Gaal are better off parting their own ways, but we'll know for sure that he tried his best.

I'm not sure he has enough time on his side to convert his club into Van Gaal's club. We've had two of the most legendary managers in football's history in Sir Matt and Sir Alex. Whatever Van Gaal does will always pale in comparison to these two.
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Van Gaal is at his 60's and doesn't have any health or family issues that could lead him to sudden decision. The perspective of staying to late 70's was on Fergie's mind before tragic death in his family.

There's no turning back for Louie, now. It's his last train stop and the only resistance is from some journos that he educates on every of his seminars called the press conference.
 
Van Piorsing said:
Van Gaal is at his 60's and doesn't have any health or family issues that could lead him to sudden decision. The perspective of staying to late 70's was on Fergie's mind before tragic death in his family.

There's no turning back for Louie, now. It's his last train stop and the only resistance is from some journos that he educates on every of his seminars called the press conference.
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Except for the fact that this will be his last job before he moves to Portugal. His wife wanted him to retire before he took the Netherlands' job. I don't think he'll stay after his 3 years.
 
NL Max said:
Except for the fact that this will be his last job before he moves to Portugal. His wife wanted him to retire before he took the Netherlands' job. I don't think he'll stay after his 3 years.
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:lol: Women love to complicate things.
 
Van Piorsing said:
Van Gaal is at his 60's and doesn't have any health or family issues that could lead him to sudden decision. The perspective of staying to late 70's was on Fergie's mind before tragic death in his family.

There's no turning back for Louie, now. It's his last train stop and the only resistance is from some journos that he educates on every of his seminars called the press conference.
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This is his last job and he said he may extend it by a couple of years. I don't think he has the same level of dedication that Fergie would have for United. He would definitely like to bow out in style from football, that's for sure.
 
fishfingers15 said:
This is his last job and he said he may extend it by a couple of years. I don't think he has the same level of dedication that Fergie would have for United. He would definitely like to bow out in style from football, that's for sure.
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Juggernaut of an institution both football and financial where he can do whatever he wants and for how long he wants is probably a tempting life even for an old geezer like him.

If he'll retire because of the family business we'll all understand but he'll need to prepare this team for a new boss anyway whether it's Giggs or Guardiola. That also means pretty much the same changes he has in plans anyway, imo.
 
I'm sure he said he might be here 5 years at one of the recent conferences which is a decent spell really, I'd take that.
 
On the 26th March last year this is what Moyes had to say after losing at home to City 0-3.

Moyes told Sky Sports: "I think we've played a very good side and it's the sort of standard and level we need to try and aspire to get ourselves to at this moment in time.

1 year later we are a point ahead of City with 7 games to go.

Sunday is a huge game but we've already come along way from 'aspiring to be like city!'
 
NL Max said:
Except for the fact that this will be his last job before he moves to Portugal. His wife wanted him to retire before he took the Netherlands' job. I don't think he'll stay after his 3 years.
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LvG has already said that he can extend his contract if he wants. Doesn't sound like he might quit after three years if he is already talking like this.
 
NL Max said:
Except for the fact that this will be his last job before he moves to Portugal. His wife wanted him to retire before he took the Netherlands' job. I don't think he'll stay after his 3 years.
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True, but apparently his wife and him are loving life in Manchester.
 
Sultan said:
@noodlehair says is pretty much correct.

Signing Falcao probably ended up costing us challenging for the title. Trying to integrate him and an out of form RvP into the team made/force LvG into some very odd selections and formations. Not a nice thing to say but also the injury to RvP has been very timely.

Who'd have thought having arguably the 2 best forwards in the world would end up causing the team to not function?
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Yes, agreed. It seems crazy but I put down all our attacking woes down to RvP and Falcao and I can understand why Van Gaal persisted with two such highly rated players as long as he did. The fact they've both remained crap as long as they did is as surprising as it is disappointing. FWIW trying to find a way to get the best out of Di Maria has hurt us too. I don't think it's a coincidence that our best results came after he no longer had an automatic place in our starting XI.

The defensive woes are more straightforward. Injuries. Injuries and the lack of an experienced leader at the back. Trying to compensate didn't help our attacking football but credit where it's due for finding a way to grind as many results as we did with the defenders we had. Who knows where we'd be now if we hadn't gone all in on glamour signings like Falcao and Di Maria and signed a world class CB instead?
 
He has total control of the football, we will become whatever he wants us to be, I'm quite sure this football club can replace his wife.
 
Empire said:
He has total control of the football, we will become whatever he wants us to be, I'm quite sure this football club can replace his wife.
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But will we ever sleep 'spoony spoony' with him, or see how flexible he is? What about his golden d*ck?

I don't dismiss he could extend his contract, but he probably won't stay much longer than 3 years. He's a family man and I think alot will depend on if he wins the PL in this time.
 
RedorDead21 said:
Hard to say at this stage as we appeared to stumble across this winning formula because of injuries in the face of a manager determined to shoe horn in the best names as if instructed so from above. The fact there was no such pressure on him to do so makes it worse not better. The coming transfer window is massive for him and us. Overpaying for average CBs or bringing in past it right backs because of their name on big wages whilst letting Rafa leave could change opinions.
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That's really harsh. The reason we now play good football and have a proper line up is down to good work by LVG and the team, and not just some luck. This season, LVG made some strange decisions that we couldnt really understand but we've been doing extremely well lately and he looks settled as well. Good things will come!
 
Escobar said:
That's really harsh. The reason we now play good football and have a proper line up is down to good work by LVG and the team, and not just some luck. This season, LVG made some strange decisions that we couldnt really understand but we've been doing extremely well lately and he looks settled as well. Good things will come!
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Agree. Considering the time he's been around in football and the success he's had, the amount of prep his team does between games, it's very harsh to say it's been stumbled upon.

He's definitely made mistakes this year, while adapting to a new league but he's meticulous and gives off the impression that nothing is left to chance. We had some pretty dreary times in January, February and my patience was tested, no doubt. But the man is a winner and it's pretty clear we're in good hands.

Next year is going to be interesting though. Mourinho will be tough to budge, Arsenal look like they could be on the verge of something, City could come again with whoever they appoint in the summer. Should be hell of a title race.
 
I think LvG will definitely want to retire from football on a high.

A lot will depend on how much success he has in the remainder of his contract.

He has done very well, considering the challenges he has faced this season and I don't see why I wouldn't want him to stay till the end of the contract.
 
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That's a really difficult graph to read.
 
Pexbo said:
That's a really difficult graph to read.
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Was just gonna say that. Who thinks rotating the xy-plane into the screen is a good way to present data with x-points that close to each other? Jesus wept.
 
carlosp said:
We beat Arsenal away in the league 0-1. We lost in the FA Cup.

Our loss was against Swansea who beat us home and away.
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Think he meant drop in possession. I mean, it's not like he says "we still won that" in the rest of his post...
 
Van Piorsing said:
The club will have to accept his philosophy to the last drop. Woodward shall be tested heavily this summer after Sir Alex already gave further support to new boss after defeat against Arsenal at Old Trafford. This season is just a taste of what will become in next years. If Van Gaal shall not meet any resistance, he will push it until he'll change United into his football club.
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You make it sound like he's interested in having rather than doing. Yes, he's a control freak and he wants power, but not for the sake of having it, but for the sake of winning. Winning with him as the manager, and after that. He certainly wants to change the style of football for years to come, like he did at Bayern. As Bayern did, United knew that needed a big long term change to become great again.
 
He'll want his second Champions League title and if he thinks he's close to getting it at the end of his contract he'll extend it I think. He seems far too competitive and he'll want to join the likes of Fergie, Mourinho, Guardiola, Hitzfeld etc with multiple European Cups.

If he wins it within 3 years I think he'll retire there and then.
 
The last couple of games have been a revelation.

Good to see the players working together and pulling in the same direction. After the few too many capitulations under Moyesie last season its goos to see them playing the way they are.

Have to think that the pressure from the away fans to attack attack attack had something to do with the change to 433/451.

Carrick coming back has been massive too. Hes added some confidence to the midfield.

All in all, have to say things are going in the right direction.
 
Skills said:
He'll want his second Champions League title and if he thinks he's close to getting it at the end of his contract he'll extend it I think. He seems far too competitive and he'll want to join the likes of Fergie, Mourinho, Guardiola, Hitzfeld etc with multiple European Cups.

If he wins it within 3 years I think he'll retire there and then.
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If he's enjoying himself and thinks there's more to get out of the squad he'll chase a second with us.

Fergie knocked Liverpool off their domestic perch, Louis can put an end to that ridiculous 5 times gesture.
 
I've been pretty calm all season because I trust van Gaal, it's probably blind faith because I didn't know much about him up 'til he was actually appointed but I've been happy with his overall contribution this season.
 
Dr. Funkenstein said:
You make it sound like he's interested in having rather than doing. Yes, he's a control freak and he wants power, but not for the sake of having it, but for the sake of winning. Winning with him as the manager, and after that. He certainly wants to change the style of football for years to come, like he did at Bayern. As Bayern did, United knew that needed a big long term change to become great again.
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Having and doing have lot in common especially if you have Sir Alex at your side defending you after defeat at Old Trafford against Arsenal. If you have, you can do more. Simple.

Can't disagree with all the reforms he executed in Munich. Some say Bayern still have some of Van Gaal's football culture in veins and now Old Trafford is almost on the brink of becoming a fortress.

He's a smart builder and always pre-prepared with a plan on the plan that is pre-prepared on the emergency plan. Everything looks under control... and everything will be even more in time.
 
I have had my moment of doubts, but as season goes, I'd say I am happy with our performance and results.
 
tombombadil said:
I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

So do you want LvG here for the long term or not?

Do you think LvG is good for us or not?
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I've found that with a few of his posts. It's like reading a Noel Fielding script converted into olde English before being encrypted some times.

To have is to do but he won't be happy if he cannot the power should be his if he can't it won't be to do as he pleases and I think he might be happy about his misery of not controlling the absolute control of the club because if he does then I can't see him not being unhappy about being unhappy.
 
Pexbo said:
I've found that with a few of his posts. It's like reading a Noel Fielding script converted into olde English before being encrypted some times.

To have is to do but he won't be happy if he cannot the power should be his if he can't it won't be to do as he pleases and I think he might be happy about his misery of not controlling the absolute control of the club because if he does then I can't see him not being unhappy about being unhappy.
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Wow... this is like a Lord of the Ring quote!!! I vote for Van Gaal to stay but realistically, he might need to leave to please his wife and get a retirement.
 
Pexbo said:
I've found that with a few of his posts. It's like reading a Noel Fielding script converted into olde English before being encrypted some times.

To have is to do but he won't be happy if he cannot the power should be his if he can't it won't be to do as he pleases and I think he might be happy about his misery of not controlling the absolute control of the club because if he does then I can't see him not being unhappy about being unhappy.
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lol, I'm glad I'm not alone. :D

Maybe he's translating from another language or something and it gets all messy.
 
Escobar said:
That's really harsh. The reason we now play good football and have a proper line up is down to good work by LVG and the team, and not just some luck. This season, LVG made some strange decisions that we couldnt really understand but we've been doing extremely well lately and he looks settled as well. Good things will come!
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I agree. As much as the injury to Falcao and van Persie forced Rooney to play up top again, he also has a stroke of genius of playing Mata as this weird playmaking role from the right wing. Injuries may play a part, but he also made good decisions by himself
 
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