No the man did his job for us he deserves to enjoy his retirement. I'd go all out to bring Klopp in, I've wanted him ever since SAF said he was retiring.
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No the man did his job for us he deserves to enjoy his retirement. I'd go all out to bring Klopp in, I've wanted him ever since SAF said he was retiring.
Everyone knows that, but the fact remains, whether he is capable of saving us the spot after getting where we are now. I think since he took charge, fans and the media alike (and i believe the board most importantly) have been very nice to and gentle with him (thanks to Moyes).
The pressure on him has been way less than he should have been given. If he does not start to become more aggressive (Damn his being a realist, pragmatism has no place in football or sports as a whole). Be more assertive and passionate, then the players might get an idea of some urgency in there!!!!
Sir Alex always pushed for a win even losing/drawing didn't matter on the table. Learn something Louis!
Sure! also would take Mourinho, or Busby, or Jehovah,
oh wait, none of them are realistic options either, so why ask?
I really think he needs to get his ass of the bench and make his presence known on the touchline to the players and the refs if things are going badly, SAF was 70 years old and on the touchline
In a heartbeat. No questions asked.
With 3 points for a win 2 wins and 3 losses is better than 5 draws but this is not a philosophy that LVG seems to believe in. He is always on about only 2 losses in 22 games while it's the draws that are killing us. every draw is 2 points dropped for a top table team.
You don't know that! No one knows that for sure
A resounding YES of course. And I am 110% sure we would get third
It's what pisses me off a lot as well. Seriously when the feck did Ferguson ever say shite like that to cover up for himself.
Absolutely yes.
Yeah, drawing is not too dissimilar to someone on some IV drips preparing to slowly die!
I know why you say so. It's like asking if you wish Santa to come to your house to give you presents? You are too rational to admit that's your dream all along. Boring!
It wouldn't be worthwhile just until the end of the season. 10 games. What will that lead to us?
Will say if we started this season with Fergie we'd be challenging with the league with this squad.
The coaching setup Ferguson had seemed perfect. I've heard Fergie just sat in his office for most of the time, whilst he delegated tasks to his coaching team who did the business. Maybe we should have let Rene and Phelan take over.
No, because it wouldn't solve anything even if it did mean we'd for sure make top 4, which it wouldn't!
I wish that people would just let go of the past a little and Fergie in particular. The man's GONE, get over it already.
Those saying yes on SAF question...true NOW people. Who cares about future and after.I think if the squad achieve something in the last 10 games, it will give them the confidence in themselves (that they are indeed capable of performing). The club will be energised and revitalised again. There are just too many benefits to name here. But it would be hugely unfair to the great man to interrupt his retirement. I can imagine how heart broken it is for him to witness the club quickly crumbling.
You can't tell me that a member of the Glazers family / board hasn't seriously thought about asking the great man the question...
As if you nay sayer knows the future and after looks quite bright!? You are having a laugh mate
This, please just this, please for the good of all our sanity dont bring him up.
I've argued against this before. Theoretically speaking you are correct, of course. But it can't be stated how damaging losing can be. It sets in a rot mentality that we saw last season. If you lose 3 out of 5 games, I'd really worry about the state of mind of the squad going into the next 5.
It's been many years since Van Gaal had any team playing good football on a consistent level.
What a disgraceful suggestion. Fergie is United, and not bringing him up in a forum discussion is plain wrong!
Ask the Bayern fans on here, a lot of them said the football they played wasn't even that good.
Look it's a fanciful question, and not one I ask in all seriousness - along the same lines of "who would you buy from our summer warchest".
But it raises an intesting scenario and argument to if you think that in 10 games Fergie could guide us into the top 4 over the scousers. Would he get more from this team over LvG...
If he was asked the question, surely he would be tempted... if nothing else it's a new chapter for his next book
On paper he had ability. But when was the last time he managed a club and won big? It seems people gave him too much respect than he deserved. He needs to change and improve when managing United. This is a whole different league and a different ball game
I think we should be looking into alternatives
We had one experiment (Moyes) and it was a disaster, so I wouldnt want any more experiments
From here on in, we need to ensure we only hire the absolute best managers, who have a history of getting results at big clubs.
I think Klopp needs to move to a smaller team (like Tottenham or similar). If he does well there, then he would be worthy for consideration of a big club like Bayern, Barca, Real, Man Utd (or similar).
At present, we have to stand by LVG, no matter what because getting a 4th manager in as many years will be an absolute disaster.
We always talk about the Utd way of standing behind managers - well a 4th manager in 4 years will be the total opposite of the Utd way. Even Chelsea or Man City aren't that bad.
And with regards to bringing back Fergie for 10 games - I see no point in this. This is just elongating the transitional (no trophies) time.
You want a 4th manager in 4 years?
And then he goes again...
Manchester United have to find a way to be successful without him
We should have got Mourinho in when we had the chance. He has that pedigree, the understanding of the modern game and the winning mentality to show there is life after Ferguson at the club. Those first few years were the most important as we had to maintain our status while others try to seize advantage. We have failed and now have to do it the hard way.
It depends on the manager though. Under Fergie, there is always a "come back stronger" mentality instilled in players. Theres no doubt about it.
Oh yea,like sacking LvG,bringing Fergie for 10 games just so he could give us top 4 (even if that),then he leaves again and we are back in same shit just with soft reset.Yep thats great for our future,it looks like you could not be able to handle one more year without watching us in CL.
Tell me if you have to pick one of 2,which one will be? 1) That we reach top 4 this season and miss on next one or 2) We miss it this season and reach next one?
My suggestion to you though is to stop thinking about and hence stop discussion what if. Mou is not available and he would never be a United manager. Stop fantasising him! And you were accusing us of bringing up Fergie from time to time.
But would Mourinho have chosen us over Chelsea?
Stupid question. I'd much rather get Champions league this year. The prize and television money is absolutely massive, and we can attract some good players in the summer as well.
Obviously in relation to the idea of him being mentioned as an option to solve our woes.
Dont know why I have to write this to make it clear, did you think I meant we should try to forget his 24 year legacy, the statue and the stand named after him?
Or maybe that fecking useless waste of space Moyes could have left things in place for a season instead of importing Everton's backroom staff. Anyway, it's all water under the bridge now, but this bloody philosophy nonsense is beginning to grate. Seems like it boils down to hanging on to the ball, taking no risks, and playing at a snail's pace. I still can't believe he left Mata on the bench while letting Fellaini blunder his way around.
All of our arguments were subjective but you can't say yours is more convincing. The importance of getting european games is so important this year (1. what players will want to come to us if we are two year in a row san europe football??? 2. what message are we sending to the rest of the football world if we fail again this time? 3. what about financial implication?
4. we are fast become a laughing stock and being in Europe at least give players and fans some dignity
5. The future will be brighter when we are able to participate in the CL... the list goes on
Let it go...
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