Both. That and the fact that the PL is far more competitive than it used to be.
The days of beating someone like Ipswich 9-1 are long gone.
United under LvG: verdict so far!
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Both. That and the fact that the PL is far more competitive than it used to be.
The days of beating someone like Ipswich 9-1 are long gone.
He doesnt walk the talk and his decisions are just baffling. Things that are clearly not working are not changed and we play as poor as ever. Being dominated by Burnley at home is just not good enough and against another team, we'd have lost again
Lost again? You do know we've won more than we have lost, that's why we're third. The table doesn't lie.
Yes we did but tough games are coming up and if we struggle against Burnley, it wont be easier against the top teams
It doesn't always work like that.
You would be right if we usually played well and fumbles against Burnley. But the fact is we've played shit for ages now. Nobody can get away with that and expect to be champions
The strangest thing is that we are doing well or better against the better teams (last seasons Top 5) and against the lower Teams we struggle more.
Having said that, as bad as things seem to be we are grinding out results and this time last year was much worse, in here and on the pitch. Will wait for a final conclusion after we played arse, Pool, City and Chelsea again ...
Having said that, as bad as things seem to be we are grinding out results and this time last year was much worse, in here and on the pitch. Will wait for a final conclusion after we played arse, Pool, City and Chelsea again ...
We've already played all the "tough" teams this season and only lost to city, whilst being down to 10 men and we were very unlucky then!
Stop throwing around facts and let people moan some more
I wasn't expecting to be Champions though. I have been as disappointed as anyone with some performances – I was at OT for the Southampton game and left feeling so deflated.
But somehow we are third, and the run we've had is unbelievable. Could you see that ever happening under Moyes?
LVG is doing something right somehow. And, in a way, I don't think playing someone like Burnley is any easier than playing Chelsea. They don't have the quality, but every team in this league now is well organised, highly motivated and super fit.
Often Utd under Fergie used to win because of quality but also work rate and aggression. That gap is no longer there, for anyone, including the likes of Chelsea.
if you read it well you would find out that I didn't mean only today's game, read it again.-) I said also with McNair that he deserved to start but he is one of van Gaal's favourite players you can't deny that as well as that Rafael would do much better at RB, almost anybody would do better that day tbf but that happens.
RVP is like Grant Holt he become 100% dependent on his players. I believe we could do with better strikers as we are top club not mid table club but obviously some people like you still believe that he is a top player
. The comparison with Holt was a little bit too much as Van perise is slightly better but their movement is about the same. Smalling made two big mistakes but everyone did that day it was messy that day with Evans back and MCNair and Rojo as full-backs, Smalling also made some great tackles, blocks and headers but obviously you are picky and rather choose to criticize him than praise him, we could concede another three goals if it wasn't him. Let alone that we don't really play with midfield and defensive midfielder in second half.. He was by far the best MOTM, Dimaria although very good at times, lost immense number of balls yesterday, never seen so many misplaced passes. Some of them set Burnley on counter so I wouldn't consider him as MOTM at all, if you picked him.. You better read and think about this shit again untill you start to call it shit .-)
if you read it well you would find out that I didn't mean only today's game, read it again.-) I said also with McNair that he deserved to start but he is one of van Gaal's favourite players you can't deny that as well as that Rafael would do much better at RB, almost anybody would do better that day tbf but that happens.
RVP is like Grant Holt he become 100% dependent on his players. I believe we could do with better strikers as we are top club not mid table club but obviously some people like you still believe that he is a top player
Smalling made two big mistakes but everyone did that day it was messy that day with Evans back and MCNair and Rojo as full-backs, Smalling also made some great tackles, blocks and headers but obviously you are picky and rather choose to criticize him than praise him, we could concede another three goals if it wasn't him. Let alone that we don't really play with midfield and defensive midfielder in second half.. He was by far the best MOTM, Dimaria although very good at times, lost immense number of balls yesterday, never seen so many misplaced passes. Some of them set Burnley on counter so I wouldn't consider him as MOTM at all, if you picked him.. You better read and think about this shit again untill you start to call it shit .-)
I think Smalling gets a very easy ride on here. Yes he made some good challenges, but he's been voted a 7 for God's sake.
He is very rarely error free. Truly world class defenders are often so.
strawman argument. No one has said. But thngs were never this bad. This is just horrid horrid football and most of it is the managers fault.
It's a strange one. A great league position, only a few points behind City BUT tonnes of money spent and playing AWFUL football. By awful I mean that it's been the least entertaining United team I've ever seen (I'm 23). The 'you haven't seen the dark days' brigade will chuckle at my age and call me ungrateful but given the fact that in the summer we spent £60M on one of the world's most exciting attackers, and paid £5M to have one of the world's best strikers on loan for a season, the shite football we've played is pretty shocking.
Plenty have said words to that effect. All you have to do is read the threads.
And you're doing it now. So things were never this bad? Last season spring to mind?
While I agree with that sentiment, he's been playing the diamond with a number of players out of position, in a team that lacks balance. I don't think he was right all along, yes it's quite an attacking formation, but that only gets further exposed when the four in the diamond are Blind, Rooney, Di Maria and Januzaj
I was talking about Fergie, not Moyes.
And no, most people can admit we weren't exactly brilliant under Fergie in his final season. Still a million miles away from this shit.
Not but that is the main aim isn't it? To get back to being champions? I know the first season is barely even finished but Louis' making some really poor decisions and seems to be happy persisting with them, worryingly enough. And thinking big picture, we're not going to get back to being top dog or even contend for Champions League spots next season if this dross continues. He talks a beautiful game but it just sucks the life out of us. Not the opposition mind you who cut us apart easily enough. Only De Gea has been keeping us in it.
Im left open mouthed at some comments on Redcafe lately.
If we win, you moan. Lose, you moan more. Even if we win with great football you see comments saying it was down to how bad the opposition were.
Get laid, enjoy being 3rd rather then 7th last season. Personally I see progress.
If we win, you moan. Lose, you moan more. Even if we win with great football you see comments saying it was down to how bad the opposition were.
Get laid, enjoy being 3rd rather then 7th last season. Personally I see progress.
Of course it's the aim. But expecting to be Champions is different. In fact I don't believe we expected it even under Fergie.
I remember Fergie making some very strange tactical decisions and team selections. But he won. Remind you of anyone?
The style of play is missing, sure, but I think it will come.
Agree completely! I don't know what's going on here lately! Too many people listening to the media!
I have suspicion some must be ABU's in disguise!
Well yes, because that was Fergie. And the point is?
Because if we keep on playing like this we are counting on pure luck to get us into the top 4.
'Tonnes of money spent' is a half truth. Tonnes of money spent in one transfer window certainly, but this team wasn't built in a single window. City & Chelsea have spent a lot more than us over the last 6 seasons. We've only spent a little more than Liverpool over that period. We're making up for years of underinvestment.
There's no point. I was replying to a post which made some ridiculous claims.
So we're third in the table because of pure luck is that what you're saying?
A mixture of a semi decent run on our part, luck and everyone else being shite. Unfortunately that's not going to last for the entire season.
You have to remember that being United manager is one of a few jobs in the world where the fans demand not only results, but great, attacking football as well - its not either / or
Ah ok, so it isn't all down to luck then. Thought not.
Don't be stupid, you can't go unbeaten for 18 games relying on luck!
Well, we have.
Wow
So everyone else being shite isn't going to last the season but us being shite will?
Some people are been incredibly harsh to LvG on here, people seem to forget that we lost the best 2 CB's, and LB potentially this club has ever seen, and Giggs, yes maybe they didn't play so much but there influence would have been huge.
What did we replace them with? A limited Rojo, and a injury ravaged Shaw, this is what has hampered our progress IMO , since the Leicester result everything is about protecting the defence, constant system changes, no Herrera, Rooney in midfield because he is trusted more defensively, and the manager having to ask players to play it safe when we're in front.
Added to that we seem to have an imposter in a full on Falcao suit in our team that LvG must be under pressure to play, and Di Maria clearly struggling to adapte I find it amazing he has us third, and can't think of many other managers that would have us there under a similar set of circumstances, bearing this in mind once he cracks the system, loses Falcao, and buys a decent Cb then we could be amazing.
What did we replace them with? A limited Rojo, and a injury ravaged Shaw, this is what has hampered our progress IMO , since the Leicester result everything is about protecting the defence, constant system changes, no Herrera, Rooney in midfield because he is trusted more defensively, and the manager having to ask players to play it safe when we're in front.
Added to that we seem to have an imposter in a full on Falcao suit in our team that LvG must be under pressure to play, and Di Maria clearly struggling to adapte I find it amazing he has us third, and can't think of many other managers that would have us there under a similar set of circumstances, bearing this in mind once he cracks the system, loses Falcao, and buys a decent Cb then we could be amazing.
Wow
So everyone else being shite isn't going to last the season but us being shite will?
Where have I said that?
I'm saying we desperately need to improve, not that we won't. Learn to read.
http://transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-last-five-seasons.html
Only £5M difference in net spend over 5 years between us and chelsea according to this
So then whats the problem? We're not playing great football yet we're 3rd, 5 points off second and we can only improve?
So then whats the problem? We're not playing great football yet we're 3rd, 5 points off second and we can only improve?
We're also 5 points from 7th. Hate to be a doom and gloom, but it can always get worse.
I've not been happy with LVG but if he gets us in the top 4 then fair play. We'll have to step it up massively next season though.
Net is another half truth. Net tells you how canny your manager is at wheeling and dealing, or how well your club is run.
Gross is what you need to look at when you consider the cost of the team you put out on the pitch.
I don't think it's luck that we're not losing, I think LVG has us set up not to lose rather than win, I think that Leicester game is stuck in his head, which is a shame. When I say things can only get better, I meant performance wise, which I think they will.
I think we will step it up next season, we'll sign new players, hopefully a world class defender and a world class midfielder, leaving Rooney free to go back up front
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