3-5-2 is garbage, playing Di Maria out of position, playing Rooney out of position, not utilizing Rafael and Herrera for some reason, continuing to give useless James Wilson games...enough is enough.
United under LvG: verdict so far!
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I kind of wish he hadn't done so well at the World cup... even if he failed here ,at Manchester United, people would still talk about him as a miracle worker on his last day because he won 3rd WC title with an average Holland nation team.
Really, the man is almost retire, he already had his last hurray , job at United is only a bonus, I don't see him taking it as if his life depended on it...
Really, the man is almost retire, he already had his last hurray , job at United is only a bonus, I don't see him taking it as if his life depended on it...
What?
He was lucky that QPR are diabolically shit. Any half decent team would have punished us on the counter today.
Dreadful but LVG is capable of getting results, something Moyes couldn't really do.
I can now see why LVG falls out with some many teams. There's stubborn and there's this, sticking with something that doesn't work game after game is just insane.
It's still early to judge and IMO he needs time but I'm starting to have little doubts about him.
It's still early to judge and IMO he needs time but I'm starting to have little doubts about him.
True verdicts will only be made at the end of the season but so far I can only say I've been massively underwhelmed by the manager and his countless weird and stupid decisions.
Despite having the same amount of points after 21 games, right?
Yea no, let's just drop this 'what moyes couldn't do' shit after what we're seeing nowadays because it's comical.
I just don't understand this 352 thing, and playing players out of position. Perhaps he has some sort of master plan in the works but at the moment it just isn't bearing fruit.
Moyes won us plenty of games against the cannon fodder away from home.
Think I've scratched my head over more LVG decisions than Moyes decisions. That says a lot.
I mean Phil Jones on corner duty? I've seen it all.
I don't see the point in constantly comparing him to Moyes if the case is to defend LvG.
The football under Moyes was bad, the results were bad and ditto for LvG.
Can we all just accept that both managers, at the half way point in their respective seasons, have not shown the qualities to be our long term manager?
I'd love LvG to prove me wrong but there is little to say i'm wrong.
Everyman and his dog could have made a change before half time today and had us playing better but he just fails to see it. It is, and will, cost us a CL spot.
He will claim a tactical victory for beating relegation fodder today but in truth we could have put these aside very easily today but opted for his god awful 352.
The football under Moyes was bad, the results were bad and ditto for LvG.
Can we all just accept that both managers, at the half way point in their respective seasons, have not shown the qualities to be our long term manager?
I'd love LvG to prove me wrong but there is little to say i'm wrong.
Everyman and his dog could have made a change before half time today and had us playing better but he just fails to see it. It is, and will, cost us a CL spot.
He will claim a tactical victory for beating relegation fodder today but in truth we could have put these aside very easily today but opted for his god awful 352.
It's simple for me now, if we don't get top 4 then LvG has to go.
I was obviously talking about results against the bigger teams, not today. You played anyone decent under Moyes and you expected to lose and we often did.
Only two teams had beaten QPR at Loftus Road this season before us.
We'd have probably given a similar performance even with a back four. Same for the Southampton game.
It's weird how the more we play a back 3/5, the better we apparently would be if only we played a back four.
People will really be scratching their heads when we eventually play a back four and don't suddenly look amazing.
Same goes for Di Maria. People will be scratching their heads when he moves a few yards back and still has an average game.
I know he's better than Moyes but you have to take into consideration all the money he has spent, players like Di Maria win you games. Moyes wasn't smart enough to have that, LVG has that going for him.
If he plays the 3-5-2 one more time I'm off the LVG bandwagon.
It's such a criminal misuse of our squad.
It's such a criminal misuse of our squad.
You heard me
40 points! Get in!
Are we though? The stats tell us one thing, but when watching us play, I actually wait to see which player will needlessly and hopelessly play an inept pass to the opposition - when we have the ball and are trying to build play from deep, I'm more concerned with us turning over possession than I am about us actually doing anything constructive or productive with the ball. It's surreal, and depressing at the same time that in each game, almost without fail, the above scenario will unfold and usually ends with De Gea bailing us out, yet again.
I'd actually prefer if we were boring, but competent, instead, we're a quivering wreck of uncertainty with and without the ball.
The system we're playing is beyond our players and LVG is supposed to see that and rectify it, but instead, he's making it worse and worse by trying to force even more square shapes into circle holes. If he keeps his insistence up with playing this way, we're all going to be biting our nails wondering if we'll even make top 4.
We look disjointed. Creating barely feck all. Playing players out if position. I'm starting to worry this guy is an egomaniac who wants to prove people wrong on this crap system. So far he's been the architect of negative, dull football.
If it's true the away fans said 442 then he knows he's on the rack.
If it's true the away fans said 442 then he knows he's on the rack.
We have Blind, Herrera, Carrick, Fellaini and AdM who can play as midfielders. I believe this sample is big enough to start playing 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1. Playing 3-5-2 does not make us less vulnerable at the back. It just allows us to kick the ball in our own half, thus either putting us under unnecessary pressure which results in passing back to DDG or hoofing the ball up the pitch by defenders themselves. I am sure if we practice 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 properly, we will have no need to revert to this suicidal 3-5-2.
And you play away to ANYONE under LvG and you don't expect to win.
Verdict so far: Poor.
Have there been any recent quotes on the fitness of Shaw and Rafael? I don't get where they both disappeared to.
He needs to buy some players, our midfield was non existent yet again. Plus you already know what the formation is going to be against the mighty Cambridge United. He's been a major disappointment so far.
On the bright side, good win today. We absolutely needed those 3 points and now we need to go on a massive win streak again because we are left in this position where other teams are coming right after us when we should have left them in the dirt.
On the bright side, good win today. We absolutely needed those 3 points and now we need to go on a massive win streak again because we are left in this position where other teams are coming right after us when we should have left them in the dirt.
Is it just me or the tide has turned against him in this forum?
No people are baffled by his crazyness now and dull football.
There are already many posts about board needing to make big decisions and similar.
If he does a Mourinho and sticks to the same players every week that are fighting for him then we can finish in the top 4 and that will be a huge relief for the club and Van Gaal will have earned his corn.
At the end of the day we badly need an experienced central midfielder and an experienced defender, problems that weren't addressed by Moyes while we still had the pull of the champions league. I understand that LVG wanted to give the likes of Smalling and Fellaini a chance this year instead of spending more money. He's been somewhat vindicated by those choices.
He needs to stick with players like Fellaini and Valencia and the same defence each week.....and he needs to stop giving chances to players not performing such as Herrera, Mata, Blackett......get the cheque book out Louise so that we can switch to 433! By next summer though I've no doubt Van Gaal will complete the team with players we need if we finish in top 4.
At the end of the day we badly need an experienced central midfielder and an experienced defender, problems that weren't addressed by Moyes while we still had the pull of the champions league. I understand that LVG wanted to give the likes of Smalling and Fellaini a chance this year instead of spending more money. He's been somewhat vindicated by those choices.
He needs to stick with players like Fellaini and Valencia and the same defence each week.....and he needs to stop giving chances to players not performing such as Herrera, Mata, Blackett......get the cheque book out Louise so that we can switch to 433! By next summer though I've no doubt Van Gaal will complete the team with players we need if we finish in top 4.
What?
We had 3 experienced defenders playing under Moyes in Rio, Vidic & Evra. The only reason why we never had experienced midfielders was because Carrick was out for a while with his ankle injury and Fletcher was battling his illness, we also messed up with not picking up Herrera too.
Any horseshit formation/side that requires antonio fecking valencia is a side i'm not interested in supporting. Ive had enough of this. He is absolute garbage, yet nobody on the team has been given as many chances as he has over the past three years. He has more lives than a cat.
Don't believe that result was down to the manager. He lucked out against a really rubbish team.
That team wouldn't have beat a top team no way. What a disjointed lot that was.
That team wouldn't have beat a top team no way. What a disjointed lot that was.
I think many, like me, have failed to see the overall improvement that he promised. He still needs to convince me but there is no way I'm saying get him out.
Twitter however....
Make no mistake, if he insists on this formation we will not finish top four. Impossible. We are hanging on, barely, as it stands but we will continue to get found out as soon as we play a half decent team.
[QUOTE="Hed Zitin, post: 16984863, member: 59195"]Don't believe that result was down to the manager. He lucked out against a really rubbish team.
That team wouldn't have beat a top team no way. What a disjointed lot that was.[/QUOTE]
He made the tactical changes that ended up winning the match, no?
That team wouldn't have beat a top team no way. What a disjointed lot that was.[/QUOTE]
He made the tactical changes that ended up winning the match, no?
In his defence, we have played better using this formation playing against better teams. We seem to struggle against weaker opposition when playing it.
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