Worth is relative. Right now he's not. If he sign him for that amount and he flops, he's not. If we sign him and he becomes a top keeper for us for 15 years, it's a brilliant deal... That's why we spent big on Rooney, for instance.
United Open Talks With De Gea ?
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Worth is relative. Right now he's not. If he sign him for that amount and he flops, he's not. If we sign him and he becomes a top keeper for us for 15 years, it's a brilliant deal... That's why we spent big on Rooney, for instance.
Rooney was playing out of his skin for a player of his age. De Gea is not! That is why we spent so much on Rooney. Come on now, Buffon is 20M and this lad is 18M?
They should all be in the same price range with the exception of Lloris who'd probably be slightly more expensive. Don't believe everything that media say, De Gea won't cost £18m.
From what I hear - and I admit I haven't seen much of him this season - De Gea is also doing brilliantly for a player of his age. Even if we don't see him as much as Rooney at Everton. I'd rather spend 18m on De Gea than 20m on Buffon, with his back problems. Again, it's not a question of worth, more a question of potential. I'd still expect a lower sum, though, if and when.
Lloris is not going to be more expensive than this lad. GK's usually don't cost more than 20M. I would rather spend the same amount of money on someone like Lloris who has proven himself to be one of the world's best in both Europe and the World Cup.
Lloris is going to be more expensive. He plays Lyon who are a top side and very good at getting high fees for their players. Mind you I don't expect any goalkeeper in the current market to be that expensive for a simple reason that all rich clubs already have goalkeepers - perhaps City will be after one because they're City and will want to piss us off as Hart is a completely fine goalkeeper who should play, but other than that I cannot see any other rich clubs going after one. Well, Milan will want to sign someone but they are broke.
Arsenal?
Has he? Not in the World Cup...
Normally I wouldn't even entertain the thought of signing a keeper so young as De Gea. But I've been slightly underwhelmed when seeing the more experienced goalkeepers we were linked with.
Akinfeev is no better than PIG. Adler is a different story, but you look at that YouTube clip and you get cold feet. Sure, every player can be made to look good or bad in a clip like that, but that's a really bad one. A terrible mix.
I'd prefer Neuer, but I'm not sold on either him or Lloris. I see both as keepers who need to improve in order to fit in at United. They can do that, but they can also fail. That's why a punt on a younger keeper who could be brilliant is not so far fetched.
I've seen quite a lot of De Gea and he is superb, most importantly he carries the presence of a top keeper. My only worry is that he doesn't seem too keen to move this early in his career.
He was good in the WC, its just France's defense was woeful. If PIG is as good as Akinfeev, then how come no one talks about him being amongst the best in the world. And of course Lloris and Neuer have to improve - they are definitely not complete. You cannot be complete when you are so young but they have loads of time to improve.
They won't sign a £15m goalkeeper, they weren't really keen on the idea of spending mere £4m or summat on Schwarzer.
Thats probably cos Schwarzers 38
I've no idea. But maybe 'as good' was bad phrasing. More like very similar. Excellent shot stopper, but lacking in other departments.
I don't know. Wenger sometimes goes out on a limb for a youngster. Just good he isn't French.
Apparently they made a big offer for Reina in the summer.
According to who?
justarsenalnews (i think that was it), commenting on stuff said by Bob Wilson who I think is GK coach at Arsenal, or at least he was.
Read about it during the summer too, but can't remember where.
Of course! You have to stupid to spend around 4-5M for somebody who is 38 - a player who has one or maximum two years left in his career. And he is not even that good.
I'd still rather spend £4m and get the two years of service from a decent goalkeeper (not that Schwarzer is one but Wenger seemed to think so) than rely on clowns like Almunia and Fabianski. If Arsenal wantd to sign an expensive goalkeeper, they'd have done that ages ago when Lehmann left, I think Wenger trusts Fabianski and perhaps waits for Szczesny to develop into a proper player.
His kicking was awful and whenever I've watched him for Lyon he hasn't impressed me that much, he's young so I won't be too hard on him but he could easily be another Bartez waiting to happen and he doesn't deal with crosses very well from what I've seen.
De Gea seems a much safer bet even at his young age and just seems to have something about him that tells me he'd make it here, he's only young though and I'm just going on my gut from what I've seen so far. All it takes is one mistake to knock a keeper's confidence but De Gea doesn't seem the type to let it affect him much like Joe Hart.
Goalkeepers are tricky. You never quite know how they'll perform for us until they pull on that United shirt. 18 mil is a bit risky. As Amir pointed out, it can turn out to be a total waste of money if he doesn't make the cut, or the deal of the century if he makes the cut and spends his career here. 1 mil a year is loose change for a solid 1st choice goalkeeper.
Not to attack Lloris quality, I am sure he is a great goalkeeper based on his achievements at Lyon, nominated to UEFA goalie of the year and all that. However... He was CRAP this world cup, he was heavily linked so I watched him carefully. He seemed uncertain, and made several unnecessary feck ups, both in pressured and un-pressured situations. You cannot blame the defense for all of it, all of France were bad this world cup, nothing worked, not the goalie, not the defense, not the midfield and not the forwards. The main reason is because they were lead by a idiot that all of France wanted to get rid of years ago and has no respect by any of the players.
Bebe, Smalling, Hernandez.. I'm sure the money is there if SAF needed it.
Big money for young inexperience keeper is always a risk. Remember the Scoucers bought a young lad called Kirkland some years back. Where is he now?
Still playing in the Premier Leauge
Crazy how much people are talking about De Gea when he's only played 25 games so far.
Bloody lunatics
We spent £8m on Smalling after 18 games at Fulham!
Not to mention £7m on Bebe after....er, feck all matches.
Are you seriously taking that line of comparison? Whoever is the most talked about as the best in the world is actually the best in the world?
From scouts, watching games live, and there specifically to judge that player.
Not quite the same as a couple of lads half-watching a few Atletico games with a couple of beers and deciding he's worth £20m, or comparing them to another player they've seen even less of (Adler, Neuer etc.).
Exactly what I said, id prefer an experienced established keeper. Keepers with potential are so difficult to judge, especially foriegn keepers and how they adapt to the premier league.
But, if we had to go young Neuer all day.
Those of you talking about who would be cheaper; if the club deems a player to be worth a transfer fee of £x million, why do you care how much he costs?
Yes but people on here weren't fapping themselves raw claiming Bebe or Smalling to be the next best thing before we signed them. With De Gea, they are.
Personally I'd rather not replace Van Der Sar with De Gea. He's be too much of a risk imo and he should be left to develop a little at home in Spain.
I'd rather see Neuer or Adler.
I'd happily have De Gea or Neuer. I think it is easy to see why Fergie could be interested in either. Neuer poses many of the qualities Schmeichel did and De Gea is very similar in style to Edwin. Both aren't finished articles but they have alot of positives with a good scope to improve.
One thing for certain is that Fergie took Eric Steele with him to watch Valencia -v- Athletico, no doubt to get his opinion on De Gea and also he's been to see Lindegaard as well. Those two are most likely in my opinion.
Also if Akinfeev world class, so is Rob Green
One thing for certain is that Fergie took Eric Steele with him to watch Valencia -v- Athletico, no doubt to get his opinion on De Gea and also he's been to see Lindegaard as well. Those two are most likely in my opinion.
Also if Akinfeev world class, so is Rob Green
You want to pay for talent. Not for the amount of matches.
Do you work for Man Utd accountings? Or is the British media the gospel?
Indeed.
Although on the point of De Gea, if we do go for him, it's because United think he's worth a punt, which is good enough for me. They'll know a lot more about potential targets than muppets on here.
I'd be happy to see us go for either Neuer or De Gea. I'm not so keen on Lloris and Akinfeev.
Err the figures are in our accounts and Smalling cost £10 mill, by all accounts, including SAF's. I don't get why people constantly downplay the fees we pay for players.
was watching his recent match, made a few decent saves but that Lopez guy looked even better cuz A.Madrid were all over them.