That would be my first choice by a mile if we go for a younger keeper.
United Open Talks With De Gea ?
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That would be my first choice by a mile if we go for a younger keeper.
I want one of the two Germans. But I am not sure Neuer is a better choice than Adler. Adler was the first choice goalkeeper ahead of this world cup, unfortunatly he got injured. There are also rumors that Adler is a Manchester United fan, I am not sure that matters, but it is not a bad thing.
I just still have a feeling its going to be Akinfeev, isn't he on a free soon i.e. Jan?
How old is Buffon? Mid thirties? And he seems to spnd a lot of time out injured.
£18 million is a lot for a keeper but at 19, if he does the job he might be around for 15 or more seasons. That makes the price much more attractive.
Didn't look that good in the world cup for me. A bit shaky now and again, especially coming for the ball.
We could find the money if we needed, by flogging Kuszczak for £5m (we'd probably get that with ease) and Carrick for £10m (realistic too) but that'd leave even bigger gap in midfield, so I don't think that's going to happen. Unless we manage to buy him at much lower place, I cannot find any credibility in our interest.
No fecking way that chap is worse than Robert Green
But, but Football Manager says...
It's great to have smart people who always know how much each player costs. It saves us other normal folk a lot of pondering time if the transfer targets are worth it or not.
You Russian?
Do I sound russian? He's so overated its funny. So many flaws in his game aswell.
You can see De Gea in action Thursday against Rosenborg
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Sunday night at 9pm Spanish (8pm UK) at the Bernabeu against Real Madrid
I wonder if SAF will pop over for that one - now wouldn't that put the cat among the pigeons
or
Sunday night at 9pm Spanish (8pm UK) at the Bernabeu against Real Madrid
I wonder if SAF will pop over for that one - now wouldn't that put the cat among the pigeons
Well I can't hear your voice now can I and you describe a player playing in Russia like you've watched him a lot. Odds are you're more likely to be in Russia if you're watching Russian football.
You can see De Gea in action Thursday against Rosenborg
or
Sunday night at 9pm Spanish (8pm UK) at the Bernabeu against Real Madrid
I wonder if SAF will pop over for that one - now wouldn't that put the cat among the pigeons
He'll be there with the Steelman and reports will still say he's watching Benzema.
Just stumbled upon this. Though it was quite the funny coincidence
that was more a reference to a messy saturday night in Dublin!!! My opinions of Akinfeev are based on seeing live a couple of times plus what everyones seen on tv. As a shot stopper hes fantastic, genuinely talented in that regard, theres almost an arrogance from him when faced with one on ones. But thats it for him, the rest of his game is very weak in comparison. Command of his area, decision making, I can go on....
To be fare I would rather someone more experienced like a 'Reina'. The club might be too big for a young keeper.
My opinions of Akinfeev are based on seeing live a couple of times plus what everyones seen on tv. As a shot stopper hes fantastic, genuinely talented in that regard, theres almost an arrogance from him when faced with one on ones. But thats it for him, the rest of his game is very weak in comparison. Command of his area, decision making, I can go on....
It's just me but I try not to go to such harsh descriptions of a player I've seen little of. I mean comparing him to Robert Green. Now you're just being mean
But surely when we bought him, we didn't buy him thinking ''he'll make a good backup keeper, but he's not good enough to play week in week out''.
He must have been bought by SAF thinking he was good enough to be United's number one keeper at some stage.
Why? Plenty of keepers are bought solely as back ups. Brad jones, hilario, turn bull, cudicini to name but a few.
Ever since the Ireland-Russia game, Akinfeev has been getting a beating from the critics really. That's the worst I've ever seen him, I haven't seen him a great deal though, but I've see all of Neuer, Adler and Lloris have shockers like that, and even worse.
De Gea on the other hand, I simply haven't seen much of, just haven't watched much Atletico since he's been #1 really.
De Gea on the other hand, I simply haven't seen much of, just haven't watched much Atletico since he's been #1 really.
I want one of the two Germans. But I am not sure Neuer is a better choice than Adler. Adler was the first choice goalkeeper ahead of this world cup, unfortunatly he got injured. There are also rumors that Adler is a Manchester United fan, I am not sure that matters, but it is not a bad thing.
Someone posted this Adler comilation in another thread:
Not sure I'd want to pay for that.
Whoever suggested we fund the purchase of a new keeper by selling Kuz, who do you suggest we should sign for a back-up keeper or should we rely on Amos and the new keeper all season?
Personally, I think Kuz should be given the chance to prove himself as a candidate for first choice just as Foster was. I always thought he was better than Foster anyway and did well enough last winter (although he did not have the benefit of a solid defence in front of him at all times). His patience should be rewarded in my opinion. The only trouble would be that if VDS retires at the end of the season we'd need to sign someone else anyway, I suppose. Do we go for the best available (who, I have no real idea) or another value player who can be a deputy or rotate with Kuz? It's a potentially difficult situation as we don't want another Howard/Carroll saga.
Its because before then he was an overrated football manager legend. The Ireland match was the first real game people saw him in. Others who have watched him for years already knew how badly he fecks up especially on crosses.
His aerial ability is his main disadvantage. He's a brilliant shot stopper, but so is PIG. Akinfeev doesn't have what it takes to be our #1 keeper. Especially in England, where handling high balls and crosses in the box are something you have to be excellent at. His distribution at times is awful as well.
For the record, I'm not Russian, but I have watched him many, many times.
The way I see it is that when we buy a keeper when VDS calls it quits (which I'm certain we will) that will be Kuzcszak's chance to prove himself.
Eric Steele (a porn name if there ever was one) works with every single day (almost) and surely knows it best if Kutchie has what it takes.
That's why there are so few keepers to choose from. There are very few keepers who are any good at dealing with crossing. It mostly comes down to experience and reading of the game/flow of the ball. This aspect is also Casillas's weakness (if you can call it that) but he's certainly better at it then most despite his height.
The thing I worry about the most is how could will the keeper be on the ball when not allowed to pick it up. Cech for instance isn't very good at it but he can still kick it a long way, although not with his weaker foot. He's great at goal kicks though (his pass to Malouda in the 2nd goal against Blackburn).
Reina is even better than Cech at it. When takes a goal kick (what's the difference in words between a kick from a gk after he's caught it or when the ball goes out of bounds?) there's no one better. His precision is Scholes-esque at times.
I just wanted to point out that part and wondered if De Gea is good at this. The little I've seen of him he wasn't bad at least.
Scott Loach is pretty good in Fifa 11.
Though woeful for the Hornets on a monthly basis.
Though woeful for the Hornets on a monthly basis.
Goram, Van Del Gouw, Carroll....
Why? United thought their next goalkeeper might be Foster so we sent him on loan to learn his trade.
Big teams buying a "sub goalkeeper" often buy players on their way down - like Dudek at Real Madrid or choose players who are competent, but willing to sit on a bench. It's not normally a job for the ambitious or the sought after.
Goram was signed on an emergency loan when Barthez and VDG were injured.
Van Der Gouw was signed primarily as a backup as Schmeichel was only 33 years old and still at the top of his game and Coton had just left.
Carroll was a similar age to Kuszczak when he signed and deputised for Barthez. When Barthez left, he was given a chance to claim the spot, starting 34 games in the 2004/05 season.
Kuszczak joined us four years ago when VDS was 36 (thought by most to be coming to the end of his career), he's been an able backup so far and if history is anything to go by, as you suggest, Ferguson may not have signed him purely as a benchwarmer and may be willing to give him a proper run next season.
Howard was Barthez replacement. Carroll played as first teamer when Howard started playing shite. One can also mention Ricardo in that list, A keeper who was also brought as an understudy, despite not being old.
Anyway my point is that we do buy keepers to act as backup. Age is not important considering that we bought VDS at 35 yrs of age and he was considered as first teamer material from day 1. Not to forget that when everyone (including SAF) was wanking about how promising Foster was, Pig was considered to be his eternal understudy and 3rd in the pecking order (behind VDS and the Frosties guy).
Fergie may have signed Kuszczak as potential future number 1, but it doesn't mean he will have to give him a run with the team after Edwin retires in order to decide whether he can take his place or not.
18 million for a guy who potentially could occupy our goalkeeping spot for the next 20 years.
Yes please.
Yes please.
Or alternatively, a goalkeeper who does brilliantly and then wants to go home after 3 years.
He wouldn't though would he. He'd inevitably feck off to real or barca mid 20s.
Go home to what? Madrid have Casilas for a long time. Barca have Valdes for an equally long time. He would be ours to keep.
7-10 years of good enough service is a good return on 18m
I think the wisdom behind buying a De Gea is that Kuz could be given a run while De Gea would play without pressure coming slowly into the English game, or later, De Gea could be given more responsibility without the gamble being to wild with Kuz ready to step in.
The point in buying now would be that if we wait and se how he develops, he will become more expensive if indeed others does not pick him up in the meantime. Also his price is not likely to dip too heavily given his age.
Btw. That sliding tackle from a Karlsruhe player 46,5 m out must surely be the tackle of the decade.
Oh come on he is definitely not worth 18M. He maybe young and good but he is definitely not worth that much.
We will get the same service from Lloris or Neuer and we can get them a little cheaper.