United in this Summer transfer window

This will be a stupid thing to say probably, but I'm a little surprised we haven't heard much about our potential summer activity.

I know it's only June 1st, but we usually have a bit of an idea by now. For example this time last year we all pretty much knew Kagawa would join, 2 years ago on June 1st we all knew that De Gea would likely join.

It's still early, definitely, but it feels like it is moving slower than usual.
 
Calm down :lol: We've had bigger things to think about.
 
What if there's no summer activity and all we're going to do is promote some kids........
 
jakec said:
Calm down :lol: We've had bigger things to think about.
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True, but we do tend to try getting our business all done early, especially in the Summers without any major tournaments.

That said, I know there is 3 months left so I obviously don't care that much. I just thought we would know a little more by now.

My Fifa Man United team could do with a new player to liven it up a bit.
 
Dooooooooomm! Even middle rankers like Liverpool have been strengthening while United do nothing! Nothing!
 
I'm not saying that, I'm just saying I would have thought we would have heard something for now. It's not bothering me as such. I merely thought the media would have done better at unraveling the dirt I guess.
 
Gambit said:
What if there's no summer activity and all we're going to do is promote some kids........
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As long as no players left I'd be absolutely fine with that considering the age of most of the players already in the first team squad and the fact that they're only likely to get better with more experience.

Would love to see Powell, Lingard, Cole, Januzaj, Fabio and Keane given the chance to prove themselves in pre-season and the first couple of games of the season, if they look totally out of their depth we could always make a last ditch signing or two. The odds are that only one, two, or, even none of them will eventually become first team players here but we'll never know unless they play.

That's what I'd like to happen but I doubt it will. I'll just say that I doubt that's what I'd do if I'd actually just been appointed manger.
 
Out: Rooney, Nani, Anderson, Bebe, Scholes, Fletcher
In: Fellaini, Fabregas, Thiago, Zaha, Phil Neville
 
I think we will only get our transfers done fairly late, at least the biggest.

They usually take a while to negotiate and on top of that it will take a while for Moyes to settle in and finalize his opinions on which areas of the team need to be strengthened, even though it' fairly obvious.

Still I wouldn't expect any major deal to happen before July.
 
Well the Mitten article posted in the Twitter thread paints the picture of a club rather deserted and in disorder - in fact by the time you've finished reading it you're more in need of a razor blade than a box of tissues.

I'm sure the club will be working on deals in much the same way as normal, though I expect there won't be any announcements until Moyes is ready for the photos.

As for who the real targets actually are, I've no idea either. Thiago, Febragas, Ronaldo, Falcao, Bale - the links seem even more outlandish than usual. The most realistic seems Felliani, but even that seems lazy journalism.
 
I can't see us doing any business early doors to be honest. First thing Moyes will do is he will take a look at what he has available, and the great thing from a playing point of view when you have a new manager is that if you are out of favour, or if you weren't playing as regularly as you would have liked, you have an opportunity to prove yourself again. What's happened in the past doesn't matter now, and I think that there are certain players at the club who will be looking forward to a fresh start.

When you've won a trophy, what you need to do is kick on from that. When people talk about United, and especially when they talk about how the club have stayed at the top for so long, that's the answer. Look at Manchester City last season. They won the league, but simply didn't kick on. As soon as you win a trophy, you move onto the next one. It's that relentless streak that has put us in the position we are in, and why we have been where we are for so long.

Their are always areas that need strengthening, but Moyes needs time to assess what he's got before we even start to discuss transfers and players coming in.
 
I'm pretty sure we had a short list drawn up for this summer before SAF retired and I can't see Moyes straying from that too much. I think the Thiago links are true and it would be a huge coupe if we can get that done in the coming weeks.
 
So why did Fergie drop those "i might just go and buy a truly world class player this time around" comments shortly before he announced his retirement. he knew by then already that he was going, so just wumming?
 
Kevin said:
So why did Fergie drop those "i might just go and buy a truly world class player this time around" comments shortly before he announced his retirement. he knew by then already that he was going, so just wumming?
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If he is asked "Any chance Utd sign a big player this season?" the least controversial response is to say "Yes, it might happen" rather than rule it an impossibility.
 
Gazza said:
If he is asked "Any chance Utd sign a big player this season?" the least controversial response is to say "Yes, it might happen" rather than rule it an impossibility.
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He went on quite a ramble about it though, doesn't seem a typical nothing answer:

“Everything is in place for a big signing. I think that the Glazers have been great. Whenever I have asked, they have delivered. If I ask to go for a certain player, I think they will do that. When I spoke about value in the market a while back, I was talking about young, developing players.

“Maybe there has been a wind of change and I could go for a really top player now. We have a nucleus of young players here, but we may spend something. When it’s a top player, it doesn’t matter what position they play in. I will bring them in if they add to the team.”
 
Kevin said:
"When it’s a top player, it doesn’t matter what position they play in. I will bring them in if they add to the team.”
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Sounds like Fergie's way of saying 'I'm going to troll you all by really splashing out, but not on a central midfielder.'
 
Kevin said:
He went on quite a ramble about it though, doesn't seem a typical nothing answer:

“Everything is in place for a big signing. I think that the Glazers have been great. Whenever I have asked, they have delivered. If I ask to go for a certain player, I think they will do that. When I spoke about value in the market a while back, I was talking about young, developing players.

“Maybe there has been a wind of change and I could go for a really top player now. We have a nucleus of young players here, but we may spend something. When it’s a top player, it doesn’t matter what position they play in. I will bring them in if they add to the team.”
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Again, sounds like a standard, non-committal response. Wouldn't expect him to say much different to be honest.
 
Brightonian said:
Sounds like Fergie's way of saying 'I'm going to troll you all by really splashing out, but not on a central midfielder.'
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Yeah. When Fergie tells me it's pasta on the plate, I check under the sauce to make sure.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
Incorrect it opens 1st June. Here is a Guardian article to support that

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/may/29/club-buy-transfer-window-open-thread

Actually incorrect Guardian, it appears the window is 1st July from several other sources including:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-window-open-1904017
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"Although, in England, the transfer window formally opens on 1 July, transfers between clubs in the same association can take place as soon as the last competitive fixtures for the season have been played. However, many transfers will not be completed until 1 July because many players' contracts expire on 30 June."
 
Moyes don't officially start until July 1st either. The problem we have is that who ever we show an interest in city and Chelsea will come sniffing.

Already seen modric, Fellaini, bale, thiago, fabregas mentioned with the moneybags teams subsequently linked. Even Arsenal too.

Agree though would like to see Keane, Thorpe, Powell and Januzaj given a chance.

Our signings depend on who leaves
 
RedRonaldo said:
Out: Rooney, Nani, Anderson, Bebe, Scholes, Fletcher
In: Fellaini, Fabregas, Thiago, Zaha, Phil Neville
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That's my man. Change Fabregas and Neville against Bale and we have a winner. Neville can be third coach btw.

Rooney 35m (250k)
Nani 20m (90k)
Poor lovely Ando 13m (65k)
Bebe 4m (8k)

Fellaini 20m (70k)
Thiago 19m (125k)
Zaha 10m (40k))
Bale 60m (150k)

If we have approax 40m in our transfer kitty it's possible. Stop sending negativ posts and start to believe!! We need good energy to make this possible. :)
 
I think people are looking at this in the wrong way. The first thing David Moyes will do when he comes in is he will look at what he has, and what he's got to work with. It's a fresh start for everyone at the club and players will have an opportunity to prove themselves again. If there is a player available who we like the look of then we may sign him, but in terms of players going out, I don't think he will sell anyone just like that.

If a player hands in a transfer request then fair enough, but I honestly can't see us doing a great deal of business this season to be honest. Next season, when he has given everyone a season then he can start looking at that side of things, but I expect us to go into next season with pretty much the squad as we have at the minute.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
True, but we do tend to try getting our business all done early, especially in the Summers without any major tournaments.

That said, I know there is 3 months left so I obviously don't care that much. I just thought we would know a little more by now.

My Fifa Man United team could do with a new player to liven it up a bit.
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To be fair, we've made some pretty significant signings late in the window. The likes of Berbatov and Rooney were right at the end of the transfer window. The likes of Van Persie, Yorke, Tevez(although not technically a signing) were in mid to late August. And the likes of Ferdinand, Carrick and Veron were mid to late July. Not to mention other various lower profile signings. Some of our targets are likely to be at the European Under-21s and Confederations Cup.
 
I doubt that Rooney would cost 35m, and I sincerely doubt that he is on 250k. Bebe 4m, who are those lunatics? And no chance that we would be willing to pay 125k for Alcantara in his first contract.
 
Backrow Singer said:
If a player hands in a transfer request then fair enough, but I honestly can't see us doing a great deal of business this season to be honest. Next season, when he has given everyone a season then he can start looking at that side of things, but I expect us to go into next season with pretty much the squad as we have at the minute.
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There's not a lot wrong with what you've said. However, Nani's contract situation and our midfield issues could and when it comes to midfield SHOULD mean some changes, even if someone like Anderson gets another shot.
 
Revan said:
I doubt that Rooney would cost 35m, and I sincerely doubt that he is on 250k. Bebe 4m, who are those lunatics? And no chance that we would be willing to pay 125k for Alcantara in his first contract.
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Hmm stop being realistic. Bebe will bring gold to the club, to nice story to be ruined. If RVP cost 25m then Rooney should go for 35m. Regarding Bale it's just a wild guess, probably not for sale.
 
7even said:
That's my man. Change Fabregas and Neville against Bale and we have a winner. Neville can be third coach btw.

Rooney 35m (250k)
Nani 20m (90k)
Poor lovely Ando 13m (65k)
Bebe 4m (8k)

Fellaini 20m (70k)
Thiago 19m (125k)
Zaha 10m (40k))
Bale 60m (150k)

If we have approax 40m in our transfer kitty it's possible. Stop sending negativ posts and start to believe!! We need good energy to make this possible. :)
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You Dizzy!!:wenger:
 
7even said:
Hmm stop being realistic. Bebe will bring gold to the club, to nice story to be ruined. If RVP cost 25m then Rooney should go for 35m. Regarding Bale it's just a wild guess, probably not for sale.
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If the price is depended on how much more fat is Rooney than RVP, then yes.

Bebe would cost at least 120m. And the lucky club would get the redcafe poster with the same username included on the transfer deal.
 
Doing a football manager myself:

Out:
- Rooney (30m, 200k)
- Nani (15m, 90k)
- Anderson (8m, 60k)
- Scholes and Fletcher (I am assuming around 100k in wages)

In:
- Super Ape (60m, 150k)
- Alacanatararara (15m, 80k)
- Strootman who? (15m, 60k)
- Zaha (30-40k)

Net transfer - around 35m (without Zaha transfer included)
Difference in wages - around 100-150k less than we are paying.
 
Bale will be on 200k when he moves. He is one of the most coveted players around, so i don't see why he wouldn't be getting parity with other club's top earners.

Does anyone still think we can ask £30m for Rooney? I just can't see us getting that myself. Factor in the wages he will want, and at 27 he becomes a very costly acquisition for whoever wants to sign him. A monaco or PSG are the only ones i could see paying that sort of money.

Hopefully Anderson will come good now SAF is gone, maybe Nani too. I don't see many going myself and maybe one or two £20m type signings coming in, mainly because i don't see the gain from making your long term intentions a matter for discussion in the short term. AVB surely suffered from the start by adopting that approach.

Serious bids may make Moyes mind up on a couple he's not sure about, but i see him trying to consolidate our position and make what we already have work better, rather than taking the far riskier route of widespread change.
 
Revan said:
Doing a football manager myself:

Out:
- Rooney (30m, 200k)
- Nani (15m, 90k)
- Anderson (8m, 60k)
- Scholes and Fletcher (I am assuming around 100k in wages)

In:
- Super Ape (60m, 150k)
- Alacanatararara (15m, 80k)
- Strootman who? (15m, 60k)
- Zaha (30-40k)

Net transfer - around 35m (without Zaha transfer included)
Difference in wages - around 100-150k less than we are paying.
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Do want' I'd jizz a river :drool:
 
Player valuations change quickly on the Cafe. Not long ago, in a thread called 'What are our players worth?' iirc, I valued Rooney at £35m, and it was a low estimate. Most posters had him at £40m - £50m.

Now he's not worth £30m :eek:
 
Will Absolute said:
Player valuations change quickly on the Cafe. Not long ago, in a thread called 'What are our players worth?' iirc, I valued Rooney at £35m, and it was a low estimate. Most posters had him at £40m - £50m.

Now he's not worth £30m :eek:
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Player's valuations do fluctuate of course, usually based upon demand. Is Rooney as coveted as he once was? We will have to wait and see, but there doesn't seem to have been as much serious interest compared to the last time he wanted to leave.

2 years ago he was 25 and considered a youngish player. He is 27 now, out of form, out of favour and low on confidence. All i am suggesting is you don't usually pay top dollar for players in those circumstances. There will be some examples i suppose, but Torres being the prime example of why you don't pay £50m for someone based upon how good they used to be, as opposed to how good they are when you're actually buying them!

Imo Rooney should probably go. He is obviously not happy, and has lost his zest for the game. This is his second transfer request in the last few years, and he has not been anywhere near his best for a good while. If Moyes wants to keep him and Rooney wants to stay, then fine. But sometimes it's better to make a fresh start and get back to enjoying his football. The fans have barely forgiven him for his previous transfer saga, this latest installment is surely only going to compound those feelings further.
 
You may be right about his current value. Posters may not have taken sufficiently into account the difficulty of shifting a player on very high wages. Real Madrid could tell them something about that.

It'll be interesting to see what Rooney does go for. (If he goes.)
 
Will Absolute said:
You may be right about his current value. Posters may not have taken sufficiently into account the difficulty of shifting a player on very high wages. Real Madrid could tell them something about that.

It'll be interesting to see what Rooney does go for. (If he goes.)
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I get the feeling he will stay, even though i think it would be better for him to leave. I think he is after assurances that he is seriously wanted, and if he gets those i think he may stay.

however if someone like monaco decides they want to make another statement, then a £30m bid may prove enough to make Moyes mind up. I just don't think that will be that many suitors for Rooney to believe he holds many cards over Moyes. The decision will be his in my view whether Rooney stays or goes, but it's a big call so early on.
 
apotheosis said:
Bale will be on 200k when he moves. He is one of the most coveted players around, so i don't see why he wouldn't be getting parity with other club's top earners.

Does anyone still think we can ask £30m for Rooney? I just can't see us getting that myself. Factor in the wages he will want, and at 27 he becomes a very costly acquisition for whoever wants to sign him. A monaco or PSG are the only ones i could see paying that sort of money.

Hopefully Anderson will come good now SAF is gone, maybe Nani too. I don't see many going myself and maybe one or two £20m type signings coming in, mainly because i don't see the gain from making your long term intentions a matter for discussion in the short term. AVB surely suffered from the start by adopting that approach.

Serious bids may make Moyes mind up on a couple he's not sure about, but i see him trying to consolidate our position and make what we already have work better, rather than taking the far riskier route of widespread change.
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Someone on Talksport said Madrid were going to break the world record and bid 85m for Bale. I'm sorry but he's no Ronaldo. Also where would he play? Ronaldo takes the free-kicks etc. I think at this stage it would be a disaster for Bale. unless we solved that problem and got Ronaldo off them. :drool:
 
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