The Fellaini and Baines bids are both rumors and €36m is pretty spot on for a player like Herrera (it's basically the going rate for talented Spanish youngsters nowadays).
So far all our official bids have been below valuation of all the players.
United in this Summer transfer window
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The Fellaini and Baines bids are both rumors and €36m is pretty spot on for a player like Herrera (it's basically the going rate for talented Spanish youngsters nowadays).
So far all our official bids have been below valuation of all the players.
This Summer reminds me of when I bought my last car.
I thought I'd save a few quid by haggling, and travelling north and south to find a bargain. I must have pored over the Autotrader website for months too. I ended up spending a couple of hundred pounds on fuel then got so sick of it all I just paid around list price for a car someone was selling down the road.
I thought I'd save a few quid by haggling, and travelling north and south to find a bargain. I must have pored over the Autotrader website for months too. I ended up spending a couple of hundred pounds on fuel then got so sick of it all I just paid around list price for a car someone was selling down the road.
And on top of that you have Giggs, Powell, Fletcher, Jones... Am I right in saying Anderson's not even got off the bench in our first 2 games? Fergie wouldn't give him a run of games when we had no options or even when he was playing well, can only see yet another disappointing season if he's 5th choice this year (at best considering our fascination with Giggs being first choice for the rest of eternity).
I think we'd have planned to sell Anderson but we failed so dismally early in the summer it's no longer viable we'll get the number of players that we want and trim the squad before the deadline.
Our bids have been pathetic and it's no wonder we've signed nobody.
Spurs- £90 million spent, maybe £100 million if they sign Eriksen
City-£90 million
Chelsea-£65 million
Liverpool - £24 million
Us- £1 million
This summer has not been fun, it has to be said.
City-£90 million
Chelsea-£65 million
Liverpool - £24 million
Us- £1 million
This summer has not been fun, it has to be said.
Do you honestly think its the bids that is a problem??? I think thats just part of of it. What I cant understand is a few days ago we were thinking of Fellaini and Baines and today it is Herrera and De Rossi. WTF?? To me that is more of a problem than anything else.
I'd guess we were going to bid for Herrera anyway, he was our fallback if Cesc didn't come. De Rossi is probably an alternative to Fellaini if Everton are looking for too much. Baines is just someone Moyes wants, doesn't make much sense beyond that.
Are you hypothesizing that Woody has ADHD?
More like wtf is going on. We definitely have a plan on our targets as any other team. The sudden change in targets is confusing.Still, at least we'll have deadline day fun to look forward too. We're making bids all over the place so Christ knows what could happen.
If Fergie didn't know the term 'wtf'... he will now!
Rumoured Powell going out on loan, so might not have him. Fletcher, no where near yet, if ever poor lad.
They are all teams that seriously needed strengthen in certain areas. We won the league last season and all we really need is a midfielder or two. Which I'm sure we still have a chance of pulling off before the window shuts.
I'd argue that we need to strengthen our midfield just as much as City or Chelsea needed to strengthen. Whatever way you look at it, the only good thing about this summer so far is that it looks like Rooney and Nani won't leave the club.
Chelsea didn't buy a CM though, did they? City were a bit stronger than us in that area and they bought Fernadinho, who doesn't look anything special from what I've seen of him.
If reports are true about Nani's new contract and Rooney's appeasement, stopping both from leaving Manchester United is a great piece of transfer inactivity for which Moyes/Woodward deserve credit. Both players are game changers when on form and the presence in our squad signifies world class creative strength.
We should not forget this in the midst of the madness that is the final weekend of the transfer window.
We should not forget this in the midst of the madness that is the final weekend of the transfer window.
Would you have said the same about City's squad when they won? You do need strengthening in areas that have been faltering or are thin. You are right with the CM situation, but I do see us requiring a winger as we always have one or two injured each season, and Moyes may not be looking to play Zaha in big games this season. We didn't really need a striker last season, but we bought one anyway and it resulted in us winning the league by some distance.
do you think so? apparantly:
fellaini 24m
baines 15m
herrera 26m
fabregas 30m
would you change much with those prices and not feel ripped off? fabregas aside?
Fellaini £16m and Baines £12m more like, both undervalued, there's been no confirmation of a second bid.
i thought there had been of 38? i suspect it will come soon but we are not the first people in the world to begin negotiating with a lower price
The only price I'd up from us is Fabregas'......and quite significantly too. Maybe I'd go to £22m for Fellaini, but why £23m when no one else was willing to go to that when it was in place as a clause.
Yeah but I think you should be able to adjust. When there are 3 days left in the window you don't come around trying to knock €6m off the price of a player that the club don't want to sell, you just pay his release clause and try to convince the player to the move (Herrera case).
Same with Fellaini and Baines, offering Everton £28m for both with less than 10 days left in the window when they'd have virtually no time to replace both was also not particularly bright. If it had happened at the beginning of July I might have understood.
We have to realise that to get the players we want, we will have to overpay. It is the way the market is at the moment.
My worry would be that we are putting in bids knowing that they are bound to be rejected, leak the bids to appease the fans and then claim that there is no value in the market.
Take Fellaini for example. He had a buy out clause that we didn't take Everton up on. We bid lower. They refuse it. If we buy him, we will probably have to pay more than what his buyout clause was. That is incredibly stupid.
And now Herrara. I read that the bid was €30m and he has a buyout of €36m. 20% isnt really that much of an increase that it should stop us bidding if the player has been nominated as one who would improve the team.
My worry would be that we are putting in bids knowing that they are bound to be rejected, leak the bids to appease the fans and then claim that there is no value in the market.
Take Fellaini for example. He had a buy out clause that we didn't take Everton up on. We bid lower. They refuse it. If we buy him, we will probably have to pay more than what his buyout clause was. That is incredibly stupid.
And now Herrara. I read that the bid was €30m and he has a buyout of €36m. 20% isnt really that much of an increase that it should stop us bidding if the player has been nominated as one who would improve the team.
2007/2008 season United had Scholes, Carrick, Fletcher, Hargreaves and Anderson.
If the Fellaini and Herrera arrive, United will be back to the depth in numbers in midfield you need to challenge on all fronts. Obviously Anderson will be last in the pecking order, but he seems happy at the club and there is no chance he is going to the world cup, so I'm sure he'll accept his lot. He will get games in the early rounds of the cup competitions, dead rubber CL games and easy home games if Moyes wants to rest players, that's of course if he can remain fit.
Your talking about 6 million quid ffs, isn't that much?
Its okay saying just pay the inflated prices but unlike the oil clubs our resources have to be invested wisely. I still think we are hoping financial fair play will curb the prices so we're willing to wait if need be.
One thing is for certain we shouldn't over spend just to appease the fans.
Bale, Cavani, Falcao have fecked up the market
the exact same thing happened when Ronaldo went to Madrid - we were rumoured to be be buying Ribery for 65 million!??!
this summer you had two options
like Spurs or City you did your deals early
or you wait like us and pay the premium
at this stage of the game if we think the Bilbao midfield player is worth 31 million euro lets just pay a few more to secure his signature
anyone we buy at this stage of the window is going to be for an inflated fee
the exact same thing happened when Ronaldo went to Madrid - we were rumoured to be be buying Ribery for 65 million!??!
this summer you had two options
like Spurs or City you did your deals early
or you wait like us and pay the premium
at this stage of the game if we think the Bilbao midfield player is worth 31 million euro lets just pay a few more to secure his signature
anyone we buy at this stage of the window is going to be for an inflated fee
The total cost of Herrera could rise to 55m euro and not just 36m euros. Too much imo
He has every chance of playing ahead of Tom Cleverley, unless we are going to prioritise playing an academy graduate. For me, Cleverley hasn't really established himself as a better footballer than Anderson, who on his day can be very good himself. He had a good pre-season too, and have no idea why it seemingly isn't closer between him and Cleverley in terms of competition since the season started.
Cleverley was very impressive in our first two games - in the Chelsea game he was probably the best midfielder on the pitch - definately deserves to keep his place
That's not really the same as Anderson being 'last in the pecking order' though. Cleverley having a game good enough to warrant keeping his place isn't really him establishing himself as a better player than Anderson. He needs to take his game up a level for that. For me, Anderson at his best is still the better player.
who knows
Moyes is the one seeing them in training every day and I guess thats why he is selecting Tom ahead of him
for me our pecking order for starting a game is
Carrick>Cleverley>Anderson>Giggs>Jones
Giggs is more effective for me than Cleverley or Anderson from the bench
€6m is not a massive amount to a club who have already announced to the world that they have plenty of money to spend.
Nobody says you have to overspend to appease the fans. But we all know we need a midfielder. Moyes has said that he knows we need one. Now if Moyes has identified a player that he thinks we need in a position that we are short, then of course we should meet his release cause. Just because we value a player at 30m, it doesn't mean his team is required to do the same.
How early do you think SPURS Did their deals out of interest, bearing in mind they've wrapped 3 up today!
How early do you think SPURS Did their deals out of interest, bearing in mind they've wrapped 3 up today!
I think they had wrapped up Paulinho, Soldado and Chadli early on - the ease with which they have signed Lamela would suggest they had done some of the ground work as well
you wouldnt say they have paid over the odds would you
The Guardian and Sun reporting we want 3 midfielders before the window shuts.
I think it's needed. That area has been neglected for years.
I really doubt that Moyes will buy 3 all in one go! Im sure he has feelers out for 3 midfield players but only in the hope that 1 or maximum to come to fruition. If all 3 targets do become possible signings, he gets to choose.
No it isn't. Not ones that are first team ready anyway. We need one. 2 at the most. 3 is just silly.
From the get go Moyes said he wanted 2 in CM, so if he's talking to 3 that wouldn't be that odd.